I don't get why Zelda would SFF Tetris. everyone has played Tetris, there is no more overlap between people who play tetris and Zelda than there would be between people who play tetris and anything else.
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Yeah people are just looking for excuses, but THEY know that Pokemon is screwed next round.
Zelda and Tetris were released within two years of each other. Pokemon on the other hand has almost a 10 year gap between it and Tetris.

Granted Tetris is older than that but I'm referring to the most popular entries (the 1989 GB and NES releases).
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Zelda has a bit more "name-recognition" against Tetris than Pokemon does, so Tetris folds to it more easily since it loses more of its "default votes" for being so well-known and iconic. Kind of like how Pac-Man folds to anyone with name recognition.

But, yeah, still, this isn't good for Pokemon.
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Pokemon going back to being anti-voted?
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Eh, I have SMB3 > RBY and I'm still very worried about that match. I was expecting more high 80s from SMB3 today, though admittedly AoE is an unknown quantity.

But RBY can be stronger than SMB3 and still far from this site's #2 game.
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Pokemon going back to being anti-voted?


I don't think it ever wasn't to some degree, was just a lot worse in the early contests.
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Old-school SFF, this was seen often with Pac-Man where he would fold when he goes up against Mario or Luigi, but looks respectful against characters not from that time period (Kefka, Revolver Ocelot, Nathan Drake etc.) This stems from these types of games getting apathy votes, though less so for Tetris.
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Points 13/16
ctesjbuvf posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Pokemon going back to being anti-voted?


I don't think it ever wasn't to some degree, was just a lot worse in the early contests.


I was joking.
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I will say if SMB3 beats RBY that could be, what? The biggest casual bracket decimation of the board? Ever?
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it really sucks that Tetris drew R/B. imagine if it was in division 7, or in the SOTN fourpack, or facing Uncharted 2 today. anything could happen.
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If Tetris was in the SOTN fourpack I'd have it in the divisional finals instead of Trials and Tribulations and that's boring
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I will say if SMB3 beats RBY that could be, what? The biggest casual bracket decimation of the board? Ever?


Is it worse than something Luigi/Zero and the other things I'm forgetting?
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I will say if SMB3 beats RBY that could be, what? The biggest casual bracket decimation of the board? Ever?

Pokemon tends to get bracket support too. I'm not sure which one is the worst, but I know casuals out-beat the gurus by around 45% in Halo 3 > SMS, that alone would require SMB3 to have around 70% of the brackets.
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in the short term there have been bigger upsets, but if we have an entrant in the finals of our bracket that goes out in round 2? that would be big. it's like a reverse Master Chief.
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Mario 3 probably has 70% of the brackets. that game is video game royalty.
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I'm not so sure, Pokemon was the favourite to get first over Majora's Mask and about equal to finishing first against Metal Gear Solid in 2009.

I think it can break 25% bracket support (with ~5% going to Tetris/AoE2)
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Points 13/16
I'd be bowled over if Majora's Mask could manage 25% of the brackets against Mario 3 in this situation. Ditto MGS, even. It's freaking Super Mario Brothers 3, and that has weight most games can't even dream of.
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Metal Gear Solid 2 had 93% guru support but IIRC Shadow of the Colossus had more brackets sitewide.
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Because we Gurus are like 200 people while the brackets are above 10.000.
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BGE3: Today's Matches SMB3>AoEII, Pokemon RBYG>Tetris, Sonic 2>Portal 2, Unchated 2>TWD
Points 13/16
Also list of games that have beaten an older game:

Final Fantasy X
The Last of Us
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
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I think Tetris is a stronger game than people give it credit for. I'd pick it over a lot of games in the bracket. Everyone has played it, it has immense respect, it's endlessly replayable, and in today's age it has a lot of fans who like to just hop on for 10 minutes and play a Tetris game or two. It was basically ahead of its time and is a perfect mobile game. Maybe it's rekindled a lot of love over the years (Smartphone ownership was not that high in 2009).

I don't think Pokemon is necessarily showing less intrinsic strength here to take on elite games. Tetris is just that loved by a lot of voters. I mean hell, people hopped on the L-block bandwagon pretty quick, and not just because it was funny, but because Tetris is awesome and easy to support in any capacity.
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But all of those were not very far apart or not even remotely debatable at all.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
I think Tetris is a stronger game than people give it credit for. I'd pick it over a lot of games in the bracket. Everyone has played it, it has immense respect, it's endlessly replayable, and in today's age it has a lot of fans who like to just hop on for 10 minutes and play a Tetris game or two. It was basically ahead of its time and is a perfect mobile game. Maybe it's rekindled a lot of love over the years (Smartphone ownership was not that high in 2009).

I don't think Pokemon is necessarily showing less intrinsic strength here to take on elite games. Tetris is just that loved by a lot of voters. I mean hell, people hopped on the L-block bandwagon pretty quick, and not just because it was funny, but because Tetris is awesome and easy to support in any capacity.


you can't be more wrong
who would play Tetris on a phone yick
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Yeah, in general, I'm not feeling safe about anything regarding SMB3/Pokemon, but that's no different than before today. I think Tetris is a really bad way to judge the strength of any game. It's impossible trying to figure out exactly how that overlaps.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted...
I think Tetris is a stronger game than people give it credit for. I'd pick it over a lot of games in the bracket. Everyone has played it, it has immense respect, it's endlessly replayable, and in today's age it has a lot of fans who like to just hop on for 10 minutes and play a Tetris game or two. It was basically ahead of its time and is a perfect mobile game. Maybe it's rekindled a lot of love over the years (Smartphone ownership was not that high in 2009).

I don't think Pokemon is necessarily showing less intrinsic strength here to take on elite games. Tetris is just that loved by a lot of voters. I mean hell, people hopped on the L-block bandwagon pretty quick, and not just because it was funny, but because Tetris is awesome and easy to support in any capacity.


What do you have Tetris getting against AoE II? If SMB3 and RBY are pegged at the same strength rn it's about a doubling. Would you say Tetris does better than that?

If anyone else has their opinion on this I'd like to hear it.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Also list of games that have beaten an older game:

Final Fantasy X
The Last of Us
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow


I'll give you the first one, but the other five has much more to do with their opponents being weak more than anything else
spooky96 posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
I think Tetris is a stronger game than people give it credit for. I'd pick it over a lot of games in the bracket. Everyone has played it, it has immense respect, it's endlessly replayable, and in today's age it has a lot of fans who like to just hop on for 10 minutes and play a Tetris game or two. It was basically ahead of its time and is a perfect mobile game. Maybe it's rekindled a lot of love over the years (Smartphone ownership was not that high in 2009).

I don't think Pokemon is necessarily showing less intrinsic strength here to take on elite games. Tetris is just that loved by a lot of voters. I mean hell, people hopped on the L-block bandwagon pretty quick, and not just because it was funny, but because Tetris is awesome and easy to support in any capacity.


you can't be more wrong


oh wait i misread that, sorry lol, so dumb of me lmao
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Also list of games that have beaten an older game:

Final Fantasy X
The Last of Us
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow


I'll give you the first one, but the other five has much more to do with their opponents being weak more than anything else


I wasn't necessarily trying to make a point, just listing a statistic.

KOTOR and Mass Effect are also the only Western games that were able to defeat Japanese games.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
I think Tetris is a stronger game than people give it credit for. I'd pick it over a lot of games in the bracket. Everyone has played it, it has immense respect, it's endlessly replayable, and in today's age it has a lot of fans who like to just hop on for 10 minutes and play a Tetris game or two. It was basically ahead of its time and is a perfect mobile game. Maybe it's rekindled a lot of love over the years (Smartphone ownership was not that high in 2009).

I don't think Pokemon is necessarily showing less intrinsic strength here to take on elite games. Tetris is just that loved by a lot of voters. I mean hell, people hopped on the L-block bandwagon pretty quick, and not just because it was funny, but because Tetris is awesome and easy to support in any capacity.


What do you have Tetris getting against AoE II? If SMB3 and RBY are pegged at the same strength rn it's about a doubling. Would you say Tetris does better than that?

If anyone else has their opinion on this I'd like to hear it.


I think Tetris can do better than double AoE II.

I also think Tetris is getting SFFed to hell here which is why I think it looks so bad for RBY.
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Karma Hunter posted...
I also think Tetris is getting SFFed to hell here which is why I think it looks so bad for RBY.


But why would Tetris get SFF'd to hell? It has like nothing in common with RBY other than being released on the same platform, but what hasn't Tetris been released on the same platform as. Do people assume like everyone that has played and to at least some extent liked both games sided with Pokemon here? There might be some SFF, because Tetris has the possibility to share fanbases with everything, but no way it's very much. Just for the record, I'm not trying to defend Pokemon's chances against SMB3, that's another discussion, just think it's ridiculous to believe that match has much if any SFF.
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A match against something like AoE is where Tetris shines brightest. It would get a truckload of apathy votes in a situation like that - I can't see it only getting a doubling.
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Agreed, putting Tetris against AoE is probably not the right way to foresee SMB3/RBY. Tetris would look way too good there.
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Despite being released on the same platform, Tetris and Pokemon have North American release dates 10 years apart from each other. The people who played Tetris on the Game Boy as kids or teenagers would consider pokemon too kiddy by the time it came out.
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Also lucky ole' Fallout 3 got to ride off of New Vegas in GOTD and now off of Fallout 4 here.
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Well 3 and world will both have their round 2 on the same day. Will people be more inclined to vote for both cause its Mario. Or will the debate of 3 vs world get in the way and cause antivotes for either one. Which would obviously hurt 3 more.
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Too bad it wasn't released during SMW/FO3, imagine the chaos if the game pulled it off.

Maybe the game will keep some of the power for a few weeks.
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Sorozone posted...
Well 3 and world will both have their round 2 on the same day. Will people be more inclined to vote for both cause its Mario. Or will the debate of 3 vs world get in the way and cause antivotes for either one. Which would obviously hurt 3 more.


This is something I thought a lot about before the contest began. RBY>SMB3, Zelda: WW>FFVI, ME2>MGS3 are among some upsets that could benefit from that factor if it exists.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
Despite being released on the same platform, Tetris and Pokemon have North American release dates 10 years apart from each other. The people who played Tetris on the Game Boy as kids or teenagers would consider pokemon too kiddy by the time it came out.

Tetris was bundled with Game Boys for years after it came out. Pretty much anyone who played the first-gen Pokemon games at the time probably had Tetris.
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Well 3 and world will both have their round 2 on the same day. Will people be more inclined to vote for both cause its Mario. Or will the debate of 3 vs world get in the way and cause antivotes for either one. Which would obviously hurt 3 more.

Yeah we don't know the effect of same series in different matches will have. The first polls will be Skyrim/Morrowind and GTAV/San Andreas, but we probably won't know if there is a true effect until FFVI/FFVII in round 2.
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Xeybozn posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
Despite being released on the same platform, Tetris and Pokemon have North American release dates 10 years apart from each other. The people who played Tetris on the Game Boy as kids or teenagers would consider pokemon too kiddy by the time it came out.

Tetris was bundled with Game Boys for years after it came out. Pretty much anyone who played the first-gen Pokemon games at the time probably had Tetris.


But pretty much anyone who owned any console ever has played Tetris.
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It's not a doubling. If SMB3=RBY, Tetris gets like 75% on AoE2.

Which it still easily would, really.
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charmander6000 posted...
Yeah we don't know the effect of same series in different matches will have. The first polls will be Skyrim/Morrowind and GTAV/San Andreas, but we probably won't know if there is a true effect until FFVI/FFVII in round 2.


TTYD>FFVI let's do this.
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KamikazePotato posted...
It's not a doubling. If SMB3=RBY, Tetris gets like 75% on AoE2.

Which it still easily would, really.


How'd you calculate that? If I'm doing something wrong I'd like to know.
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To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB

In this case, "A" is SMB3 and RBY.

AoE2 vs. SMB3 = 16.18%
Tetris vs. RBY = 32.16%

16.18 / 32.16 * 50 = 25.16%
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