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MM was OoT proxy

I think it's a tad weaker than FFX
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GranzonEx posted...

MM was OoT proxy

I think it's a tad weaker than FFX

And what game was the FF7 proxy in that contest, if you want to use this type of logic?
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Hey FF fans aren't droooooones

They don't use proxies
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FBike1 posted...

Still angry at SMB3/RBY second round.

I'm just angry that RBY is gonna win.
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OoT and MM are linked. FF7 and FFX are not.

To elaborate. OoT and MM are twins, on the same console. FF7 and FFX heralded the arrival of FF on their respective consoles. If you like OoT you WILL like MM. If you like FF7 you might not like FFX because lolvoices and lolTidus and lolHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
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Remember there are literal people that visit this site that don't like anything from the PS2 onward because of gimmicks like good graphics and voice acting.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Can't believe this is starting only the day after tomorrow!

That's because it's not!
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Time is coming up, I have to actually put thought into those close matches now.
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FF fans don't particularly care about winning the frivolous contest, when was the last time you see any square characters being rallied.
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FF fans don't particularly care about winning the frivolous contest, when was the last time you see any square characters being rallied.

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GranzonEx posted...

If you like OoT you WILL like MM.

Wait really? How hard is it for people to accept that MM has just gotten more popular over the years? Was it placing in the top 10 in last year's top 100 also just it being an OOT proxy?

Never mind that MM is very different from OOT anyway.
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GranzonEx posted...

Remember there are literal people that visit this site that don't like anything from the PS2 onward because of gimmicks like good graphics and voice acting.

I'm one of the people who heavily prefer old games, but that's not because I have some bias against new ones. I just kind of got disconnected with gaming after I entered college. Games are expensive (and taxes in Brazil are ridiculous), I don't have money to own more than one console or time to play them, so I just buy 1 or 2 nintendo games a year (currently 3DS and Wii games).

If I had the time and the money, I'd own every console from every company every gen, but sadly I don't.

That means I will vote classic Marios and Zeldas over any 201X game, almost every time.

GranzonEx posted...

OoT and MM are linked. FF7 and FFX are not.

To elaborate. OoT and MM are twins, on the same console. FF7 and FFX heralded the arrival of FF on their respective consoles. If you like OoT you WILL like MM. If you like FF7 you might not like FFX because lolvoices and lolTidus and lolHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

So your logic only works to fit your own narrative.

K
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MM is a direct sequel to OoT and are on the same console and came out 2 years apart from each other without any game between.
FFVII and FFX are on different platforms separated by 4 years and have two mainline games between them.
It's not a stretch to think OoT/MM would be far more linked.

It is just speculation though, and we have hard data that FFX gets crushed like a beer can to FFVII just as much as LttP does to OoT.
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MM was quite different than OoT, even if they were on the same system. There was a reason why it was considered the black sheep of the series until a few years ago when the nostalgia bug appeared.
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I'm favoring RBY over SMB3 myself. Pokemon thrives on low votals as we saw last contest, and we also saw Mario get out-rallied by a f***ing Final Fantasy character in Round f***ing 2. At this point in time, "It's Freaking Pokemon" means a lot more to me than "It's Freaking Mario."
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Not_Wylvane posted...

I'm favoring RBY over SMB3 myself. Pokemon thrives on low votals as we saw last contest, and we also saw Mario get out-rallied by a f***ing Final Fantasy character in Round f***ing 2. At this point in time, "It's Freaking Pokemon" means a lot more to me than "It's Freaking Mario."

It's like people forgot Ganondorf was in that match.
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pjbasis posted...

MM is a direct sequel to OoT and are on the same console and came out 2 years apart from each other without any game between.
FFVII and FFX are on different platforms separated by 4 years and have two mainline games between them.
It's not a stretch to think OoT/MM would be far more linked.

It is just speculation though, and we have hard data that FFX gets crushed like a beer can to FFVII just as much as LttP does to OoT.

Yeah, I mean http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3508-contest-final-ffvii-zelda-lttp-zelda-oot-ffx

The FF games are as linked up as the Zelda games are. Why people are in denial about that Majora > FFX result I'll never know. People have always wished for FFX to do better in these things than it's capable of doing.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

It's like people forgot Ganondorf was in that match.

You have no idea how happy it makes me that someone other than me mentions that.
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The point is more that, LFF or not, if Mario can't outrally a midcard Final Fantasy character, a series most people still think wins all the time, then how will he outrally Pokemon in a poll that's already gonna have a lot lower votals due to competing with three other polls at the same time?
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Considering FFX and MM did about the same against RE4 and MGS3 (who were essentially equal in 2009) it's not a stretch to believe that MM is about equal to FFX. The only bandwagon effect it got was perhaps against Brawl and that was because it just finished holding off FFX.
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Not_Wylvane posted...

The point is more that, LFF or not, if Mario can't outrally a midcard Final Fantasy character, a series most people still think wins all the time, then how will he outrally Pokemon in a poll that's already gonna have a lot lower votals due to competing with three other polls at the same time?

The votals might be lower than ever, but it will be 1v1. The amount of votes needed to win a match should still be much higher than 3-ways.

And people aren't so stupid that FINAL FANTASY ALWAYS WINS means they think Mario is an underdog against freaking Vivi.
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Not_Wylvane posted...

The point is more that, LFF or not, if Mario can't outrally a midcard Final Fantasy character, a series most people still think wins all the time, then how will he outrally Pokemon in a poll that's already gonna have a lot lower votals due to competing with three other polls at the same time?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4570-final-rounds-semifinal-mario-vs-bowser-pokemon-trainer-red

This is what Pokemon is up against.

Not saying a win is impossible or anything, but Mario 3 is a very clear favorite and it's going to take some weird s*** for RBY to beat it. It won't take something weird for Mario 3 to win.
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Isn't rivalry rumble kinda considered an outlier?
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The trainers were still bandwagoned in it.
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pjbasis posted...

It is just speculation though, and we have hard data that FFX gets crushed like a beer can to FFVII just as much as LttP does to OoT.

I don't know how much stock I put into that match because it was the finals. I'd wager a lot of people who'd normally vote for FFX or LttP jumped ship to FFVII and OoT, respectively, because that's what that match was really about.

charmander6000 posted...

Considering FFX and MM did about the same against RE4 and MGS3 (who were essentially equal in 2009) it's not a stretch to believe that MM is about equal to FFX. The only bandwagon effect it got was perhaps against Brawl and that was because it just finished holding off FFX.

Didn't someone confirm that there was a rally for MM against FFX?
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Well the vote totals seem to suggest that there was rallying, but nothing seems to suggest it was heavily one sided. Honestly if you assume no to little SFF MM got about as much against GSC and WW (plus MGS3) as you would expect FFX to get.
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I don't doubt FFX and MM are very close in strength, but I think FFX wins if there's not a rally.

The rallying doesn't have to be "heavily one sided" to flip a 400 vote margin.
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I agree, it was more to the people that think Majora's Mask vastly over performed against FFX.


Now, I still believe Fallout 3 significantly overperformed against Brawl (as in it should have finished in the low 40s)
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I think that's also possible because once Brawl beat Melee, it basically went into "Please let anything but Brawl win" mode. It's possible TP overperformed a bit against it, too.
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Looking at what it did against Kingdom Hearts II Twilight Princess did about expected, though at this point we might as well just adjust everyone in Brawl's division up
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Well, in TP's case, it doesn't really matter too much unless you think Mario 64 would lose to 2010 Brawl. Same thing with Fallout 3, too, I suppose, although swap Mario 64 with Mario World. FO4 might help FO3 a bit though.
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I'm a bit wary about using the Mario & Bowser vs. Trainers match as a way to gauge Mario 3 vs. Pokemon Red/Blue. I doubt that the Trainers themselves carry quite the same visceral nostalgia that the game itself does. After all, we all played Pokemon for... the Pokemon.

I definitely see the argument for Mario 3 winning, but I don't understand how anyone could consider it a clear-cut favorite. At this point, I just can't bet against Pokemon with any level of certainty anymore.
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Mario 3 could lose to RBY, but it has to go through World and 64, too. I think people are too scared of Pokemon from fourways and rallies against characters that are so susceptible to that sort of thing. And yeah, Mario lost to Vivi -- but Mario games aren't Mario the character. I mean, GameFAQs currently prefers Luigi to him!

Mario 3's probably a bit too old at this point. The NES in general is starting to hit an age where people don't even know much or talk about it anymore. It's all SNES and up. Mario World probably has more nostalgia than any other 2D Mario game at this point. Mario 64 is probably straight up the solid leading Mario game, if it's not it's close with World. Don't see Pokemon getting through three generations of Mario!
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I mean, if RBY is stronger than all three of those, it will beat all three of them. It's not like putting 3 Mario games against means that eventually it will hit a brick wall. For all we know it coasts the entire way.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Sure. And for all we know, it's out without a fight in round 2! Who knows really!

Don't think it's stronger than 3, let alone the others, but we'll see.
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The NES really is starting to hit that "it was my dad's first console!" point in current gamer's consciousness which is something to keep in mind for the future.
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It helps that young people rarely come here. The average age on GameFAQs is almost going up by 1 each year.
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Pikachu did pretty well moving from 4-ways to one-on-one in 2010. I don't see why the Pokemon games are much different. I just can't say with confidence Mario 64, which is probably the strongest Mario game, can beat RBY. Their performances were very similar back in 2009 against FF7 and Ocarina, respectively.

We do know that RBY beat Melee with ease in a 4-way poll.
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3504&num=4

I think that means something. In that same poll, RBY wasn't too far off from FFX despite the fact that FFX was the one non-Nintendo game in the poll. Granted, Mario 64 might be able to do the same thing to Melee.... in fact, I would expect that.

If there one damning match for RBY, it would have to be this one:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3486&num=4

GSC's 42% on RBY (a bit worse if you use Morgoth's formula) is just not good for RBY at all.

If RBY can't hang with Mario 64, though, past results give Link to the Past more hope against Majora's Mask (unless the 32/64-bit generation has increased in strength while the 16-bit generation has not....).

Really, though, the only reason I feel decently about RBY going to the finals is simply because the low vote totals seem to favor Pokemon more than Mario. But everything is so uncertain given 5-6 years and like 1/3 of the vote totals.
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It means R/B/Y resists SFF against OoT better than Melee does. That's about it.

Also Mario 64 would not do the same thing to Melee if it were in the same poll as OoT because Mario 64 would get dump trucked by OoT.
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RIght you are on those. I guess I should say that (if) Ocarina of Time wasn't there, Mario 64 could potentially do the same thing to Melee. Again, probably not quite as well, but one can't say for sure.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Melee could have potentially beaten R/B/Y if OoT wasn't there! Nobody knows!
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I know I sometimes have the same problem, but it would be nice if people could mention something they agree with rather than just disagree with things that are not (or may not be) correct.
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If I didn't mention it, then I probably agreed with it!
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Another 11:00 PM EST starting time for the current poll right now. Looks like I'll have to send in a feedback ticket to get the starting time set back to 12:00 AM EST with the contest only 2 days away. Polls are starting at 11:00 PM EST due to the DST change that happened yesterday.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...

Another 11:00 PM EST starting time for the current poll right now. Looks like I'll have to send in a feedback ticket to get the starting time set back to 12:00 AM EST with the contest only 2 days away. Polls are starting at 11:00 PM EST due to the DST change that happened yesterday.

Please don't I enjoy getting the polls early
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I think Mario 64 would hold up a lot better against OOT today than it did back in 2004. It wouldn't be the joke result it was back then, anyway. It's still get beat down, but more respectably.


And if RBY does make it to the finals we always have the hero ZELDA to save us from bad results and be the plucky underdog yet again!
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GranzonEx posted...

-LusterSoldier- posted...

Another 11:00 PM EST starting time for the current poll right now. Looks like I'll have to send in a feedback ticket to get the starting time set back to 12:00 AM EST with the contest only 2 days away. Polls are starting at 11:00 PM EST due to the DST change that happened yesterday.

Please don't I enjoy getting the polls early

No, they have to wait til a close match to fix it so it lasts for an extra hour and skews the results.
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