WarThaNemesis2 posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
MGS4 vs. Persona 4 over time:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3363-best-of-2008-game-of-the-year
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4444-whats-your-all-time-favorite-4-game
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5467-whats-your-all-time-favorite-4-game

Would anyone take a chance on Persona 4 winning that 1-on-1?


We've seen Persona 4 one-on-one. It barely beat a game that barely beat TWEWY.

Do you take TWEWY over MGS4?


No but you're assuming a constant Persona 4!

I wouldn't pick Persona 4 to win but it'd probably be closer than MGS4's match today.
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I'd say Melee still looks impressive today, though the ASV has yet to hit.

Or, considering the age of this site, AWV?
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ZFS posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
Galaxy 2 playrate
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3919-got-super-mario-galaxy-2

Mass Effect playrate
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4909-5-years-later-got-mass-effect

Galaxy 2 has a playrate of 35% tops, and Mass Effect 1 has a playrate range of 32.3-57.77%


This seems a little off. Way more people have played SMG2 now, years later, than did in its release day. Don't think this is a useful comparison.


You sure about that? It was released near the end of the wii's lifespan, back when nobody cared about the system anymore.

I know SMG2 beat mass effect 2 for game of the year on board 8, but the board as a whole is a Nintendo stronghold.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
ZFS posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
Galaxy 2 playrate
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3919-got-super-mario-galaxy-2

Mass Effect playrate
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4909-5-years-later-got-mass-effect

Galaxy 2 has a playrate of 35% tops, and Mass Effect 1 has a playrate range of 32.3-57.77%


This seems a little off. Way more people have played SMG2 now, years later, than did in its release day. Don't think this is a useful comparison.


You sure about that? It was released near the end of the wii's lifespan, back when nobody cared about the system anymore.

I know SMG2 beat mass effect 2 for game of the year on board 8, but the board as a whole is a Nintendo stronghold.


its playrate would still go up with time, also it got released on the Wii U eshop, and while the Wii U doesn't have a high ownership rate either, that can only help
whatisurnameplz posted...

You sure about that? It was released near the end of the wii's lifespan, back when nobody cared about the system anymore.

I know SMG2 beat mass effect 2 for game of the year on board 8, but the board as a whole is a Nintendo stronghold.


Given how SMG2 sold over time, I would say yes. Five years is a long time, and even if you had no interest at the time, you could certainly get around to it later, especially with its reception. I mean, even if you ignore that, it's still a release day poll. I don't think it matters too much today.
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Big Bob posted...
I'd say Melee still looks impressive today, though the ASV has yet to hit.

Or, considering the age of this site, AWV?


I think someone wrote a TL;DR about how a AWV would work.

I don't remember who it was, though, and I couldn't read it at the time.
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I mean, I was never arguing which has a higher play rate, just that using those polls is meaningless now! I don't think play rate is terribly important between a Mario game and one of the top 3 series of last gen, anyway. I think Mario will take it, but it's more for SMG2 being better received, ME1 not being as well received, and in my opinion, Mass Effect sort of disappearing after ME3. You never really hear people talk too much about it anymore, and I think that whole controversy with the ending soured people. Not as badly as MGS, but yeah.
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separately, I have this feeling Twilight Princess is going to do things this contest. i'm not sure about it being done in two rounds.
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TP gonna get that Mario 64 upset once TPHD announced.
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My fanboy is talking, but I think western RPGs are going to over perform compared to expectations. There are finally popular ones that aren't too new to have good penetration with the gamefaqs community.
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ZFS posted...
separately, I have this feeling Twilight Princess is going to do things this contest. i'm not sure about it being done in two rounds.


At their conference, Nintendo said they still had unannounced games to release in 2015. TPHD coming out on the day of its match with SM64 would be amusing.
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ZFS posted...
I mean, I was never arguing which has a higher play rate, just that using those polls is meaningless now! I don't think play rate is terribly important between a Mario game and one of the top 3 series of last gen, anyway. I think Mario will take it, but it's more for SMG2 being better received, ME1 not being as well received, and in my opinion, Mass Effect sort of disappearing after ME3. You never really hear people talk too much about it anymore, and I think that whole controversy with the ending soured people. Not as badly as MGS, but yeah.


I still think Mass Effect is relevant, or at least Mass Effect 2. We probably won't get a good read though until ME3 goes against Undertale.

Of course I also have Mass Effect 2 going all the way to the semi-finals, so I'm really hoping all the games get out of round 1.
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Samurai7 posted...
My fanboy is talking, but I think western RPGs are going to over perform compared to expectations. There are finally popular ones that aren't too new to have good penetration with the gamefaqs community.


I think Skyrim and Fallout 3 especially have a chance to cause some damage.

They really were console games as much as anything else and multiplat from the beginning and now enough time has passed that who hasn't played them.

Like Oblivion did well enough as a PC-first game so I think it's reasonable to expect both those games to boost
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Melee seems to be recovering a little bit of percent here

at any rate, are we talking all the higher seeds for the next set of matches?
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Galaxy 2's problem is that it came out after people soured on the Wii, which means fewer people probably played it than Galaxy 1, and Galaxy 1 isn't a world beater itself.

ZFS posted...
separately, I have this feeling Twilight Princess is going to do things this contest. i'm not sure about it being done in two rounds.


I tried saying this a little while ago and everyone laughed at me!
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Can't imagine TP doing anything to 64 even if an HD version is announced on the day of the match

Probably just me not liking TP though
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With the way its played SMG2 should have around the same strength as the original, but it's quite likely it'll be weaker.

However I feel Mass Effect was overrated in 2010 due acting like a Mass Effect 2 proxy.
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And ME2 rolled Galaxy 2 in GOTY, for whatever that's worth. ME2 will be stronger than ME1, of course, but I dunno if the strength difference will be too great.
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charmander6000 posted...
With the way its played SMG2 should have around the same strength as the original, but it's quite likely it'll be weaker.

However I feel Mass Effect was overrated in 2010 due acting like a Mass Effect 2 proxy.


I feel like Galaxy 1/Galaxy 2 will be like DKC1/DKC2. It makes no sense for DKC1 to be as much stronger than DKC2 as it (apparently) is, and yet!
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Sorozone posted...
TP gonna get that Mario 64 upset once TPHD announced.


Sure it will

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3503-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-lttp-ff3-ff7-s-mario-64

Mario 64 would stomp TP no matter how many remakes it gets.
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LeonhartFour posted...
And ME2 rolled Galaxy 2 in GOTY, for whatever that's worth. ME2 will be stronger than ME1, of course, but I dunno if the strength difference will be too great.


I think it is. ME2 will surprise a few people.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Sorozone posted...
TP gonna get that Mario 64 upset once TPHD announced.


Sure it will

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3503-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-lttp-ff3-ff7-s-mario-64

Mario 64 would stomp TP no matter how many remakes it gets.


All it took was for the polls to lose 90000 votes, and FFVI vs. FFVII might be a debated match!
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AxemRedRanger posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
MGS4 vs. Persona 4 over time:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3363-best-of-2008-game-of-the-year
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4444-whats-your-all-time-favorite-4-game
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5467-whats-your-all-time-favorite-4-game

Would anyone take a chance on Persona 4 winning that 1-on-1?


We've seen Persona 4 one-on-one. It barely beat a game that barely beat TWEWY.

Do you take TWEWY over MGS4?


No but you're assuming a constant Persona 4!

I wouldn't pick Persona 4 to win but it'd probably be closer than MGS4's match today.


I would. But it would be close. P4 would be strong these days.
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Sorozone posted...
TP gonna get that Mario 64 upset once TPHD announced.


Sure it will

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3503-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-lttp-ff3-ff7-s-mario-64

Mario 64 would stomp TP no matter how many remakes it gets.


Yup, 2 of those games from teh same console, sure it didn't effect them at all.
EmDubyaSee posted...
Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Sorozone posted...
TP gonna get that Mario 64 upset once TPHD announced.


Sure it will

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3503-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-lttp-ff3-ff7-s-mario-64

Mario 64 would stomp TP no matter how many remakes it gets.


Yup, 2 of those games from teh same console, sure it didn't effect them at all.


FF3 involves falling from great heights. Mario 64 lets you jump to great heights.

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CT/Melee would have had the most amazing trends a few years ago. I think a 3500 lead in 2008 would not have been safe. Nowadays, the ASV is going to be super muted though.
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so which MGS is considered the best in this contest? I thought 4 was well regarded but I guess not.
Either MGS1 or MGS3, depending on who you ask.
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anondum posted...
so which MGS is considered the best in this contest? I thought 4 was well regarded but I guess not.


2 is the best.
3 is regarded by the best by a very vocal portion
MGS is the strongest. (No, I'm not saying maybe the strongest, it is absolutely, the strongest, I have no idea why anyone is debating this match, MGS is going to roll over MGS 3)
I like how there is no margin for debate or room for error in anything MWC proclaims.
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ME2 is certainly more powerful than ME1 or ME3.

It's the only one with a chance to go far in this contest. And it's probably one of the most powerful Gen 7 games.

If it can beat MG3. Then it might also be able to beat MGS1. I feel MGS3 is stronger than MGS1 though I could see the MGS fans could rally MGS1 if MGS3 loses.
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LeonhartFour posted...
I like how there is no margin for debate or room for error in anything MWC proclaims.


There is nothing, that suggests MGS3 can beat MGS except fanboy hope....

The first games in the series are almost always stronger no matter the quality (Sonic for instance), MGS sold more and has a higher playrate, MGS3 hasn't really ever done anything that impressive. MGS won't blow it out unless there is some really really weird SFF, but MGS3 will not ever threaten it except the board vote.
EmDubyaSee posted...
The first games in the series are almost always stronger no matter the quality (Sonic for instance)


yeah talk about a ripoff not having FFI, Mario 1, and Zelda 1 in this contest considering they're the strongest games in their series
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LeonhartFour posted...
EmDubyaSee posted...
The first games in the series are almost always stronger no matter the quality (Sonic for instance)


yeah talk about a ripoff not having FFI, Mario 1, and Zelda 1 in this contest considering they're the strongest games in their series


No one told you what the word almost means, did they?
I mean I could go on but I'm just giving you the obvious contradictions.

(Sonic 1 being the strongest Sonic game is also wrong so even your example is LOL)
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I originally had TP beating Mario because it takes something special to beat Zelda 1v1, but then I realized if any game gets a contest title boost in this contest, it's Mario 64.
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EmDubyaSee posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
I like how there is no margin for debate or room for error in anything MWC proclaims.


There is nothing, that suggests MGS3 can beat MGS except fanboy hope....

The first games in the series are almost always stronger no matter the quality (Sonic for instance), MGS sold more and has a higher playrate, MGS3 hasn't really ever done anything that impressive. MGS won't blow it out unless there is some really really weird SFF, but MGS3 will not ever threaten it except the board vote.


FFI, Mario 1, Zelda 1, Smash 64, Paper Mario 64, Mega Man 1 and others are definitely powerhouses
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Mario, FF, and Zelda 1 aren't in this contest? Wow, that's disappointing. I was looking forward to Mario 1 demolishing Halo.
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red sox 777 posted...
Mario, FF, and Zelda 1 aren't in this contest? Wow, that's disappointing. I was looking forward to Mario 1 demolishing Halo.


Bacon said Mario 1 got enough noms, but the other "criteria" left it out.

keep that in mind when you're seeing two Phoenix Wright and two Zero Escape games get crushed
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Surprised to see such overwhelming bracket support for KH2 here. In the age of low votals and higher average user age, I can't see people supporting Mr. Clown Shoes over MGS4. Coupled with the fact that MGSV was so well received and popular, I feel like the board is going to be 0/2 in debated matches so far.


Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
abdou posted...
MGSV was very well received by the critics but there are a lot of MGS fans who didn't like it. It was way too 'different' both gameplay structure and story.


The moronic vocal minority does not factor into contest strength. The evidence of that is in today's Persona match.


Yeah just a moronic vocal minority... wow

It wasn't even that it was "different". It was 75% filler, random replays on hard mode, and an entire plotline cut out of the story. Someone takes off with a Metal Gear... ok the end.

....

Like damn the gameplay was amazing but just cut the filler and finish the real story and you'd have an amazing 15 hour game instead of a fluffy 100 hour mediocre one.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
I originally had TP beating Mario because it takes something special to beat Zelda 1v1, but then I realized if any game gets a contest title boost in this contest, it's Mario 64.


Mario 64 would beat TP regardless of boosts. It's just purely a stronger game based on past contest results. TP also got weaker.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4257-what-is-your-all-time-favorite-console-legend-of-zelda-game

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962-best-of-2012-game-of-the-generation-2006-2012

TP got weaker over the years. Pretty much a lot of modern Zelda games did. The fact that Skyward Sword wasn't even nominated suggests Zelda just isn't as strong overall these days as a series.

A lot of people who vote for games like OoT and LttP don't even care about Zelda anymore or even Nintendo.
DaruniaTheGoron posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Surprised to see such overwhelming bracket support for KH2 here. In the age of low votals and higher average user age, I can't see people supporting Mr. Clown Shoes over MGS4. Coupled with the fact that MGSV was so well received and popular, I feel like the board is going to be 0/2 in debated matches so far.


Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
abdou posted...
MGSV was very well received by the critics but there are a lot of MGS fans who didn't like it. It was way too 'different' both gameplay structure and story.


The moronic vocal minority does not factor into contest strength. The evidence of that is in today's Persona match.


Yeah just a moronic vocal minority... wow

It wasn't even that it was "different". It was 75% filler, random replays on hard mode, and an entire plotline cut out of the story. Someone takes off with a Metal Gear... ok the end.

....

Like damn the gameplay was amazing but just cut the filler and finish the real story and you'd have an amazing 15 hour game instead of a fluffy 100 hour mediocre one.


I've put over 140 hours on MGSV. Utterly brilliant game. I couldn't give a s*** about Movie gear Solid anymore. MGSV is what areal game should be. Hours and hours of actual pure gameplay but has the basics of MGS gameplay. It's brilliant.
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