UltimaterializerX posted...
P3 being favored makes perfect sense.


The second most popular game from an obscure JRPG franchise that only people that post on Board 8 have heard of beating the most popular game from a slightly less obscure JRPG franchise that plenty of people outside B8 have heard of makes literally 0 sense.

What was the argument for Persona besides "lollllllllllllll i likes my weeaboo gamez and won game of the forever on board 8 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneoneoneone"
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
P3 being favored makes perfect sense.


The second most popular game from an obscure JRPG franchise that only people that post on Board 8 have heard of beating the most popular game from a slightly less obscure JRPG franchise that plenty of people outside B8 have heard of makes literally 0 sense.

What was the argument for Persona besides "lollllllllllllll i likes my weeaboo gamez and won game of the forever on board 8 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneoneoneone"


The argument was the persona fan base would rally it to win given how vocal they are about the series. Plus nobody really cares about dragon quest on gamefaqs
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I figure Persona 4 is much more popular than 3.

It seems like what got the series more popular. More so than 3 anyway.
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Is DQ even that popular outside ?
Persona is far from famous but I have never heard of anyone talking about DQ.
Maybe you know it better as Dragon Warrior?
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Both 8 and 9 sold over a million outside of a Japan so it's not that obscure. Just when you compare it to its Japanese status it's not impressive.

Though anything that's not a new main series entry doesn't get any localization love nowadays. Whenever you see someone mention Dragon Quest in the past 3 years it's usually in the context of cursing Square-Enix for ignoring the series in the west
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I know its been discussed but I'm so glad the votals aren't entirely in the pits.
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Just a suggestion for the poll. It could be cool if there was some sort of link in the poll to the game's page on GameFAQs. That would be helpful for those like me that would like to maybe play some of these games or learn more about them. These contests have introduced me to new games before.

I know games have multiple pages based on console and I can search for myself, but some link would be cool and quick.
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I don't think anyone in the UK gives a flying f*** about Dragon Quest. You don't even see it cosplayed or mentioned at all over here.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
P3 being favored makes perfect sense.


The second most popular game from an obscure JRPG franchise that only people that post on Board 8 have heard of beating the most popular game from a slightly less obscure JRPG franchise that plenty of people outside B8 have heard of makes literally 0 sense.

What was the argument for Persona besides "lollllllllllllll i likes my weeaboo gamez and won game of the forever on board 8 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneoneoneone"


The argument was the persona fan base would rally it to win given how vocal they are about the series. Plus nobody really cares about dragon quest on gamefaqs


No, but with the AVF (Apathetic Voter Factor), with the multi-polls, people are voting in all 4 matches for the most part. The people that would normally avoid foderrific garbage matches (traditionally resulting in super low votals that day) are now voting anyways, and voting for the more recognizable of the 2 games. This is why Paper Mario is going to trounce Fails of Symphailia.
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I don't think anyone in the UK gives a flying f*** about Dragon Quest. You don't even see it cosplayed or mentioned at all over here.

Well GameFAQs UK disagrees, unless you are from Northern Ireland


I do wonder whether apathetic voters will side with Suikoden II or Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
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Can't we just admit that both Persona 3 and DQ8 have some strength on gameFAQs and that we just failed to predict the slight difference between the two?
Black Turtle I don't know what world you are living in where Dragon Quest is more popular than Persona but it absolutely is not the real one.
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charmander6000 posted...
I don't think anyone in the UK gives a flying f*** about Dragon Quest. You don't even see it cosplayed or mentioned at all over here.

Well GameFAQs UK disagrees, unless you are from Northern Ireland


Well we've already established this site seems to live in it's own world.It's like people that come to this site don't exist in the real world.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Wow.

Yeah I'm legit surprised Persona lost this one. I had DQ8 originally and changed. I guess Persona's fanbase is just a super vocal minority, I dunno.


...I made the same mistake as Ulti? What does this say about me?

I also had DQ8 originally, then I remembered how well P3 did on THE LIST and thought that I generally hear more about P3 (which is probably not true, thinking about it).

LOL me.
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ZFS posted...
I think it's tough to say anything about new vs. old just yet. Arkham City is not even a notable new game, it's one of those total game of the month kind of things. No lasting impact at all. Putting it up against a classic like MMX was a recipe for failure. Gotta see how other games hold up before saying anything definitive there.

I made my bracket based around old games doing better than newer ones, though. These popular new games just aren't typically in GameFAQs's wheelhouse, and with the vote totals being low and the average voter being in their mid-20s, I figured these older games like CT and MMX and Mario would thrive.

One of the upsets I thought a lot about but didn't take as MP > Skyrim. Don't think today says anything about that, but it'd be something if it happened!


I get the vibe that most of these acclaimed newer titles were basically like that on this site, save for a few exceptions like Skyrim or something like Dark Souls that has a hardcore fanbase.
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Black Turtle is mad for no reason

booo hooo weeaboos are vocal
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GranzonEx posted...
Black Turtle is mad for no reason

booo hooo weeaboos are vocal


Who said I'm mad? I'm just pointing out that contrary to Ulti's opinion, Persona was an embarassing pick for the board, on par with some of the classic Board 8 blunders.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
P3 being favored makes perfect sense.


The second most popular game from an obscure JRPG franchise that only people that post on Board 8 have heard of beating the most popular game from a slightly less obscure JRPG franchise that plenty of people outside B8 have heard of makes literally 0 sense.

What was the argument for Persona besides "lollllllllllllll i likes my weeaboo gamez and won game of the forever on board 8 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneoneoneone"


Persona has a wickedly devoted fanbase while DQ seems to be fractured and it's mostly grumbling over how Square-Enix seems to snub it over their Square-related properties pre-merger. It seemed like the safe bet at the time to go P3 but that's only because we had P4 to go-on and to argue the other side we had no idea what P3's standing was in that fanbase.

It was a toss-up in general if we toss in every factor into analysis and the only thing coming out of this is finally we get a metric for DQ in these contests.
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Thoughts on this match.

1. As Leon said, 2010 X-stats predicted this match to a tee, so...yeah. How about that.

2. Even if Persona 3 improved like we guessed it would, Dragon Quest 8 might have been under SFF from Chrono Cross last contest, and we never really considered that.

3. The format probably has something to do with it as well. DQ8/Persona 3 has as much votes as anything else...that doesn't seem quite normal. I think people are going to feel obligated to vote in all four matches even if they aren't inherently familiar with all the entrants - a.k.a., RIP obscure games without a strong brand name.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Just checked in for the first time since last night... have to admit I'm a little surprised DQ8 broke this open like it has. I thought (or perhaps was clinging to) the idea that Persona had kinda/sorta become more mainstream (relative to JRPGs) and would gain some strength during the day.

Guess not!
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I think we're forgetting (me included) that Dragon Quest VIII was pretty hyped back in the PS2-days, much much more so than Persona 3.

Plus Nintendo promoted the hell out of Dragon Quest IX, that has to have some factor.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Thoughts on this match.

1. As Leon said, 2010 X-stats predicted this match to a tee, so...yeah. How about that.

2. Even if Persona 3 improved like we guessed it would, Dragon Quest 8 might have been under SFF from Chrono Cross last contest, and we never really considered that.

3. The format probably has something to do with it as well. DQ8/Persona 3 has as much votes as anything else...that doesn't seem quite normal. I think people are going to feel obligated to vote in all four matches even if they aren't inherently familiar with all the entrants - a.k.a., RIP obscure games without a strong brand name.


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So does Monster Hunter win that "Vyse/Larharl"ish match with Suikoden II coming up, with the extra votes? It's probably the casual favorite.
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P3 > DQ8 was mostly on the basis of Persona being a more popular series than Dragon Quest on GameFAQs (which is probably true). I also expected P3 to get some overflow boost from P4's popularity increase, but that apparently didn't pan out.

too bad I'm not an X-Stats slave or I'd have the #1 Oracle locked up
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DQ8 is probably the bracket favorite because of "top option factor," so if people are just voting in every match for whatever the reason, that could help!
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Why the hell did I think Persona had this? I was even apprehensive when I picked it, I played DQVII when it came out, didn't know what Persona was untill three years ago. I think I let the internet trick me into thinking it was mainstream.
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LeonhartFour posted...
P3 > DQ8 was mostly on the basis of Persona being a more popular series than Dragon Quest on GameFAQs (which is probably true). I also expected P3 to get some overflow boost from P4's popularity increase, but that apparently didn't pan out.

too bad I'm not an X-Stats slave or I'd have the #1 Oracle locked up

Yep, made a guess that P3 would benefit from P4 and turned out to be wrong.

Honestly CT's 85%+ is more surprising to me than a P3 theory not panning out.
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MasterMoltar posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
P3 > DQ8 was mostly on the basis of Persona being a more popular series than Dragon Quest on GameFAQs (which is probably true). I also expected P3 to get some overflow boost from P4's popularity increase, but that apparently didn't pan out.

too bad I'm not an X-Stats slave or I'd have the #1 Oracle locked up

Yep, made a guess that P3 would benefit from P4 and turned out to be wrong.

Honestly CT's 85%+ is more surprising to me than a P3 theory not panning out.


Yea, I can't even remember the last time any game or character broke 85% on something. Also good to see that CT is finally destroying the idea that it's been getting irrelevant over the past 10 years.
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P3 losing this is BAD news for Oblivion, by the way. If P4 didn't boost P3, Skyrim won't boost Oblivion and Oblivion needed a boost to beat SMRPG.
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With my Persona 3 pick, it was honestly just a fanboy pick
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ExThaNemesis posted...
guys Chrono Trigger has zero chance of making it to the final. I know it's been a while but come on.

Also the low votals in this contest means that rallying in a close match can have an actual effect.


This may be true because RBY is a legit f***ing machine that will have annihilated the 3 top Mario games by then, but at this point in time, 100% it is winning it's division, and it might give FF VII a run.
So is this looking to be about the same level of votals as the last contest (not factoring rallies)?
whatisurnameplz posted...
MasterMoltar posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
P3 > DQ8 was mostly on the basis of Persona being a more popular series than Dragon Quest on GameFAQs (which is probably true). I also expected P3 to get some overflow boost from P4's popularity increase, but that apparently didn't pan out.

too bad I'm not an X-Stats slave or I'd have the #1 Oracle locked up

Yep, made a guess that P3 would benefit from P4 and turned out to be wrong.

Honestly CT's 85%+ is more surprising to me than a P3 theory not panning out.


Yea, I can't even remember the last time any game or character broke 85% on something. Also good to see that CT is finally destroying the idea that it's been getting irrelevant over the past 10 years.


I believe it was when Melee destroyed Guitar Hero II back in the Game of the Decade contests, though rhythm games are hated on GameFAQs.
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CasanovaZelos posted...
So is this looking to be about the same level of votals as the last contest (not factoring rallies)?


no, it's dropped pretty significantly since then, there was a comparison earlier between the first 50 minutes of the first match in 2013
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
P3 being favored makes perfect sense.


The second most popular game from an obscure JRPG franchise that only people that post on Board 8 have heard of beating the most popular game from a slightly less obscure JRPG franchise that plenty of people outside B8 have heard of makes literally 0 sense.

What was the argument for Persona besides "lollllllllllllll i likes my weeaboo gamez and won game of the forever on board 8 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneoneoneone"


The argument was the persona fan base would rally it to win given how vocal they are about the series. Plus nobody really cares about dragon quest on gamefaqs


No, but with the AVF (Apathetic Voter Factor), with the multi-polls, people are voting in all 4 matches for the most part. The people that would normally avoid foderrific garbage matches (traditionally resulting in super low votals that day) are now voting anyways, and voting for the more recognizable of the 2 games. This is why Paper Mario is going to trounce Fails of Symphailia.


Paper Mario beating Tales of Symphonia? Are you delusional or trolling? Paper Mario will get blown the f*** out!
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1337gamerpr0 posted...
CasanovaZelos posted...
So is this looking to be about the same level of votals as the last contest (not factoring rallies)?


no, it's dropped pretty significantly since then, there was a comparison earlier between the first 50 minutes of the first match in 2013


...but there's only a 200 vote difference with many hours to go...
CasanovaZelos posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
CasanovaZelos posted...
So is this looking to be about the same level of votals as the last contest (not factoring rallies)?


no, it's dropped pretty significantly since then, there was a comparison earlier between the first 50 minutes of the first match in 2013


...but there's only a 200 vote difference with many hours to go...

Matches in the last contest were 12 hour matches to begin with.
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CasanovaZelos posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
CasanovaZelos posted...
So is this looking to be about the same level of votals as the last contest (not factoring rallies)?


no, it's dropped pretty significantly since then, there was a comparison earlier between the first 50 minutes of the first match in 2013


...but there's only a 200 vote difference with many hours to go...


I don't think being 200 votes behind with 4 extra hours is a good sign
AxemRedRanger posted...
There were a couple 85% results in Rivalry Rumble.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4510-north-division-round-1-mario-vs-bowser-jim-vs-queen-slug-for
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4526-south-division-round-1-link-vs-ganondorf-arthas-vs-illidan


The fact that Chrono Trigger can hit percentages that only Link and Mario can is impressive.
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I completely forgot matches were 12 hours back then. Oops.
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%281%29Super_Smash_Bros._Melee_vs_%2816%29Guitar_Hero_II_2010

The GOTD X-stats have Up Your Arsenal getting 70% on Guitar Hero II.

CT could get out of its division!
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There doesn't seem to be much of an ASV today. CT is 0.01% higher than it was at 3:00.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%281%29Super_Smash_Bros._Melee_vs_%2816%29Guitar_Hero_II_2010

The GOTD X-stats have Up Your Arsenal getting 70% on Guitar Hero II.

CT could get out of its division!


God damn it, there is no "could" about it.

At this point in time, it WILL get out of its division.

It "could" slaughter it's division.

The only way Melee doesn't lose convincingly, is if it somehow boosted, which while not impossible, would be immensely illogical. CT won division 1 today.
This match makes me wonder how all the CT characters have bombed so badly over the years.
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Melee's time is past. It was THE modern Nintendo game for several years (like when a series consisting of SSB64, SSBM, and hype put up 38% on the entire Mario series), but that time is now over.
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EmDubyaSee posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%281%29Super_Smash_Bros._Melee_vs_%2816%29Guitar_Hero_II_2010

The GOTD X-stats have Up Your Arsenal getting 70% on Guitar Hero II.

CT could get out of its division!


God damn it, there is no "could" about it.

At this point in time, it WILL get out of its division.

It "could" slaughter it's division.

The only way Melee doesn't lose convincingly, is if it somehow boosted, which while not impossible, would be immensely illogical. CT won division 1 today.


That's a bit early to tell without seeing the next showings.
What if Melee crushes Portal down to 25 % ?
What if Pokemon gets more votes than this poll due to a rally ?
Averia posted...
EmDubyaSee posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/%281%29Super_Smash_Bros._Melee_vs_%2816%29Guitar_Hero_II_2010

The GOTD X-stats have Up Your Arsenal getting 70% on Guitar Hero II.

CT could get out of its division!


God damn it, there is no "could" about it.

At this point in time, it WILL get out of its division.

It "could" slaughter it's division.

The only way Melee doesn't lose convincingly, is if it somehow boosted, which while not impossible, would be immensely illogical. CT won division 1 today.


That's a bit early to tell without seeing the next showings.
What if Melee crushes Portal down to 25 % ?
What if Pokemon gets more votes than this poll due to a rally ?


Then Melee will have (illogicially) boosted, and we have a match again. As I just said. But short of Melee literally miracle getting stronger for no discernable reason, CT is going to beat it pretty solidly.
red sox 777 posted...
Melee's time is past. It was THE modern Nintendo game for several years (like when a series consisting of SSB64, SSBM, and hype put up 38% on the entire Mario series), but that time is now over.


And if that's true, as I believe it is, Chrono Trigger wins pretty easily.

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