creativename posted...
Even though I have R/B in the Finals, I still feel as if FF7 is the game that would get the highest %age in a direct 1v1 match vs. OoT.

Among people who *don't* have FF7 in the final, is there anyone who disagrees with that? Are there people who think others games could in "raw" terms be stronger than FF7 now?

Probably true unless there exists a game that could rSFF OoT. I don't think such a game exists though, given that the obvious possibilities of RBY and Melee got destroyed in this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx
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shane15 posted...
So does TLOS doubling Halo 3 give it any chance against KH2? In my head i had it down as a 55-60% win at best.


Not particularly. Halo 3 wasn't really any strong back in Game of the Decade, and since then the series has fallen even further off all the cliffs.
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Am I blind or is there no link to the GOTD stats on Ngamer's site?

http://thengamer.com/xstats/

Are these stats up anywhere?
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GotD X-Stats can be found on this page:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/X-Stats#Fall_2010
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LordoftheMorons posted...
creativename posted...
Even though I have R/B in the Finals, I still feel as if FF7 is the game that would get the highest %age in a direct 1v1 match vs. OoT.

Among people who *don't* have FF7 in the final, is there anyone who disagrees with that? Are there people who think others games could in "raw" terms be stronger than FF7 now?

Probably true unless there exists a game that could rSFF OoT. I don't think such a game exists though, given that the obvious possibilities of RBY and Melee got destroyed in this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx

Well, let's take away the SFF by indirectly estimating via a "neutral" game. Say put SM64 against RE4 or MGS or Skyrim, then put the latter against OoT. You'd get a reasonable reading of SM64 or R/B against OoT.

FF7 would probably be able to display it's real strength vs. one of those very strong neutral games, for that matter. Those aren't the Power Hour powerhouses that typically get rallied/bandwagoned.

Does anybody think FF7 wouldn't be #2?
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jeeze, I had forgotten how awful Halo was overnight. I wonder if the reverse starts to happen soon.

regarding FF7 - if you're talking 'natural' strength then probably, though I think RBY may have an argument there even in a match vs. OOT. but if you're talking pure percentage, any number of games could end up going high. if Chrono Trigger makes the final, for example, I could see there being a bit of a bandwagon there. and if a rallyable game gets there, the sky's the limit.
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LordoftheMorons posted...
creativename posted...
Even though I have R/B in the Finals, I still feel as if FF7 is the game that would get the highest %age in a direct 1v1 match vs. OoT.

Among people who *don't* have FF7 in the final, is there anyone who disagrees with that? Are there people who think others games could in "raw" terms be stronger than FF7 now?

Probably true unless there exists a game that could rSFF OoT. I don't think such a game exists though, given that the obvious possibilities of RBY and Melee got destroyed in this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx


That was still 5 years ago and pre pokesplosion
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True, but that's quite a deficit to make up.
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Godamn it I have MGS4 getting to round 3.

That's the result of having no idea how strong individual MGS games are.

Last ofUs is delivering a cool blowout, though.
Melee is still bleeding percent ? Joke trends confirmed !
Those matches are all looking much more reasonable now, with the exception of Last of Us. That is one hell of an impressive performance. Upset potential against KH2? Probably not, but I'd love to see it.
creativename posted...
Are those the same stats Leon etc. use?


Leon was using those stats to show that DQVIII was the likely winner, yeah.
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Worth noting that the GotD X-Stats also have MGS4 > KHII, BTW >_>
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But we all knew full well that MGS4 has been dropping like a rock.

Also I think Ulti said in his PCA that Melee bled like 6% against Call of Duty in GOTD, looks like it's doing something similar here against Portal. I can already imagine an epic CT/Melee matchup where CT uses the night vote to make a huge comeback. Although maybe trends don't work that way anymore, sadface.
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Well, it should. Europe and America still sleep at times.
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I'm starting to get worried that KH2 might be in danger next round. KH2 should be able to beat Last of Us, right? Though I have a tough time seeing KH2 doing 68% on a Halo game...
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So... were yesterday's votals considered good? Better or worse than 2013? Just curious.
2Dover3D posted...
I'm starting to get worried that KH2 might be in danger next round. KH2 should be able to beat Last of Us, right? Though I have a tough time seeing KH2 doing 68% on a Halo game...


Halo is probably quite weak nowadays.
But if KH2 keeps dropping and Last of Us stays stable or continues climbing, this will certaintly look possible.
2Dover3D posted...
I'm starting to get worried that KH2 might be in danger next round. KH2 should be able to beat Last of Us, right? Though I have a tough time seeing KH2 doing 68% on a Halo game...


KH2 got like 63% on Halo 2 in GOTD. The series is weaker now, and if KH dropped then MGS4 REALLY dropped, which admittedly isn't entirely out of the question.
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Averia posted...
2Dover3D posted...
I'm starting to get worried that KH2 might be in danger next round. KH2 should be able to beat Last of Us, right? Though I have a tough time seeing KH2 doing 68% on a Halo game...


Halo is probably quite weak nowadays.
But if KH2 keeps dropping and Last of Us stays stable or continues climbing, this will certaintly look possible.


Yep. TLOU is looking like a slight favorite
Well, KH>FF9 is looking impossible now. screwed that up.
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I don't think KH2 dropped too much, but the match will depend on how much Halo 3 has dropped. It would have to be significant, if Halo 3 = 2010 Halo 2 then TLoU is going to give Melee a run (personally I would take Halo 3 > Halo 2) I don't think Halo's match against Minecraft will tell us much unless it ends up losing without a rally.
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Well, KH>FF9 is looking impossible now. screwed that up.

Why? KH2 is looking pretty good, if anything after writing SW: KotOR/Xenogears I feel less confident in FF9>KH
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If Portal 2 does well against Sonic or win, would this show that Portal didn't weaken and so that Melee is doing pretty good ? Or can we imagine Portal dropped but Portal 2 didn't ?
Portal has recovered quite nicely overnight. Assuming Melee doesn't go too crazy during the day I would say Portal has weathered the storm well over the past 5 years.

Since we never knew Portal 2's strength it's difficult to say whether it has dropped or not. If you expect Portal 2 to be at around equal to Portal I would still give it a great chance against Sonic 2 (the game got 34% against Final Fantasy VI in 2009)
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BGE3: Today's Matches SSBM>Portal, Pokemon GSC>TWEWY, KHII>MGS4, TLoU>Halo 3
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Sucks to see how far Halo has fallen here :( especially since Halo 3 was by far the best game in the series.

Halo 5 is however quite good. If you liked the older Halo trilogy but didn't want to play 4, I highly recommend that you get Halo 5 at some point and give it a shot.

EDIT: and no Halo 4's story is not that important. You need to know 4-5 salient facts and that's about it. Halo 5 on the other hand is really setting up some great characters for Halo 6.
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The Last of Us performance is making me feel better about picking it against KHII. I think KHII will win it, but it should be an interesting match.
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I took TLOU to Round 3 as well. I had a feeling it would be stronger than many expected.

I think KHII should still be the favorite, but today's results definitely don't make me feel bad about my pick.

Portal recovered a ton of percentage overnight, damn. I do think Portal 2 will be stronger to some extent, so I feel okay about taking it to R3. Sonic 2 pulling the upset would be amazing, though, even if it would hurt my bracket. It's just a much better game.
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Last of Us is being set up for success here, facing a western shooter. it looks nice here but I think placing it up against a well-liked entry from a big series will expose it. hopefully it wins though because screw kingdom hearts.
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hey Leon, we always make a good tag team on this. let's make up some numbers for xstat purposes.

Melee - 53%
GSC - 47%

KH2 - 54%
LOU - 46%

Melee - 54%
KH2 - 46%

what's the division look like?
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Julian_Caesar posted...
Sucks to see how far Halo has fallen here :( especially since Halo 3 was by far the best game in the series.

Halo 5 is however quite good. If you liked the older Halo trilogy but didn't want to play 4, I highly recommend that you get Halo 5 at some point and give it a shot.

EDIT: and no Halo 4's story is not that important. You need to know 4-5 salient facts and that's about it. Halo 5 on the other hand is really setting up some great characters for Halo 6.


I liked the original trilogy AND Halo 4, but I haven't bought 5 yet due to lack of split screen. I will eventually though.
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_SJimW_ posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
Sucks to see how far Halo has fallen here :( especially since Halo 3 was by far the best game in the series.

Halo 5 is however quite good. If you liked the older Halo trilogy but didn't want to play 4, I highly recommend that you get Halo 5 at some point and give it a shot.

EDIT: and no Halo 4's story is not that important. You need to know 4-5 salient facts and that's about it. Halo 5 on the other hand is really setting up some great characters for Halo 6.


I liked the original trilogy AND Halo 4, but I haven't bought 5 yet due to lack of split screen. I will eventually though.


I find it hard to justify buying an Xbone, since Halo is the only exclusive that I have even a passing interest in playing.
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Wondering how much percentage Halo is going to bleed off of TLOU now that the Europe vote is over.
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Halo's doing pretty well in the South. That should help during the first part of the Day Vote at least.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
So... were yesterday's votals considered good? Better or worse than 2013? Just curious.


The 24 hour matches from the 2013 contest were averaging about 50000 votes, not counting the matches involving Draven. So the vote totals from yesterday (about 38000 votes) are a clear step below the 2013 contest.
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If you peg KHII and LoU at the same strength rn then Mgs4 beats Halo with 56.7% of the vote. MGS4, as much as it's lost strength, can definitely do better than that in a real match. So far it looks like KHII is beating LoU
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Oh yea, I guess raytan won.
Day Vote Watch for today's matches:

Melee seems to be showing some signs of trying to increase its percentage, but the overall trend is that it's not really doing much to increase its percentage. I guess the European voting block is still too large at this point for Melee to make any significant percentage gains. Maybe we'll see Melee gain more percentage later today when the Europeans go to sleep.

Pokemon GSC has managed to gain some percentage since reaching a low of 76.09% at 8:45 AM. It's actually looking better than Melee with this day vote and Pokemon doesn't have the best day vote out there.

Kingdom Hearts II is still losing percentage, but at a much slower rate compared to the night vote time period.

Halo 3 has gained some percentage since reaching a low of 31.80% at 8:15 AM. It also been the most consistent when it comes to gaining percentage.

My day vote rankings from best to worst - Halo 3 > Pokemon GSC > Melee > Kingdom Hearts II
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Portal might have a better day vote than MGS4 and Last of Us, which would explain why Melee has been at the same percentage. Do you have voting trends on Portal for GotD?
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Seems like Melee and KH2 have been slowly dropping while GSC and The Last of Us stay around the same.
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It's difficult to use GotD to look at Portal's trends because they were 12 hour matches. Portal had 4 matches in GotD - 2 night matches and 2 day matches. Portal showed a good night vote against Gears of War 2 and dropped off in the morning.

In BGE 2009, Portal showed itself to have a good night vote and morning vote in both of its matches. It performed worst during the day vote.
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That'll change later though. America waking up already helps Melee and KH2 a bit compared to the night, put Europa to sleep and they should gain.

I guess it's somewhat likely that the Ultimate Loser falls in this division (assuming 64 or RBY > FVII in the semis). If that ends up being MGS4, that'd be somewhat hillarious. Oot > RBY/64 > FFVII > CT/FFX > Melee > TLoU > KHII > MGS4 isn't that hard to imagine. It's possible, even if not the most likely.
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transcience posted...
hey Leon, we always make a good tag team on this. let's make up some numbers for xstat purposes.

Melee - 53%
GSC - 47%

KH2 - 54%
LOU - 46%

Melee - 54%
KH2 - 46%

what's the division look like?


Based on current percentages:

Super Smash Bros. Melee – 50.00%
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal – 47.00%
Kingdom Hearts II – 46.00%
The Last of Us – 42.32%
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots – 37.96%
Portal – 32.98%
Halo 3 – 27.18%
The World Ends With You – 22.27%
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Worth noting that the GotD X-Stats also have MGS4 > KHII, BTW >_>


Well, there are a couple of reasons to explain the disparity. The biggest one is that MGS4 has likely lost some strength since then.

The other is SotC getting a bandwagon from beating MGS2 and MGS4 and overperforming by an unknown amount on MGS3.
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In Rivalry Rumble and 2013 we saw two close GLaDOS vs. Old Square matches and her day vote was only marginally better.
...So yeah, Melee should gain from here!
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LeonhartFour posted...
Well, there are a couple of reasons to explain the disparity. The biggest one is that MGS4 has likely lost some strength since then.

The other is SotC getting a bandwagon from beating MGS2 and MGS4 and overperforming by an unknown amount on MGS3.


Sure, but this does show that your sarcastic "LOL X-STATS THEY'RE SO TERRIBLE GUYS" post in the Contest Analysis Crew topic after DQVIII won wasn't really warranted. Don't think anyone will argue that the X-Stats are ALWAYS wrong, but they're not exactly infallible either.
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KHII is starting to come around with the day vote over the past 30 minutes or so. Melee is still struggling quite a bit with getting its day vote going.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Sure, but this does show that your sarcastic "LOL X-STATS THEY'RE SO TERRIBLE GUYS" post in the Contest Analysis Crew topic after DQVIII won wasn't really warranted. Don't think anyone will argue that the X-Stats are ALWAYS wrong, but they're not exactly infallible either.


spoilers I picked P3

if I thought they were infallible I'd have picked DQ8

that was just a joke because Ulti always acts like the X-Stats are the scum of the earth and have no value whatsoever
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thanks. I'm having a hard time reconciling Last of Us over MGS4 but I might need to get used to it. much lower and I start to see things like Halo 3 = TWEWY and that's scary.
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