Someone posted a rally topic on the Mass Effect reddit page.

What is everyone's stance on these rally tactics?

Fair game or foul play?
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I'm sure there are people rallying for Mario too
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GranzonEx posted...
I'm sure there are people rallying for Mario too


haha, where?
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If anything, matches this close encourage rallies as it is where they can really make the differences (I'm talking about moderate sized rally, not LoL sized).
Planescape Torment is an excellent, cult classic, but putting it up against Smash Bros just isn't fair. I bet half the people voting don't even know what it is.
Soylent_Robot posted...
Planescape Torment is an excellent, cult classic, but putting it up against Smash Bros just isn't fair. I bet half the people voting don't even know what it is.


Those people voting wouldn't know what it is no matter who the opponent.

Also the match pic makes it look like the game is named "Torment" and looks like a screenshot from the movie Avatar, so that's gonna confuse people further.
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Soylent_Robot posted...
Planescape Torment is an excellent, cult classic, but putting it up against Smash Bros just isn't fair. I bet half the people voting don't even know what it is.


PC games in general aren't going to go anywhere in these matches. Doesn't help that Planescape hasn't even had a Steam release yet, so even casual PC gamers might be more hard-pressed to get it.

A lot of these smaller/indie games are essentially fodder nominated by their hardcore fanbases. Games like Undertale and Life is Strange are here only because of the heat of the moment; if we held this contest next year, they probably would have never made an appearance.
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Why is anyone assuming that Mario 3 will do better against Age of Empires II than Smash Wii U is doing against Planescape: Torment? Age of Empires II was actually a very popular game when it came out, while Torment (the game's actual name just FYI) is a cult classic at best. Only problem is Torment is an RPG which is this site's genre, but seeing how StarCraft is no weakling it's probably not right to count out RTSs. Speaking of which, it seems kinda dumb that StarCraft is a 7 seed while AoE2 is a 16 since most RTS fans heavily debate which is the superior game.

Of course, on THE LIST Torment was top 60 and AoE2 was nowhere to be seen.
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Super Mario Galaxy 2 by the hour:

1:00 | 53.61%
2:00 | 48.05%
3:00 | 50.74%
4:00 | 47.56%
5:00 | 49.64%
6:00 | 48.83%
7:00 | 48.16%
8:00 | 48.70%
9:00 | 49.61%
10:00 | 49.08%
11:00 | 50.56%
12:00 | 50.62%
13:00 | 49.87%

Based on the 2010 GOTY poll, Mass Effect wins with 50.15%.

We cross the noon hour into the afternoon, and SMG promptly drops an hour. ME is beginning to get a little bit of traction with the projection, perhaps demonstrating the decline of the power of the day vote since 2010.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Why is anyone assuming that Mario 3 will do better against Age of Empires II than Smash Wii U is doing against Planescape: Torment? Age of Empires II was actually a very popular game when it came out, while Torment (the game's actual name just FYI) is a cult classic at best. Only problem is Torment is an RPG which is this site's genre, but seeing how StarCraft is no weakling it's probably not right to count out RTSs. Speaking of which, it seems kinda dumb that StarCraft is a 7 seed while AoE2 is a 16 since most RTS fans heavily debate which is the superior game.

Of course, on THE LIST Torment was top 60 and AoE2 was nowhere to be seen.


In this context, it's less about the lesser game's strength and more about which dominant game is stronger. And Mario Bros. 3 is by far one of the strongest contestants in this contest, while Smash U has yet to have shown how strong is truly is. How well is does against the winner of the SMG2 vs. ME match will be a much better guage of strength.
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red sox 777 posted...
We cross the noon hour into the afternoon, and SMG promptly drops an hour. ME is beginning to get a little bit of traction with the projection, perhaps demonstrating the decline of the power of the day vote since 2010.


So are you saying the projection is going to be wrong because of the day vote decline? Or that it's right because of it?
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So are you saying the projection is going to be wrong because of the day vote decline? Or that it's right because of it?


The projection has been slowly moving towards Mass Effect as the day vote has happened and has not produced as large gains for SMG2 the 2010 poll predicted. The rest of the day had really muted trends even in 2010, so I think the projection should be pretty accurate by now. If it's off, I'd expect it to be ME's favor if anything.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Why is anyone assuming that Mario 3 will do better against Age of Empires II than Smash Wii U is doing against Planescape: Torment? Age of Empires II was actually a very popular game when it came out, while Torment (the game's actual name just FYI) is a cult classic at best. Only problem is Torment is an RPG which is this site's genre, but seeing how StarCraft is no weakling it's probably not right to count out RTSs. Speaking of which, it seems kinda dumb that StarCraft is a 7 seed while AoE2 is a 16 since most RTS fans heavily debate which is the superior game.

Of course, on THE LIST Torment was top 60 and AoE2 was nowhere to be seen.


I am thinking about taking AOE2 to cover in the betting topic.
MechanicalWall posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Why is anyone assuming that Mario 3 will do better against Age of Empires II than Smash Wii U is doing against Planescape: Torment? Age of Empires II was actually a very popular game when it came out, while Torment (the game's actual name just FYI) is a cult classic at best. Only problem is Torment is an RPG which is this site's genre, but seeing how StarCraft is no weakling it's probably not right to count out RTSs. Speaking of which, it seems kinda dumb that StarCraft is a 7 seed while AoE2 is a 16 since most RTS fans heavily debate which is the superior game.

Of course, on THE LIST Torment was top 60 and AoE2 was nowhere to be seen.


In this context, it's less about the lesser game's strength and more about which dominant game is stronger. And Mario Bros. 3 is by far one of the strongest contestants in this contest, while Smash U has yet to have shown how strong is truly is. How well is does against the winner of the SMG2 vs. ME match will be a much better guage of strength.


I dunno, I thought if Melee vs. Mario 3 was debatable than Mario 3 shouldn't be much stronger than Smash 4.

And I know that there was similar underestimation of Brawl during BGE2. Literally people picking it to lose to Mario Galaxy and Call of Duty in Round 2.
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I think one of the reasons behind disappearing trends is Europe and America's tastes on here converging. KH II/MGS4's US/UK differential was on par with KHII/RE4 (the strongest day game in its series), instead of something like KH/Vice City, where Vice City was doubling KH in the UK. As GameFAQS loses casual voters, we're left with a more hardcore base, which is probably more similar to the base in Europe (you have to be a little hardcore to go to a VG site based in a different country). Europe's percentage of the vote has also been going up gradually over the years, from around 15% at the end of last decade, to (most likely) just under 20% now.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Soylent_Robot posted...
Planescape Torment is an excellent, cult classic, but putting it up against Smash Bros just isn't fair. I bet half the people voting don't even know what it is.


PC games in general aren't going to go anywhere in these matches. Doesn't help that Planescape hasn't even had a Steam release yet, so even casual PC gamers might be more hard-pressed to get it.

A lot of these smaller/indie games are essentially fodder nominated by their hardcore fanbases. Games like Undertale and Life is Strange are here only because of the heat of the moment; if we held this contest next year, they probably would have never made an appearance.


Yeah this. I think if you replaced planscape with a game like Grim fandango it would do a hell of a lot better since it got a remaster recently.
This match is incredible. Fall asleep three hours ago with ME 26 points ahead, wake up and it's 27 points ahead.

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MechanicalWall posted...
Soylent_Robot posted...
Planescape Torment is an excellent, cult classic, but putting it up against Smash Bros just isn't fair. I bet half the people voting don't even know what it is.


PC games in general aren't going to go anywhere in these matches. Doesn't help that Planescape hasn't even had a Steam release yet, so even casual PC gamers might be more hard-pressed to get it.

A lot of these smaller/indie games are essentially fodder nominated by their hardcore fanbases. Games like Undertale and Life is Strange are here only because of the heat of the moment; if we held this contest next year, they probably would have never made an appearance.


I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible. A shame because I want to get around to it. I have fond memories of stuff like StarCraft and Half-Life 2, and I'm sure you guys could come up with a lot of suggestions.

Been thinking of getting Homeworld recently since I've been in a mood for an RTS, hoping that it's much better than Company of Heroes (which I do really like, it's just that I got into Civ4 soon after and just didn't feel like playing CoH ever again after that).
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible.


Not only that, but Planescape in particular is a WRPG that came before Bioware's casualization of the entire genre, meaning you have to bind control to like, 20 different keys before you get anywhere. That, and the huge amount of actual freedom in the role-playing aspect of it, makes the game seem more intimidating than it is.

Games like it, Baldur's Gate, or Ultima VII look impenetrable to gamers brought up on WRPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Skyrim.
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Mass Effect is starting to pull away.

Is this the end?
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MechanicalWall posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible.


Not only that, but Planescape in particular is a WRPG that came before Bioware's casualization of the entire genre, meaning you have to bind control to like, 20 different keys before you get anywhere. That, and the huge amount of actual freedom in the role-playing aspect of it, makes the game seem more intimidating than it is.

Games like it, Baldur's Gate, or Ultima VII look impenetrable to gamers brought up on WRPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Skyrim.


And? Games like ME and Skyrim are modern WRPG's that are great to play now. It's called evolution. If every game were like those ones WRPG's would have died long ago and become a niche genre. Also ME is a space shooter. It's just using technology to enhance the genre in ways that was impossible back then. Theres still plenty of depths to these games. Making things harder isn't better. I played Baldurs gate 2, great game but games have evolved.
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charmander6000 posted...
Mass Effect is starting to pull away.

Is this the end?


53 votes = the end apparently.
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MechanicalWall posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible.


Not only that, but Planescape in particular is a WRPG that came before Bioware's casualization of the entire genre, meaning you have to bind control to like, 20 different keys before you get anywhere. That, and the huge amount of actual freedom in the role-playing aspect of it, makes the game seem more intimidating than it is.

Games like it, Baldur's Gate, or Ultima VII look impenetrable to gamers brought up on WRPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Skyrim.


This and the fact that nobody cares about PC gaming pre steam sadly. But its mostly the fact that KotoR ruined WRPGs
Qwaar posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Mass Effect is starting to pull away.

Is this the end?


53 votes = the end apparently.


This kind of massive lead hasn't been seen in the last 5 hours !
Qwaar posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Mass Effect is starting to pull away.

Is this the end?


53 votes = the end apparently.


thats a big lead. not the end but if either game has a 100+ lead at this point it's game over.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
MechanicalWall posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible.


Not only that, but Planescape in particular is a WRPG that came before Bioware's casualization of the entire genre, meaning you have to bind control to like, 20 different keys before you get anywhere. That, and the huge amount of actual freedom in the role-playing aspect of it, makes the game seem more intimidating than it is.

Games like it, Baldur's Gate, or Ultima VII look impenetrable to gamers brought up on WRPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Skyrim.


And? Games like ME and Skyrim are modern WRPG's that are great to play now. It's called evolution. If every game were like those ones WRPG's would have died long ago and become a niche genre.


I'm just saying that people are much less likely to enjoy older WRPGs than new ones, which is why Planescape is doing so poorly. I'm not saying that one set of those games is inherently better.

Personally, though, I'd hardly call severly limiting the player's ability to actually role-play 'evolution'. More like an unfortunate evil that comes with improved graphics and engines; there isn't enough money in the budget or time in the day to make a game that lookes as good as Mass Effect have as many different playstyles and story consequences as Planescape.
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Most important factor in this match now is the USA (maybe + Canada). SMG2 is still leading in the USA but with less than 51%. I should have taken note of SMG2's USA percentage hours ago to see if there is some form of trend there.

If SMG 2's lead is trending lower in the USA this match is over.
Wasn't mass effect winning the morning vote in the US?
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Is Age of Empires really THAT weak? I know a bunch of people who played it and have fond memories of it. I haven't, but I played Age of Mythology and it's a similar thing. It's one of those games that can bring a lot of nostalgia imo.

Sure Mario 3 is a few levels above, but I could see it failing to break 80%.
whatisurnameplz posted...
Wasn't mass effect winning the morning vote in the US?

I know that ME had just barely taken the lead in the US at about the same time the first lead change happened. So like... 8 AM EST or so.

Left shortly after that though so I don't know what happened after.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Is Age of Empires really THAT weak? I know a bunch of people who played it and have fond memories of it. I haven't, but I played Age of Mythology and it's a similar thing. It's one of those games that can bring a lot of nostalgia imo.

Sure Mario 3 is a few levels above, but I could see it failing to break 80%.


I love age of empires 2, easily one of the best rts of all time. It's probably weaker than ratchet and clank though
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its a PC game that came out before steam. Its weak. Hell blizzard games suck in these contests aside of starcraft in 04
whatisurnameplz posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Is Age of Empires really THAT weak? I know a bunch of people who played it and have fond memories of it. I haven't, but I played Age of Mythology and it's a similar thing. It's one of those games that can bring a lot of nostalgia imo.

Sure Mario 3 is a few levels above, but I could see it failing to break 80%.


I love age of empires 2, easily one of the best rts of all time. It's probably weaker than ratchet and clank though


It annoys me that Homeworld didn't get in.
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MechanicalWall posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
MechanicalWall posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible.


Not only that, but Planescape in particular is a WRPG that came before Bioware's casualization of the entire genre, meaning you have to bind control to like, 20 different keys before you get anywhere. That, and the huge amount of actual freedom in the role-playing aspect of it, makes the game seem more intimidating than it is.

Games like it, Baldur's Gate, or Ultima VII look impenetrable to gamers brought up on WRPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Skyrim.


And? Games like ME and Skyrim are modern WRPG's that are great to play now. It's called evolution. If every game were like those ones WRPG's would have died long ago and become a niche genre.


I'm just saying that people are much less likely to enjoy older WRPGs than new ones, which is why Planescape is doing so poorly. I'm not saying that one set of those games is inherently better.

Personally, though, I'd hardly call severly limiting the player's ability to actually role-play 'evolution'. More like an unfortunate evil that comes with improved graphics and engines; there isn't enough money in the budget or time in the day to make a game that lookes as good as Mass Effect have as many different playstyles and story consequences as Planescape.


ME still has a lot of different playstyles. A lot of people don't even want that many choices either. You have to have balance things out. better tech means you can have a narrative with movie like cinematics.
Qwaar posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Is Age of Empires really THAT weak? I know a bunch of people who played it and have fond memories of it. I haven't, but I played Age of Mythology and it's a similar thing. It's one of those games that can bring a lot of nostalgia imo.

Sure Mario 3 is a few levels above, but I could see it failing to break 80%.


I love age of empires 2, easily one of the best rts of all time. It's probably weaker than ratchet and clank though


It annoys me that Homeworld didn't get in.


Really wanted to see it be the weakest game in the bracket, huh?
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
MechanicalWall posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
MechanicalWall posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I want to say it's sad, but PC gaming is in general just harder and less accessible.


Not only that, but Planescape in particular is a WRPG that came before Bioware's casualization of the entire genre, meaning you have to bind control to like, 20 different keys before you get anywhere. That, and the huge amount of actual freedom in the role-playing aspect of it, makes the game seem more intimidating than it is.

Games like it, Baldur's Gate, or Ultima VII look impenetrable to gamers brought up on WRPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Skyrim.


And? Games like ME and Skyrim are modern WRPG's that are great to play now. It's called evolution. If every game were like those ones WRPG's would have died long ago and become a niche genre.


I'm just saying that people are much less likely to enjoy older WRPGs than new ones, which is why Planescape is doing so poorly. I'm not saying that one set of those games is inherently better.

Personally, though, I'd hardly call severly limiting the player's ability to actually role-play 'evolution'. More like an unfortunate evil that comes with improved graphics and engines; there isn't enough money in the budget or time in the day to make a game that lookes as good as Mass Effect have as many different playstyles and story consequences as Planescape.


ME still has a lot of different playstyles. A lot of people don't even want that many choices either. You have to have balance things out. better tech means you can have a narrative with movie like cinematics.


ME's playstyles are still only variations on 'shoot the baddies', and the game is designed so that you're forced into fights no matter what. Meanwhile, Planescape not only lets you get around fights, but you can even talk your way out of them.

And personally speaking again, I'd much prefer a game that takes advantage of the fact that it's an interactive medium and allows for greater player agency than a game that has 'movie like cinematics'. That isn't to say I need or want every game to be all about player choice, of course, and most of the my favorite games don't involve much of that. My problem is that games like ME and Dragon Age still frame themselves as role-playing games, and go through the motions of role-playing games, but feature very little actual role-playing.
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JJH777 posted...
So who actually takes Journey over UYA? Chrono Trigger is looking good.


Sure, I would do it. Ratchet barely doubled Eddie Riggs and Journey is more relevant to gaming than Brutal Legend.
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red sox 777 posted...
Super Mario Galaxy 2 by the hour:

1:00 | 53.61%
2:00 | 48.05%
3:00 | 50.74%
4:00 | 47.56%
5:00 | 49.64%
6:00 | 48.83%
7:00 | 48.16%
8:00 | 48.70%
9:00 | 49.61%
10:00 | 49.08%
11:00 | 50.56%
12:00 | 50.62%
13:00 | 49.87%

Based on the 2010 GOTY poll, Mass Effect wins with 50.15%.

We cross the noon hour into the afternoon, and SMG promptly drops an hour. ME is beginning to get a little bit of traction with the projection, perhaps demonstrating the decline of the power of the day vote since 2010.


This is too random, there is no pattern whatsoever
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swirIdude posted...
JJH777 posted...
So who actually takes Journey over UYA? Chrono Trigger is looking good.


Sure, I would do it. Ratchet barely doubled Eddie Riggs and Journey is more relevant to gaming than Brutal Legend.


Thanks for reminding me that BL exists, I've been meaning to play it for some time.
It actually seems to be on par with the % / hour that were posted earlier from a match that featured ME2 and SMG(2). Anyone has them?
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You mean "gaining", not "cutting".

I dunno it's just one update.
swirIdude posted...
JJH777 posted...
So who actually takes Journey over UYA? Chrono Trigger is looking good.


Sure, I would do it. Ratchet barely doubled Eddie Riggs and Journey is more relevant to gaming than Brutal Legend.


It's crazy that Ratchet has a full-blown movie coming up soon, and yet doesn't seem to do very well on this site at all.
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Suck it, Wiimote
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UltimaterializerX posted...
THIS EXCHANGE IS OVER

Suck it, Wiimote


Why are you saying that when the gap just shrunk a little?
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