that's a wide held speculation on our part, yeah. League didn't get in the top 100 noms and has a poor user review score here. it seems fair to keep it out given that. Dota 2 didn't make the bracket either.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
The process of selecting which games would be in the bracket involved a combination of nominations, critic review scores, and GameFAQs user rating scores.

It was revealed that SMB made the Top 100 in nominations, but got cut from the bracket because of the other criteria. Since SMB did not have any critic reviews, I felt like Allen treated that as having an overall Metacritic score of 0.

Ah I see.

charmander6000 posted...
The criteria was designed to make things really hard for LoL to get in, whether he needed it in the end is debatable.

Looking at Brawl the extra criteria probably would have helped it into the bracket (Metacritic: 93, Users: 4.43) so it was probably due to a lack of nominations.

Yes I wondered about LoL specific criteria too.

Keeping one of the most played games out because of no Metacritic reviews seems so wrong. Older games will have much fewer reviews.
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And just as I say that Mario rips off a 23 vote cut!
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LoL didn't make top 100 nominations, so it might have been pointless with the criteria.
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galaxy making a move again. As the morning continues, expect this back and forth to turn into gradual growth for Mario. It should win this thing.
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I have woken up to a good result. Now I just need ME1 to survive and advance.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/954437-league-of-legends

this 3.76/5 is what Allen is likely looking at. that's lower than just about every game in the bracket. I think only Destiny and WOW are close.

Mario 1 and Zelda 1 were a good bit away from other games in the series which is why those missed. I don't think metacritic matters at all.
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Galaxy 2 is the better game and I have it in my bracket.

But man is it hard to root for the Nintendo option in these things.
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swirIdude posted...
I have woken up to a good result. Now I just need ME1 to survive and advance.


A good result would have been ME up by 500-1,000 votes at this point. The fact that it's dead even does not bode well as Mario is predicted to be stronger in the day vote. However, ME could still win this thing.
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Electoral College:

Mass Effect - 284
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - 254

I've been using 270towin.com. It does make it easier that there's a pretty high correlation between Mass Effect states and Republican states, and SMG2 states and Democratic states.
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pjbasis posted...
Galaxy 2 is the better game and I have it in my bracket.

But man is it hard to root for the Nintendo option in these things.


Mass Effect is comfortably the better game, but I need Galaxy for my bracket, due to the Minecraft community letting me down.
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Who the f*** cares about LoL, f*** em.

Looks like we're in for a long one here. Go Mass Effect, only don't because I picked SMG2
bah idk
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isn't the electoral college not the best indicator of popular vote? Remember Gore got more votes but Bush still won.
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I hope Allen at least realizes after seeing all these old games dominate that SMB1 would utterly destroy Halo.
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Yeah, people talked about SMB1/Halo as an interesting match pre-contest and SMB1 would absolutely destroy Halo.
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The EC has no bearing on the outcome of this match (since we already have more information about the popular vote), but it's just really cool trivia to have.
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SMB1 would be easily winning this match too
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red sox 777 posted...
I hope Allen at least realizes after seeing all these old games dominate that SMB1 would utterly destroy Halo.


I don't think Allen cares.

He could have the bracket with the actual top 128 strongest games but that would mean 15 zeldas, 12 final fantasies, 10 marios, all 4 smashes, 5 tales games, 6 pokemon games, etc

He's going for the option where we see more series being represented, and only the strongest games of each series. So it's more fun.

Heck, Final Fantasy has 8 games in the bracket and I think it's too much. We could easily cut that to 5.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
5 tales games,


ZeldaTPLink posted...
128 strongest games


what
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Ok I'm not sure of that one.

But I keep hearing about tales all the time so I can't believe Symphonia is the only strong one.
Symphonia is not strong.

But it is at least twice as strong as the next one.
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Yeah on Board 8

On Board 8 you'll also find lots of random Umineko or Fate/Stay Night talk in some places, but if you put a Touhou game in the contest, its gonna bomb.
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Fine.

Thinking about it, f***ing Link's Crossbow Training coud probably win some matches in this contest if we let that in.
Of so many strong games you could pick, you actually mentioned tales game. LOL
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I'm not that hardcore of a player in those contests, geez.
I was calling the match over for ME a few hours ago. I am always right!
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I think your general point about FF/Zelda/Mario overrepresentation is correct. I'm just a bit annoyed because in the last full games contest, Allen insisted on segregating the games by era, and his stated rationale was that he thought modern games would wreck old games. He gave SMB1/Halo as his example! I mean, that match would be a demolition, but in the other direction.....
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Heck, I wonder how strong the CDI Zeldas could be in this contest.
Mario 1 and Zelda 1 are fine casualties. I like how we got more diversity by limiting the FF/Zelda/Mario exposure. we'll be happy with it when we have a diverse group in the top 8-16 too. woulda been nice to have them and feed them to a major game or something, but not a huge loss. we have enough games from those series'.
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Mario 1 is not a fine casualty ugh. Take out one of the Galaxies.
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Holy s*** do we have a match?
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Yeah Allen for some reason thinks new games are so much stronger here and it's just wrong.

Anyway, people pulling the "we don't need more Mario" argument against SMB1 are just missing the point entirely. I'd happily replace Mario Kart 8 or something like that with it. Allen went on a lot about how these are 128 excellent games, the best 128 and SMB1 is just too iconic and well-selling to be excluded in a contest called Best Game Ever especially when it ahd the nominations. Not to mention it's stronger than many games in the bracket and a lot of the Mario games that are actually in.
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eh, very few people think Mario 1 is better than Galaxy 2. it would be stronger, yeah, but Galaxy 2 is like top 5 all-time on metacritic. it belongs, even if it's not universal like Mario 1.
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I guess I didn't pay close enough attention during the bracketmaking period, but I'm also surprised to learn that Brawl didn't make the bracket. I am sort of pleased about that, and also thinking that I made the right decision to nominate Chrono Trigger. If Brawl can miss the contest, strength isn't a guarantee of entry. It's good practice to nominate CT/Crono every contest, and maybe FFVII too (it only got a 2 seed?).
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pjbasis posted...
Mario 1 is not a fine casualty ugh. Take out one of the Galaxies.


I agree we don't need both Galaxies.
Just realized I have SMG over SM...

Oh boy.
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The f*** do us users care about metacritic's top 5.
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Mario 1 is sort of overrated imo.

I've been playing it the last few days and it's pretty fun, and also I respect it for how it defined the industry, but it's made completely obsolete by SMB3.
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So I looked on Metacritic, and SMB3 didn't have any reviews either.

Guess only games below a certain nomination rank needed critic reviews?

Maybe he used the GBA port score for SMB3, but SMB has a GBA port too.

pjbasis posted...
creativename posted...

How do we know it didn't make the top 100? Allen said this? What else do we know of the top 100?


Super Mario Bros. and Dragon's Dogma were among those that made it but are not in the contest. the Legend of Zelda probably too based on the fact that he said that and SMB1 were about in the 130s after adjusting for his criteria. So they barely missed the cut.

Someone else might remember more fun facts.

Missed this post, thanks for the info.

Wish topics Allen posts in would be auto archived and indexed somewhere.
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SwiftyDC posted...
Just realized I have SMG over SM...

Oh boy.


Seems correct. SM isn't your average strong game.
Am I the only one here who has never beaten the original SMB?

I got to world 8 when I was a kid and ragequit.

Now I got to it again and I'm having my ass handed out to me.

It might be even harder than Zelda 1, I think.
transience posted...
Allen kept those three out based on a formula. basically, user reviews and nominations.

that's what kept Mario 1, Zelda 1 and League out. Brawl I think got lost in the shuffle between the Melee crowd and the New Smash crowd. every Melee freak nominates Melee and every new Smash person nominates Smash 4. Brawl is just whatever.


People who love Melee are freaks? I will take that personally...or not because I know this is just a contest board!

I didn't nominate it because I played so much of the game when I was younger I'm sick of it (plus I'm not into fighting games and have been less big on Nintendo the past few years), but it's still one of my favorite games.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Am I the only one here who has never beaten the original SMB?

I got to world 8 when I was a kid and ragequit.

Now I got to it again and I'm having my ass handed out to me.

It might be even harder than Zelda 1, I think.


Never beaten it either (played it for a bit but I was horrible at 2D platformers back then), not particularly interested since I'm not much of a 2D platformer guy.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

It might be even harder than Zelda 1, I think.


Maybe I'm biased but I don't think so.

If you can hold onto a Fire Flower it's pretty cake. And after a few tries you memorize the levels. Wizzrobes are never easy.
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spooky96 posted...
SwiftyDC posted...
Just realized I have SMG over SM...

Oh boy.


Seems correct. SM isn't your average strong game.


If we assume SM = Metroid Prime then SM wins easily.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
spooky96 posted...
SwiftyDC posted...
Just realized I have SMG over SM...

Oh boy.


Seems correct. SM isn't your average strong game.


If we assume SM = Metroid Prime then SM wins easily.


We already know that assumptions like this don't work when it's Samus vs It's Friggin Mario.
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I beat SMB1 when I was 3 or someting. 2D platforming was what I started with.
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