GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1192
ZFS posted... I think Mario 64 would hold up a lot better against OOT today than it did back in 2004. It wouldn't be the joke result it was back then, anyway. It's still get beat down, but more respectably. save_us.cloud --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
save_us.melee --- Currently watching: Avatar: The Last Airbender |
LeonhartFour posted... If I didn't mention it, then I probably agreed with it! You and your subtle wit --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Pokemon are stronger than the games, by a lot. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
Pokemon characters can be really strong when they're getting rallies every match, sure no reason to believe R/B/Y can't get one --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
I can't help but think Super Metroid would have a shot against Super Mario Galaxy. I know I'm devoid of logic for thinking such a thing, but dang, I can't help but maybe go for that upset. It would so awesome if it happened. How about this: if Mass Effect beat Mario Galaxy, would you consider Super Metroid over Mass Effect? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
I'd choose Super Metroid over Mass Effect, for sure. --- satoru iwata |
Whoops. Mass Effect is going against Mario Galaxy 2. My bad. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Super
Metroid has never had a fair shot. Sure it went even with Super Mario
Kart, but I think that has to do with Mario Kart having strength. They
did after all easily finished ahead of Sonic 3 despite splitting the
Nintendo vote. Galaxy did look pretty good against Twilight Princess, especially after performing so poorly in 2009. We did discuss SMG being a type of game to get "Game of the Decade votes" --- Board Odds Project; Post Your Bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72683134 |
Got bored and did some stats. I know some people here subscribe to a theory where Majora was a bandwagon, so let's take a look: In 2009, MGS3 vs. RE4 was 49.71%. In 2010, MGS3 vs. Majora was 42.3%. So, RE4 was projected to score 42.55% against Majora in 2010. Now, in 2010, In 2010, RE4 vs. FFX was 43.19%. Using those, FFX is projected to get 49.26% against Majora in 2010. What it actually ended up getting was 49.89%, which means according to the stats, FFX overperformed ! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
pretty sure KH2/RE4 would have projected TP to win the contest...! actually looking at it, not quite would've been close though! --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 11/2/2015 9:45:24 PM)report |
Ulti,
I'm actually amazed the trainers did that well. Just gives me more
confidence in RBY tbh. Seriously, who gives a s*** about the trainers?
The game will have higher strength than the characters. And Mario 3 is
so old that I think it will suffer. Again we are working with limited
data though so I could see the complete opposite (NostalgiaFAQs
extending back to the 80s!). Agreed with Leonhart about Ulti making loud bold predictions, he pulls this every year lol. The mark of a good statistician is to NOT make bold claims though. A good statistician uses probability curves. --- http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza "This is all we have... when we die.." |
RBY will absolutely be stronger than the trainers or any single Pokemon, but the trainers are pretty cool. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Being loud and bold and wrong makes things more fun though. |
UltimaterializerX posted... Yeah, I mean http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3508-contest-final-ffvii-zelda-lttp-zelda-oot-ffx It's not denial, it's logical. MM likely boosted in strength. The logic isn't hard to follow. People didn't want Brawl to win and MM was the last Zelda standing. I just don't think MM was quite as strong in round one. Not just about FFX, but compared to every other game too. Now I don't think it was a *big* boost - just a couple points in strength. But given the cluster of games at that strength in GOTD, it's enough. And I think it's kinda embarrassing for Mario to need the excuse of Ganon. Though I do believe Vivi>Mario was the flukiest result we've seen, FWIW. It does hint though that Mario has lost his "magic", as others were getting at. Pokemon OTOH has had intangibles in it's favor for many years. Even if you think SMB3 and R/B are equal in strength - and I think most believe R/B is stronger - Pokemon's intangibles have been better. Now, intangibles are unreliable; maybe there's a Poke-backlash. But I think SMB3 needs a backlash to win. And I'm not at all comfortable assuming something we've seen no hint of. |
oh hey I just now saw this UltimaterializerX posted... You guys used that match to justify GSC > Majora too, and you were wrong then. that actually had absolutely nothing to do with the X-Stats, I hope you realize people blatantly ignored the face value of the result and assumed G/S/C just got SFF'd hard enough to get pushed below MM that's the opposite of X-Stats if you're going to be obnoxious about something at least be factual --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Guys come on. 8 Seed Think about it No no Think about it again 8 Seed Poke is DONE --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
I
don't think Majora was weaker in Round 1 honestly. All of its results
are really consistent. It destroyed Wii Sports, more than doubled Chrono
Cross, 55-45d GSC, beat up Wind Waker and MGS3, edged out FFX, edged
out Brawl. Its round-to-round strength seemed pretty consistent. Honestly the only bandwagon I saw was in the finals, and it wasn't huge, AND I think that wasn't really about Majora. I think some people just started anti-voting Brawl the second it beat Melee. I certainly did! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
LeonhartFour posted... oh hey I just now saw this I'm not being obnoxious, people act like x-stats are never wrong and I love rubbing it in when the over-reliance on them bites them in the ass. Draven, L-Block, and Mario > Samus were amazing. There are STILL people who think some voodoo is why Majora's Mask beat FFX. There's always the excuse or some phantom boosst, because admitting x-stats are actually wrong ruins the entire illusion. creativename posted... It's not denial, it's logical. MM likely boosted in strength. I will now respond to all idiotic MAJORA'S MASK JUST BOOSTED nonsense with the actual poll result. Scoreboard don't lie. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4194-final-rounds-semifinal-final-fantasy-x-vs-zelda-majoras-mask Oh my and belief that the Final Fantasy series gets anti-voted is as legitimate as MAJORA'S MASK JUST BOOSTED GUYZ in a poll decided by 200 votes. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
continue
to be in denial ("I'm not obnoxious I just love rubbing things in
people's faces whenever I get a chance") and be factually incorrect FFX/Majora has nothing to do with X-Stats --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Well, I think my bracket is locked in. The matches causing me trepidation are: Mass Effect 3/Fallout 3 Portal 2/Sonic 2 Skyrim/Goldeneye DKC2/Mario Maker Super Metroid/SMG Bloodborne/FF12 A bunch of division 8 matches Fortunately a lot of round 1 matches there, but I have no idea what's going on in Div 8. Starcraft, MGS, MGS2, SotC and ME2 all have valid arguments for winning the division. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
I'm not being obnoxious, people act like x-stats are never wrong and I love rubbing it in when the over-reliance on them bites them in the ass. Draven, L-Block, and Mario > Samus were amazing. There are STILL people who think some voodoo is why Majora's Mask beat FFX. There's always the excuse or some phantom boosst, because admitting x-stats are actually wrong ruins the entire illusion. As someone who correctly predicted Majora's Mask being really underrated in the previous year's stats, even I didn't take it over FFX in my Guru winning bracket. Let alone beating Smash Bros to win the contest. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
I'm not being obnoxious, people act like x-stats are never wrong and I love rubbing it in when the over-reliance on them bites them in the ass But what does x-stats have to do with Majora and G/S/C? lol x-stats would have predicted Majora winning. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! (edited 11/2/2015 10:22:17 PM)report |
it's okay let him continue to write his convenient narrative that enables him to be right about everything --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
creativename posted... Are you really so confident in SMB3>Pokemon or are you just being contrarian? Ulti is a very opinionated person and has been known to go off like a maniac when expressing his opinions sometimes. I don't always take Ulti seriously with some of his opinions. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Regarding
the votals - I think maybe instead of four separate polls on the page
at once, we could see a 4-poll poll. An 4x2 option poll, where you have
to vote for each sub-poll before submitting. This would keep votals equal obviously. KamikazePotato posted... I mean, if RBY is stronger than all three of those, it will beat all three of them. It's not like putting 3 Mario games against means that eventually it will hit a brick wall. For all we know it coasts the entire way. Well, this isn't necessarily true. It's unlikely but people may just get sick of Pokemon beating Mario for two rounds and bandwagon Mario 64. I do agree with HM that SMB3 isn't really the Mario game to beat R/B unless the latter flops. NES games are just so much weaker than SNES games. Most people here are in their mid 20's and only played NES games as hand-me-downs and ports. Their "true" first consoles were more SNES/PSX/N64. |
-LusterSoldier- posted... creativename posted...Are you really so confident in SMB3>Pokemon or are you just being contrarian? Unless I tell you I'm trolling, I promise you I mean what I say. And creativename has always been arrogant. He will literally credit stats or a phantom factor every time he is wrong. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen (edited 11/2/2015 10:49:11 PM)report |
I
know that requiring everyone to vote in all 4 polls for their vote to
count will actually hurt the vote totals and would be a bad idea. I am hoping for a voting process that allows anyone to vote in all 4 polls at once by selecting one game from each poll and voting in all 4 polls with one click of the "Vote" button. The decision for someone to vote in all 4 polls will be optional, which allows them to vote in fewer than 4 polls if there is a match they don't care about. As for the possible layout of the 4 polls on the homepage, it would not be a very practical idea to stack all 4 polls on top of each other in the side column. Stacking them vertically on top of each other messes up the placement of the side column advertisement and CBSi is very picky about any layouts that would mess up the placement of their advertisements. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
LeonhartFour posted... it's okay let him continue to write his convenient narrative that enables him to be right about everything I really do want to know why you think FFX is stronger than it actually is. Majora is allowed to just be better in a poll. I love the game too, loved getting the platinum trophy in the remake, but when has the game won anything debatable? Tidus/Shadow? --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
If you think I keep picking FFX to win because of X-Stats, then you don't pay as much attention as you think you do. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
(also pretty sure getting to the 2009 finals qualifies as "winning something debatable") (and Auron > Sonic) (and Auron > Ryu > Bowser > Shadow) (and Yuna > Master Chief in 2013) --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Ulti tilting at windmills :) -Literally no one has ever said stats are never wrong. Like, this has never happened. -Posting the poll result says what about MM "boosting"? That's not what boosting means. -Saying MM boosted is going AGAINST stats. You are confusing something for its exact opposite again, as Leon mentioned another case of this. And Draven was amazing? Obviously an opinion thing, but man that opinion is poor IMO :) At least L-Block was mostly a GameFAQs creation. Draven wasn't even really because of this site. UltimaterializerX posted... Unless I tell you I'm trolling, I promise you I mean what I say. I...uh...what? This is not remotely true. We can all be arrogant I suppose, but I certainly don't credit nonsense when I'm wrong. I don't even keep much track of what I'm wrong about; I doubt most of us do. And we credit plenty of factors because the number of factors are limitless. It's better to try and not credit everything; we all have "feelings" but they shouldn't be upgraded to factors without a few bits of evidence. And this is in the context of MM/FFX/Brawl, which is much more feel than factor. Such an unwarranted and baseless attack Ulti. |
Well
I edited it to be way less mean than intended since I do respect you,
but you've been the champion of x-stats since 2003 and basically
convinced this entire board that it's the best way to pick things in
Oracle. And there is always an excuse when you're wrong, whether or not
you see it when posting. Other than Link winning from 2004 and on and the Rivalry Rumble, fanboy picks here and there are what wins contests. Even Link isn't untouchable. Stats will get you in the top 95%. Favorites will usually win you a contest. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
LeonhartFour posted... If you think I keep picking FFX to win because of X-Stats, then you don't pay as much attention as you think you do. If it's a fanboy pick I can respect that, but people keep trying to cut Majora at the knees because they hate that it beat FFX or whatever. Let's be honest, any game but Brawl winning is a good result. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
I hate that people tried to rally it to beat FFX because they thought FFX couldn't beat Brawl (That did happen). --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... I hate that people tried to rally it to beat FFX because they thought FFX couldn't beat Brawl (That did happen). Did it really? I think FFX beats Brawl easy. --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest "F*** Draven." -SBAllen |
So A Link to the Past or Majora's Mask? Which is stronger? I figure they're both definitely #2 and #3 of the Zelda series but which is the more popular title? --- Video Games are pretty cool. |
UberPyro64 posted... So A Link to the Past or Majora's Mask? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4257-what-is-your-all-time-favorite-console-legend-of-zelda-game That poll pretty much says everything. Even in a contest setting, that hierarchy is fairly accurate. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
LTTP is traditionally stronger and has more of the nostalgia vote. MM has reasons to have gotten stronger since last time, and has the full OOT/3D Zelda vote. I'm still taking LTTP based on past results. --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC |
-LusterSoldier- posted... UberPyro64 posted...So A Link to the Past or Majora's Mask? Makes sense. I mean A Link to the Past was a 1 seed while Majora's Mask was 2 but I wanted to be sure. Good to see The Wind Waker being 4th and above Twilight Princess. --- Video Games are pretty cool. (edited 11/2/2015 11:50:46 PM)report |
I'm also very iffy on SMB3 vs Super Mario World. If 3 even gets past Pokemon. 3 has the higher seed but idk. It seems like a tough match if it even happens. I'm predicting 64 will win overall though between the three games. Heck I think it'll get to the finals to fight Ocarina of Time. --- Video Games are pretty cool. (edited 11/3/2015 12:04:33 AM)report |
UltimaterializerX posted... Well I edited it to be way less mean than intended since I do respect you, but you've been the champion of x-stats since 2003 and basically convinced this entire board that it's the best way to pick things in Oracle. And there is always an excuse when you're wrong, whether or not you see it when posting. X-stats were the way to win the Oracle. I easily got a bunch of top picks the first Oracle year with basic x-stats. It was easy. I could've done even better, but Squall vs somebody (Luigi?) made me doubt the methodology for a time. Then the KH boost became obvious. And also I made the simple choice to go with stats except when previous round results didn't match up, in which case I adjusted - mainly only for KH, and the dismissing of SFF results, IIRC. Now they won't help you much, because everyone has to use them to some extent. Luck wins you the bracket. Skill can get you in the top few percent - your basic brain dead BOP bracket can do that. To get top 50 you need tons and tons of luck. Even the Oracle requires tons of luck, just not as much. x-stats help contribute to why our collective wisdom beats the brakes off casuals though (we'd do this anyway, it just makes things more lopsided). I mean I don't get this obsession you have with irrational stat hatred. Of all things to go against, that? I don't make "excuses" more than anyone else. You are seeing things. We all try to reason why things don't go as expected. Fact is i can't recall anyone here making "excuses", is that even like a thing? |
I didn't even notice SMB3 was seeded above SMW. Kind of odd. -hotdogturtle-- posted... LTTP is traditionally stronger and has more of the nostalgia vote. Basically this. It wouldn't be as lop-sided as it once would have been, in fact it's probably close now, but LttP is still the solid favorite there. |
Mario 3 is the better game! Nothing odd about that! Still think it can beat Mario World head to head, but who knows if we'll even get to find out. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
UltimaterializerX posted... Pokemon are stronger than the games, by a lot. I'm not sure about this, but in any case, it's definitely not how it should be. The games are great, but the characters have absolutely no personality whatsoever except I guess for Blue >_>. Well, in contests dominated by Link, what am I saying here. Even with that aside, Pokemon is a game with no definite main character (Red is the player, but it's really about the Pokemon. Pikachu is only the main in Yellow because of the anime, in Red/Blue, most people probably didn't even get it), but one of the biggest franchises out there. --- My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet. |
R/B may be our second strongest entrant. At worst it's what, bottom half of the top 10? I don't think any Pokemon character can claim that. Edit: there was Missingno beating Crono in a 12 hour day poll - even in a 24 poll it's probably enough to put him top 10. I still see R/B being above that performance. If he means a hypothetical game vs. character poll, I don't see the game struggling with any of its characters at all. (edited 11/3/2015 12:29:29 AM)report |
I
don't really think Crono is in the top 10 anymore though, and Missingno
was heavily rallied that time. It's probably a bit less strong than
it's 2010 run indicates. I mean, barely defeating Tidus isn't exactly
top 10 material. If a Pokemon entrant is the top 10, it's probably
Mewtwo, but it's hard to judge his strength in 2013. --- My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet. |
