the anti-voting we could see on both sides of FFVII/Halo could be funny.
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The only western games this site seems to care about are the ones i've never played
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The day vote for Kingdom Hearts II was nowhere to be found in its match against MGS4, which suggests it's fairly popular among the younger voters and has very little popularity with the older voters. Wind Waker on the other hand showed a better day vote and it even managed to gain a total of 0.74% after reaching its low point of 72.04% against Pokemon X/Y. I see Zelda as a series with less disparity in the game's popularity among different age groups, so it can actually show an actual day vote from the US voting in larger numbers to counter the European/Asian voters that result in Zelda's weak night vote.

I'm sure I'm missing the obvious, but why would lack of day trends indicate a young fanbase for KH, and the presence if trends a balanced fanbase for WW?
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The lack of day trends for KH results from not having those younger voters to give KH the famous day vote that it used to have years ago.

Over the past several years, the age polls have shown a clear and consistent decline in the number of younger people voting in the polls while the average age of our voters continues to increase at the same time. This is currently our most recent age poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5953-how-old-are-you

In every age poll we have gotten, I made an attempt to calculate a weighted average based on the final voting results.
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The lack of day trends for KH results from not having those younger voters to give KH the famous day vote that it used to have years ago.

Over the past several years, the age polls have shown a clear and consistent decline in the number of younger people voting in the polls while the average age of our voters continues to increase at the same time. This is currently our most recent age poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5953-how-old-are-you

In every age poll we have gotten, I made an attempt to calculate a weighted average based on the final voting results.


Hmm, I had no idea the average user on this site is in his 20s... in my eyes, that kinda lends a little more credibility to this whole thing... (like maybe the average GameFAQs user is old enough to recall the greatness of, oh I dunno, C:SOTN for instance).
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The lack of day trends for KH results from not having those younger voters to give KH the famous day vote that it used to have years ago.

Over the past several years, the age polls have shown a clear and consistent decline in the number of younger people voting in the polls while the average age of our voters continues to increase at the same time. This is currently our most recent age poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5953-how-old-are-you

In every age poll we have gotten, I made an attempt to calculate a weighted average based on the final voting results.

Oh, I misunderstand your "which suggests it's fairly popular among the younger voters and has very little popularity with the older voters."

I guess you meant those trends in older contests meant this *was* the case?

Yes, as the ASV voters got older they'd just vote throughout the day and the day vote would be balanced.

But what did you mean about Zelda's day vote indicating a balanced aged fanbase?
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That's some serious stalling for the SMG2/ME match. Wake up US!

For the record, Galaxy 2 > all three Mass Effect games > Galaxy 1 would be my ranking. All top games. Galaxy 2 is my favorite 3D platformer, so had to go with it.
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creativename posted...
I guess you meant those trends in older contests meant this *was* the case?

But what did you mean about Zelda's day vote indicating a balanced aged fanbase?


Correct, in the older contests, the younger voters made up a larger portion of the total votes being submitted during a match. We had a larger group of younger voters, which allowed for more pronounced ASV trends to be visible during a match.

On your second point there, Zelda is a much older series than KH (the first game was only released in 2002). I would think a lot of the older voters (now making up a large majority of our current voting group) got their start with Zelda when they were fairly young. The graphical style of KH and the game's characters seems to appeal more to younger people than older people anyways. KH is also not on the same level as Final Fantasy or Zelda when talking about which series are most popular on this site, so there aren't as many people who are fans of the series. This means less potential KH fans who would be willing to vote for it in a contest. KH also has far less nostalgia factor going for it, being a much newer series compared to Zelda.

Most of the trends that do exist today are the regional trends associated with certain continents/countries voting in larger numbers or smaller numbers based on the time of the day. If you had a game that is really big in the US, but weak in Europe, the game would have a bad night vote because Europe dominates the later part of the night vote when a lot of the US voters would be sleeping. Once those US voters wake up and slowly reduce Europe's total chunk of the incoming votes, that game would recover from its bad night vote. That's one way in which a game could then have a good day vote.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I have Galaxy 2 winning two matches and I could not be more happy if I was wrong. f*** both Galaxy games and everything they stand for. f*** the system they're on. f*** motion controls. f*** casual gaming. f*** everything Nintendo has done since the second Wind Waker was released and they learned they could half-ass it with gimmicks and have them sell.

And f*** the DS too while we're at it.

My generation > your generation. Mass Effect deserves to win this s***.


Whoa there! TTYD was after Wind Waker and it's the best!
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jonthomson posted...
minecraft losing? there goes the bracket


what do you expect? minecraft has a terrible story, horrid graphics, horrific music and a terribad player base.
When does the day vote start to kick in? Do we even seem to have a day vote this contest? Trends seem almost non existent.
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Day votes don't really kick in much on weekends.
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voltch posted...
Day votes don't really kick in much on weekends.


Well, the ASV never did and such, but there is still a time when most of the US is asleep. In a couple of hours, I expect Galaxy 2 to do a comeback. Mass Effect will probably take the lead soon.
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Lead change! Mass Effect up 2!
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shane15 posted...
The only western games this site seems to care about are the ones i've never played


you haven't played any of the good ones then.
ctesjbuvf posted...
voltch posted...
Day votes don't really kick in much on weekends.


Well, the ASV never did and such, but there is still a time when most of the US is asleep. In a couple of hours, I expect Galaxy 2 to do a comeback. Mass Effect will probably take the lead soon.


But Mass Effect is winning in the US.
I thought Mario Galaxy games were super popular?
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Lead change!


Super Mario Galaxy 2
49.99% 6993
Mass Effect
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TOTAL VOTES
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Well this is not what I wanted

C'mon morning votr
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just woke up, how long has this been 50/50? Mass Effect was cutting when I went to bed
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and now a tie
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
ctesjbuvf posted...
voltch posted...
Day votes don't really kick in much on weekends.


Well, the ASV never did and such, but there is still a time when most of the US is asleep. In a couple of hours, I expect Galaxy 2 to do a comeback. Mass Effect will probably take the lead soon.


But Mass Effect is winning in the US.


True, but Galaxy 2 has a solid lead in most of the rest of America and it's not by that much in the US. I think there might still be enough of a day vote to turn that around too.
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Safer_777 posted...
I thought Mario Galaxy games were super popular?


Not here. It's weird how relatively unpopular they are, despite how good they are. It's not like they're unknown either! Always been one of the strangest things about GameFAQs, given that other Mario games are among the strongest here.
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Whiskey_Nick posted...
just woke up, how long has this been 50/50? Mass Effect was cutting when I went to bed

It was a slow, agonizing cut/stall the entire night. Mass Effect finally took the lead on the update before this, and now it's gone to a tie.
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What do you think would happen if it was somehow tied after the very last update
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Safer_777 posted...
I thought Mario Galaxy games were super popular?


based on what exactly? They've all had average showings previously. Just about every wii game is poor these days. Brawl didn't even get nominated, niether did Skyward Sword, TP was on the GC. People don't give a s*** about the wii anymore.

I would say the galaxy games are a decent mid tier level. Higher than sunshine but way WAY below your SMB3, SMW and SM64

I wouldn't even take them to beat SMB1 tbh.

Always been one of the strangest things about GameFAQs, given that other Mario games are among the strongest here.

Not really strange. The Wii.

I agree Galaxy games were amazing but it doesn't resonate with the majority of people on this site.

Also it's not up against compete fodder is it. Mass Effect is a damn popular game. If this was ME2 then Galaxy 2 would be losing quite comfortably. The opposition has a effect and you can't really take games like ME lightly. they were hugely popular last gen.
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It's more like, Mario games from consoles people grew up playing that are popular.

I guess people were too old by the time the SMG games came around to dedicate en mass the time to play these newer mario games.
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I'm still not sure what you're saying about Zelda's trends Luster.

Are you saying that since the series wasn't as biased towards younger fans to become with, so as the site got older, the change in its trends was more muted? Or something else?

Nice to see an actual lead change. Will make the match more noteworthy.
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Let's all hope Mass Effect wins the day vote somehow!
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
based on what exactly? They've all had average showings previously. Just about every wii game is poor these days. Brawl didn't even get nominated, niether did Skyward Sword, TP was on the GC. People don't give a s*** about the wii anymore.


Well Skyward Sword was utter trash. I expect the wii games to be roughly the same they were last time, when the wii was at its best, expect for Brawl falling, but that has nothing to do with this.
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creativename posted...
Are you saying that since the series wasn't as biased towards younger fans to become with, so as the site got older, the change in its trends was more muted?


This is correct.


ctesjbuvf posted...
Well, the ASV never did and such, but there is still a time when most of the US is asleep. In a couple of hours, I expect Galaxy 2 to do a comeback. Mass Effect will probably take the lead soon.


In the past, there have been ASV trends on the weekend, but they do not start at the usual time you would expect them to start if the match actually took place on a weekday during the school year. What happens on a weekend is that the voters wake up a little bit later than usual, which means the morning vote also starts later than usual and merges in with the traditional ASV time period. The younger voters that would typically vote after getting home from school would instead vote in the morning when they wake up.
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...

Not really strange. The Wii.


This doesn't explain anything. Wii ownership was high here, and TP and Brawl were elite games for a long time.
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Did anyone ask Allen if Brawl didn't get enough nominations?

He personally kept SMB and LoZ out right? Are those the only games he kept out? What about LoL?

ZFS posted...
Safer_777 posted...
I thought Mario Galaxy games were super popular?


Not here. It's weird how relatively unpopular they are, despite how good they are. It's not like they're unknown either! Always been one of the strangest things about GameFAQs, given that other Mario games are among the strongest here.

ME is a very popular and acclaimed franchise as well. I think this match would be competitive on most neutral gaming websites.

HM, do you have sales data for these games? And maybe SMG and the other ME games for that matter.

Do we have playrate polls for these games?

ctesjbuvf posted...
What do you think would happen if it was somehow tied after the very last update

I believe Allen said the poll would be kept open for the next vote.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
In the past, there have been ASV trends on the weekend, but they do not start at the usual time you would expect them to start if the match actually took place on a weekday during the school year. What happens on a weekend is that the voters wake up a little bit later than usual, which means the morning vote also starts later than usual and merges in with the traditional ASV time period. The younger voters that would typically vote after getting home from school would instead vote in the morning when they wake up.


Yeah, I just refer to this as the morning/day vote instead of ASV.
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ME has this. It is winning in USA and UK.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
based on what exactly? They've all had average showings previously. Just about every wii game is poor these days. Brawl didn't even get nominated, niether did Skyward Sword, TP was on the GC. People don't give a s*** about the wii anymore.


Well Skyward Sword was utter trash. I expect the wii games to be roughly the same they were last time, when the wii was at its best, expect for Brawl falling, but that has nothing to do with this.


Brawl suffered from Sequel migration. As in SmashU just about made Brawl Obsolete hence why nominations for brawl were so bad. Smash NX will make Smash U Obsolete and so on. Melee is the only game that will have a longevity of core fans.

As for Skyward Sword. Its just not very popular compared to even mid tier Zelda games like TP and WW.
Ouch. Quite a gain from mario.
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Those updates are so random.
Usually it's a few votes swing than randomly ME or Galaxy gains 20 or so more votes.
ZFS posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...

Not really strange. The Wii.


This doesn't explain anything. Wii ownership was high here, and TP and Brawl were elite games for a long time.


TP was on Gamecube, and on Gfaqs that is significant enough to say it's not a wii only game in terms of it's pure strength. Especially since the cube version sold over a million and was originally a cube title.

The wii had high ownership yes but it's actual popularity decreased over time. Look at "system of the year" polls from 2006 to 2012. Wii was super popular from 06 to 09 but from 09-12 the amount of wii owners increased but people who cared for it decreased.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4277-which-nintendo-console-do-you-think-has-had-the-best-first
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Brawl suffered from Sequel migration. As in SmashU just about made Brawl Obsolete hence why nominations for brawl were so bad. Smash NX will make Smash U Obsolete and so on. Melee is the only game that will have a longevity of core fans.


Yeah, and that has nothing to do with people's general liking of the Wii as I said. Also, it depends on how the next Smash game is. Smash 4 made Brawl obsolete because gameplay is an upgrade and not a change. If they change things again, Smash U is sure to keep a fanbase.
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I guess Mass Effect taking that two vote lead woke up America.
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Should be a couple of bad hours for ME now.
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creativename posted...
Do we have playrate polls for these games?


We actually have a page on the Board 8 wiki that tracks the all-time highest playrate for numerous games:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Have_You_Played

It is often difficult to get a read on a game's playrate, as most playrate polls are generally reserved for the only the most popular games. In most cases, Allen will only run a playrate poll on an notable anniversary date for a game, such as SMB turning 30 years old.
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