Averia posted...
According to the gamefaqscontests site (about P3/DQ) :
2015-11-05 10:38:26 18632
2015-11-05 10:36:15 18630

1 vote per minute, that's kinda sad


No, that's the poll results page being a little glitchy at times. The large majority of the time, you will see the correct vote totals when refreshing the results page. In some rare instances, you will see incorrect vote totals for some reason other than the normal 5 minute update kicking in.
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red sox 777 posted...
Melee's time is past. It was THE modern Nintendo game for several years (like when a series consisting of SSB64, SSBM, and hype put up 38% on the entire Mario series), but that time is now over.


Not so sure about that. Melee is almost 15 years old and people still play it competitively. Also I bet Melee could get similar numbers against Ratchet & Clank here.
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I'd guess that the collapse of votals and continuing aging of the site has something to do with CT's resurgence. The "modern" generation of games from a few years ago, when these contests were last held, is no longer modern, and the current modern generation has little presence on Gamefaqs.

Since it's been so long since the last contest and even longer since a contest with relevant stats, stats should be less important than usual this contest so I will engage in more wild theorizing. Thus......

I'd guess Magus and Sephiroth have the same problem. They were really cool characters back in the 90s, but their appeal wore off the most as time passed, and people realized their character development was not really that great. Crono and Cloud are the best characters in their respective games, but initially Magus and Sephiroth kept up better with style disguised as character development. As time passed, people realized they aren't really as great characters as they'd thought, and the gap from them to Crono/Cloud grew.

Crono and Chrono Trigger have maintained respectable performances throughout the years. CT lost 51/49 to Mario 64, which was embarassing at the time, until Mario 64 ended up going 50/50 with A Link to the Past. Crono lost to Missingno, which was embarassing at the time, but then we watched multiple Pokemon wreck everything in their path, up to and including Squirtle beating Cloud. The only truly awful performances we've seen from CT have been from Magus.
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I've pointed out that Chrono Trigger's play rate on this site is actually better than it was in 2005 a few times. I doubt that was the case during the last few character contests.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
This match makes me wonder how all the CT characters have bombed so badly over the years.


People in this thread have the wrong conclusion. It's not that CT is so popular, it's just that sticking it up against a random Ratchet and Clank game is like putting a heavy weight champion of fighting against a scrawny 8 year old. It's not that CT is way more popular than normal this year, it's just that very few people are going to pick a Ratchet and Clank game over it. I picked CT in my bracket because I knew it would easily decimate R&C, and that was because I knew that R&C had very weak standing against it... Not because I think CT will actually get that far in this contest.

It's because CT is up against such an easy game to top that it's winning by so much, not because it's having an unprecedented surge of popularity for some random reason.

edit:

My personal bracket shows that I think CT will go on to beat DQviii, but will be stopped dead in its tracks when it hits Final Fantasy X.
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red sox 777 posted...
There doesn't seem to be much of an ASV today. CT is 0.01% higher than it was at 3:00.


The ASV is pretty much dead. Even though our vote totals have declined because a large majority of new visitors bypass the homepage from Google and never see the polls, this also affects our age demographics too. The same people visiting GameFAQs for the first time from Google and bypass the homepage would almost certainly include a lot of younger people not being represented in the age polls. As a result, the more recent age polls do not accurately show the age demographics of the average site visitor and the younger age demographics are very under-represented. The age polls are only accurate at showing the age demographics of the people who still vote in the polls on a regular basis.

With the lack of an ASV these days, the idea of an After Work Vote should be considered, as I talked about in the following 2 posts:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72765677/835767124
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72765677/835767928
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whatisurnameplz posted...
This match makes me wonder how all the CT characters have bombed so badly over the years.


This is simple really, Crono's strength has always fluctuated with votals. Votals go up, his strength goes down. Votals go down, his strength goes up. If we ever get another character battle, I fully expect Crono to be back in the upper echelon of the NN.
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gamer6879403333 posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
This match makes me wonder how all the CT characters have bombed so badly over the years.


People in this thread have the wrong conclusion. It's not that CT is so popular, it's just that sticking it up against a random Ratchet and Clank game is like putting a heavy weight champion of fighting against a scrawny 8 year old. It's not that CT is way more popular than normal this year, it's just that very few people are going to pick a Ratchet and Clank game over it. I picked CT in my bracket because I knew it would easily decimate R&C, and that was because I knew that R&C had very weak standing against it... Not because I think CT will actually get that far in this contest.

It's because CT is up against such an easy game to top that it's winning by so much, not because it's having an unprecedented surge of popularity for some random reason.

edit:

My personal bracket shows that I think CT will go on to beat DQviii, but will be stopped dead in its tracks when it hits Final Fantasy X.


Speaking of wrong conclusions......
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you guys are going really deep based on a blowout for ratchet and clank.
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red sox 777 posted...
I'd guess Magus and Sephiroth have the same problem. They were really cool characters back in the 90s, but their appeal wore off the most as time passed, and people realized their character development was not really that great.


I think it's more because people's tastes have changed.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
gamer6879403333 posted...
whatisurnameplz posted...
This match makes me wonder how all the CT characters have bombed so badly over the years.


People in this thread have the wrong conclusion. It's not that CT is so popular, it's just that sticking it up against a random Ratchet and Clank game is like putting a heavy weight champion of fighting against a scrawny 8 year old. It's not that CT is way more popular than normal this year, it's just that very few people are going to pick a Ratchet and Clank game over it. I picked CT in my bracket because I knew it would easily decimate R&C, and that was because I knew that R&C had very weak standing against it... Not because I think CT will actually get that far in this contest.

It's because CT is up against such an easy game to top that it's winning by so much, not because it's having an unprecedented surge of popularity for some random reason.

edit:

My personal bracket shows that I think CT will go on to beat DQviii, but will be stopped dead in its tracks when it hits Final Fantasy X.


Speaking of wrong conclusions......


We will see, won't we? I'd put actual money down on this bet. If CT goes up against a FF, it will lose. CT is one of my favorite RPGs ever and I don't even like FF much, but I know how strong and rabid the FF fanbase is when it comes to voting for FF games whenever a poll comes up. FF doing extremely well is just a rule when it comes to these kinds of polls, and thinking otherwise will screw your bracket up badly.

Or do you think CT will lose to DQviii and that will be the one going up against FFX?
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If you have not put in a prediction for the total number of brackets submitted for this contest, you should make a prediction in this topic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72766238
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After Cloud lost to Squirtle I take any "FF always wins" rethoric with a grain of salt
Poor poor Final Fantasy. It's been 11 years since it last won a real contest, and people still think it always wins. It is Legend of Zelda that always wins!
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
After Cloud lost to Squirtle I take any "FF always wins" rethoric with a grain of salt


That was due to humor and trolling. Enough people thought it would be funny to pick a Pokemon character over a Square character, like the time a f***ing Tetris Block won a best character poll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2925-tournament-final-link-cloud-l-block-snake

I guess people trying to be funny could ruin it this year, but that's about the only way a FF won't make it into the finals and even the ones that don't will still go far.
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gamer6879403333 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
After Cloud lost to Squirtle I take any "FF always wins" rethoric with a grain of salt


That was due to humor and trolling. Enough people thought it would be funny to pick a Pokemon character over a Square character, like the time a f***ing Tetris Block won a best character poll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2925-tournament-final-link-cloud-l-block-snake


Question, who are you and what makes you an expert?
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gamer6879403333 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
After Cloud lost to Squirtle I take any "FF always wins" rethoric with a grain of salt


That was due to humor and trolling. Enough people thought it would be funny to pick a Pokemon character over a Square character, like the time a f***ing Tetris Block won a best character poll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2925-tournament-final-link-cloud-l-block-snake

It's really amazing how that bandwagon managed to get Link ahead of Cloud even with L-Block getting so much support. What an upset that was!
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red sox 777 posted...
Poor poor Final Fantasy. It's been 11 years since it last won a real contest, and people still think it always wins. It is Legend of Zelda that always wins!


Oh? I didn't say FF would win, just that it will go far like it always does. I looked through past polls, whenever it came down to Zelda versus FF... Zelda won. For at least the last several years. We all know that FFvii versus Zelda OoT will be the final round, and the smart bet is definitely on Zelda winning (as usual).
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red sox 777 posted...
Poor poor Final Fantasy. It's been 11 years since it last won a real contest, and people still think it always wins. It is Legend of Zelda that always wins!


I personally am f***ing sick of Final Fantasy winning all the time. Give Zelda a chance for once, GameFAQs!
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Humor eh? At this point it's like a mob tying up Cloud and ransacking the ruins of his manor searching for the gold that Link already took years ago, and hysterically kicking Cloud when they can't find the gold. While Link sits outside in a carriage made of diamond sipping expensive wine. Oh yeah, and the mob has done this same exact thing every year. Right after they celebrate a holiday to commemorate the time when Link defeated Cloud and seized all his wealth and power.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
gamer6879403333 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
After Cloud lost to Squirtle I take any "FF always wins" rethoric with a grain of salt


That was due to humor and trolling. Enough people thought it would be funny to pick a Pokemon character over a Square character, like the time a f***ing Tetris Block won a best character poll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2925-tournament-final-link-cloud-l-block-snake


Question, who are you and what makes you an expert?


Who am I? Nobody, just someone who has been here since 2005 and has been taking part in just about every poll this site has done in that time (meaning I got a good idea of how polls usually go on this site). I also researched past polls and Best Game Ever contests and used that research when I made my bracket, meaning I did more than just guess. I got a good ear to the ground here, I want to win more than most on this site. I'm dirt poor and even buying a Wii U is difficult for me right now, so I am in this to win no matter what. To that end, I put a fair amount of work and effort into how I set my bracket up. The rules didn't say you'd be disqualified for using past polls and contests to plan your bracket out, so I made full use of this site's archives.

Still, I'm not perfect. I've already messed up, I really thought a Batman Arkham game would beat a Megaman game... Which didn't go in my favor.
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More seriously, Chrono Trigger has never lost to a Final Fantasy game other than VII, and no Chrono Trigger character has ever lost to a Final Fantasy character except from VII. If you look at the finals, no FF character or game other than from VII has ever seriously challenged for the title. That doesn't mean CT will beat X necessarily, but there's no magic to the FF series as a whole here.
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To address something from last page, I'm honestly convinced that the original idea that Chrono Trigger was declining was I'll conceived. It doesn't have any real disappointing results nor do it's characters.
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Knuckles > Magus?
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gamer6879403333 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
After Cloud lost to Squirtle I take any "FF always wins" rethoric with a grain of salt


That was due to humor and trolling. Enough people thought it would be funny to pick a Pokemon character over a Square character, like the time a f***ing Tetris Block won a best character poll.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2925-tournament-final-link-cloud-l-block-snake

I guess people trying to be funny could ruin it this year, but that's about the only way a FF won't make it into the finals and even the ones that don't will still go far.


Having been there, this was about right. Trolling plus a boosted Pokemon popularity here. There were like 5 Pokemon characters in the semi-finals or something.
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red sox 777 posted...
More seriously, Chrono Trigger has never lost to a Final Fantasy game other than VII, and no Chrono Trigger character has ever lost to a Final Fantasy character except from VII. If you look at the finals, no FF character or game other than from VII has ever seriously challenged for the title. That doesn't mean CT will beat X necessarily, but there's no magic to the FF series as a whole here.


True, CT is actually one of the few games that has a real chance of beating some FF's. Some games are definitely a bit of a coin flip, some games I truly did just have to go off of intuition and gut feeling. CT versus FFX was one of them. I do think there's enough precedent that I still stand by my statement that CT will lose if it goes up against FFX, but it isn't like the CT versus R&C one where it was obvious which one of them was going to get decimated.
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Welp, apparently over the past week the combination of me switching a few picks and the board consensus switching on a few close matches has brought me from something like 15 upsets to 4....

At least my Sonic upsets and CT > FFX are looking pretty good!
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I dunno about this meaning Sonic 2 wins. Am I the only one who thinks both MMX > Sonic 2 and Portal > Batman seems likely?
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Well I'm not saying that Sonic is now a lock, but MMX doing so well here is definitely a good sign for Sonic.
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Or Batman is just fodder
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GranzonEx posted...
Or Batman is just fodder


I think that falls in to the Portal 2 > Batman area.
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The important thing is I got every match right today

and I have Trials & Tribulations in the Divisional Final
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Arkham Asylum did pretty well in GotD, and if you have both games at around the same strength then Mega Man X would be about as strong as Fallout 3, which doesn't make sense to me. So i think the Arkham games have gotten weaker over the past few years.
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Clearly Mega Man got the Smash4 boost.
whatisurnameplz posted...
Arkham Asylum did pretty well in GotD, and if you have both games at around the same strength then Mega Man X would be about as strong as Fallout 3, which doesn't make sense to me. So i think the Arkham games have gotten weaker over the past few years.


Indeed, they did well before. I am still quite shocked that the Batman versus Megaman result, that blindsided me.
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I feel as though characters or games that are expected to do well because of goty polls always under perform compared to expectations, but I have no actual data to back this up.
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GranzonEx posted...
Or Batman is just fodder


Or Batman is stronger than Half-Life MMX to the finals
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Samurai7 posted...
I feel as though characters or games that are expected to do well because of goty polls always under perform compared to expectations, but I have no actual data to back this up.


The difference here is that Arkham did well in an actual contest.
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whatisurnameplz posted...
Samurai7 posted...
I feel as though characters or games that are expected to do well because of goty polls always under perform compared to expectations, but I have no actual data to back this up.


The difference here is that Arkham did well in an actual contest.


For some reason I totally read GotD as GotY. Regardless, just like p3 =/= p4, City=/=Asylum.
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I also have SMB3 in the Divisional Finals
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And SSBM in the Finals
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It really is a great bracket.
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11/5/2015 3:22:51 PM#493
Samurai7 posted...
GranzonEx posted...
Or Batman is just fodder


I think that falls in to the Portal 2 > Batman area.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4589-best-of-2011-best-multi-platform-game-final

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LeonhartFour posted...
Samurai7 posted...
GranzonEx posted...
Or Batman is just fodder


I think that falls in to the Portal 2 > Batman area.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4589-best-of-2011-best-multi-platform-game-final

...!


Hm... I picked Pokemon Gold and Silver as beating Portal. But this makes me think Portal actually has a chance, despite the Pokemon's intense popularity. Did I goof?
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Karma Hunter posted...
The important thing is I got every match right today

and I have Trials & Tribulations in the Divisional Final


still supporting Specks of Dust, I see
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LeonhartFour posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4589-best-of-2011-best-multi-platform-game-final


Well if we assume Arkham Asylum > Arkham City, doubling that puts it ahead of MMX!

But yes, if goty polls over estimate an entrants strength this certainly looks bad for Skyrim. However it has been awhile since Skyrims goty poll so theres always a chance for growth based on play rate growth!
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transcience posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
The important thing is I got every match right today

and I have Trials & Tribulations in the Divisional Final


still supporting Specks of Dust, I see


If I could take it back, would I? Yes I would

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11/5/2015 3:31:58 PM#498
That was mostly in jest. I don't necessarily believe Batman > Portal 2.

I'd feel confident in saying MMX > Sonic 2. 2009 seemed to back that up since they both faced FFVI and LA. Thankfully, there's enough wiggle room in today's result for Sonic 2 to be weaker than MMX and still win!
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