GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1191
For the Pokémon discussion RbY gives me the most nostalgia of maybe any gane ever. More than Super Mario world, mario 64, judt EVERYTHING about Tha gane when I got it for xmas with a Gameboy pocket. It was my life. The music, memorizing all the Pokémon moves, names, completing the pokedex, collecting Pokémon cards, it was mt life. I feel personally like the best map design was by far the Ruby Sapphire Emerald games. |
A
random idea I thought of was to order the polls in order of how close
they are. That way the 70-30 match that has a result set in stone sinks
to the bottom while 50-50 matches float to the top. --- No amount of rallying would let me beat raytan7585. Congrats to raytan7585 for winning the CB9 Guru Contest! |
Wouldn't mind that, especially since most other options would have the 1v16 matches on the top (or top left) --- Board Odds Project; Post Your Bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72683134 |
Team Rocket Elite posted... A random idea I thought of was to order the polls in order of how close they are. That way the 70-30 match that has a result set in stone sinks to the bottom while 50-50 matches float to the top. That would be a cool idea |
Team Rocket Elite posted... A random idea I thought of was to order the polls in order of how close they are. That way the 70-30 match that has a result set in stone sinks to the bottom while 50-50 matches float to the top. That's a cool idea. It might favor games that have a strong night vote but weak morning vote though. --- "Those were my beans, Max! Those were my f***ing beans!" |
Shifting
poll positions unfortunately will have a slight effect on poll trends.
However, if there's only one close poll, it will float to the top and
sit there all day so it isn't a problem. If there is more than one close
poll on a day, one of them still gets screwed even with static
positions. Furthermore, with static position, the two close polls may
not even be the top two. --- No amount of rallying would let me beat raytan7585. Congrats to raytan7585 for winning the CB9 Guru Contest! |
Haste_2 posted... Although I'm hoping RBY ends up being a bust in the contest, I wouldn't mind seeing RBY beat SMB3 and World on the way to Mario 64. That way we can easily compare all three of the top-tier Mario games. you know how else we could easily compare all three Mario games by Mario 3 beating R/B/Y --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
Lots of people betting on Pokemon getting to the finals or something. Am I crazy in thinking it loses to SMB3? |
Though
tbh, if Pokemon actually did the impossible and won the contest, it
would be epic. And funny, considering all the tears in the board. |
Mario
3 vs. R/B/Y is a toss-up, regardless of what people say. One of the
great things about this contest is that there's very little definitive
data, especially for older games. That 4-way Games Contest is a mess and
hard to glean anything specific out of. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
One
thing I'm not seeing anyone talking about is that Pokemon X/Y was the
one game that made competitive pokemon accessible to new players, and
shortened the gap between casuals and hardcore. So I actually expect the
series to have become MORE popular since the last contest. I'm not sure how that would translate into the individual games though. The X/Y game itself has a pretty big hatedom (because the single player mode sucked), while the old games don't have much to do with modern competitive battling. I guess if this was a character battle we'd see pokemon going even stronger than in 2013, but since it's a game contest I have no idea. (edited 10/24/2015 11:36:39 AM)report |
Yes, XY does have the biggest casual fanbase since RBY, but it's fighting Wind Waker in round 1. --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC |
creativename posted... So if we're having 4 polls on the page at a time, I'd assume the first listed poll would get a lot more votes than 2,3,4. Don't know if that will have any predictable impact, but it could have some strange repercussions. It all depends on the layout of the 4 polls. When I first learned about this, I assumed all 4 polls would be stacked on top of each other in the side column. The poll on top would be expected to get the most votes, while the second poll down gets second highest vote totals, and so on for the third and fourth polls down on the page. If this layout was used, you could reduce the large difference in vote totals by randomizing the order of the polls. So every single time you refresh/visit the homepage, every single poll has a 25% chance of appearing in the top slot. But stacking 4 polls on top of each other is very impractical because that would mess up the placement of the advertisement in the side column and CBSi's advertising team are very picky about any kind of layouts that would mess up the placement of their advertisements. A few days ago, I tried to ask Allen to describe or provide a screenshot showing what the homepage is expected to look like with 4 polls on the page at the same time. Allen did not provide any information about this. Here was the response I got from Allen: http://i.imgur.com/8feiwVK.png From the looks of it, I don't think Allen is planning to stack all 4 polls on top of each other. I have proposed simplifying the voting process so you can vote in all 4 matches at the same time by choosing one game from each match and then voting in all 4 of them with one click of the "Vote" button. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
OrangeCrush980 posted... Team Rocket Elite posted...A random idea I thought of was to order the polls in order of how close they are. That way the 70-30 match that has a result set in stone sinks to the bottom while 50-50 matches float to the top. Hadn't thought of that...but still, TRE had a good idea. If what SBAllen does is a poor idea, perhaps we could get it changed (I doubt he'd change but who knows). ZeldaTPLink posted... Lots of people betting on Pokemon getting to the finals or something. It wouldn't be inconceivable. Pokemon could vary down randomly - it's Pokemon. And SMB3 should be quite strong. Back in the NES days it would have been the strongest game period, and it's got lots of ports. However Pokemon is the smart pick there IMO. BTW someone, forget who, said SMB and LoZ weren't objectively great games or something. I mean...really now?? SMH! |
I'm surprised that FF7 seems the clear fave over FF6 in the BOP. I would've figured people's faith in 7 would be almost nil. First Law of FF7: FF7 Always gets cheated or rallied against And with lowest votals ever upcoming, these things will have huge influence. FF6 OTOH is rally material. 7 is in real trouble. |
Not a problem, I have VI losing to WW while VII loses to Melee. (yes I'm a little crazy, but I'm really not feeling any Final Fantasy hype in the last... decade). |
Looking
at this site demographic, most are aged between 21 to 28. Think they
would have fonder memories of the first pokemon game than a mario game
that was released in 1988. But then again, it's freaking mario, who knows. --- Man is not the creature of circumstances. Circumstances are the creatures of man. (edited 10/24/2015 12:34:50 PM)report |
I am 24 and I have fonder memories of old school pokemon games than of SMB3, specially since I never beat the later. I'd still vote Mario though, because the first pokemon game is objectively flawed. It doesn't deserve to get even close to a "best game ever" title. It did a good job at starting the series, but that's because the series is good, not the game. Then again, I'm a hardcore pokemon player. The casual fanbase might give zero f***s about game mechanics and only remember the story mode, which was pretty fun. |
creativename posted... I'm surprised that FF7 seems the clear fave over FF6 in the BOP. I think that has more to do with FFVI winning over FFVII in this random non-contest poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5728- However, that poll is just a regular PotD and not a contest match. The vote totals on that poll were considered only "average" when compared to other polls from that time period. Vote totals on that poll were certainly less than impressive for a proven vote getter in FFVII. I guess the vote totals on that poll could hint at a minority of potential voters not voting because they haven't played both games. The poll question seems to be asking you to compare both games and make a decision on which one is better, which would imply that you have to play both games to really vote in that poll. As a result, some people wouldn't have voted because they have only played one of the games. People tend to vote more honestly in a regular poll than a contest match. But in an actual contest match between FFVI and FFVII, people will still vote in the match even if they have only played one of the games. Unlike that FFVI/FFVII poll I linked to earlier, contest matches do not have a poll question tied to them. Bracket voting is an extra factor that wouldn't exist in a regular PotD and the bracket vote should favor FFVII out of perception that FFVII is still the stronger game. Even in the large 14-way poll (the day before that 1v1 poll), FFVII only put up 54.33% on FFVI in a poll where the FFVII anti-votes would be very diluted in that format. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
creativename posted... I'm surprised that FF7 seems the clear fave over FF6 in the BOP. I feel like FFVI will have to overcome a pretty big gap to defeat FFVII even with outside help. I don't like predicting things with rallies in mind because you can almost never guarantee when you're going to get one, but that's probably FFVI's only chance, so that's why people are probably siding with VII instead. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif (edited 10/24/2015 12:51:18 PM)report |
Yay
for another contest. Feels like it's been forever. But where's Secret
of Mana? It has earned its right for the first round 20%. |
Yeah Luster you have to take that poll with a huge grain of salt, it isn't why I am concerned about 7's chances. 7 will be stronger in a "real" contest poll. Higher vitals are good for it But it will also be much more anti-rallied. It's unclear what the net effect would be. But the only thing that gives me some faith in 7 is the Remake. Can't be sure but the Remake is probably a big reason Square stock has really rebounded. |
7's
advantage over 6 is having a higher playrate. More people have played 7
than 6 and in a contest match where anyone can vote even if they have
only played one of those games, this would benefit 7. The remake announcement is probably a non-factor at this point. The announcement was made almost 5 months ago and any hype has probably died down already. We don't have enough information about the remake (outside of a short trailer) to generate any hype for the game. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! (edited 10/24/2015 1:28:24 PM)report |
creativename posted... BTW someone, forget who, said SMB and LoZ weren't objectively great games or something. I mean...really now?? SMH! Someone accused me of saying that. I meant to (or maybe I did, I don't remember well) say that the originals were "considered" not as good as later games in the series. I have a heck of a lot of respect for both of those games, nominated both of them, and was bummed to see them both miss out on this contest. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." (edited 10/24/2015 3:36:23 PM)report |
creativename posted... And with lowest votals ever upcoming, these things will have huge influence. FF6 OTOH is rally material. 7 is in real trouble. This contest would have already gotten the lowest vote totals even if it wasn't for the 4 polls a day thing. Here's our average monthly vote totals since the start of 2013 (ignoring the GotY polls in January of each year): January 2013 - 40067 February 2013 - 40052 March 2013 - 38303 April 2013 - 39852 May 2013 - 39907 June 2013 - 41589 July 2013 - 37621 (very limited sample size of just 8 polls) September 2013 - 35053 October 2013 - 34995 November 2013 - 32469 December 2013 - 30916 January 2014 - 32267 February 2014 - 31668 March 2014 - 29593 April 2014 - 29748 May 2014 - 28632 June 2014 - 27936 July 2014 - 28008 August 2014 - 26034 September 2014 - 26332 October 2014 - 25211 November 2014 - 25030 December 2014 - 22820 January 2015 - 23045 February 2015 - 23840 March 2015 - 23058 April 2015 - 21870 May 2015 - 21021 June 2015 - 20783 July 2015 - 21545 August 2015 - 20524 September 2015 - 20739 October 2015 - 19187 (as of yesterday's poll) October of this year has not been a very good month for vote totals, the first time we dropped below a monthly average of 20000 votes. We'd have to average about 22339 votes for the rest of this month (including today's poll) to finish with an overall monthly average of 20000 votes. Probably not likely to happen. Even if I threw out the 2 polls this month that got less than 15000 votes, we're still averaging less than 20000 votes for this month. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Damn,
today's poll is a ownership poll and not a playrate poll for Majora's
Mask. We've never had a playrate poll for Majora's Mask and it's not
even an accurate measure of the game's playrate because it doesn't have
an option for the Virtual Console versions. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
DatBooty posted... For the Pokémon discussion Oh I get a ton of nostalgia from RBY also... playing Pokemon Yellow on my Pikachu Yellow Game Boy Color in 2000... those were the days. I also think Pokemon RBY embodies the phenomenon that Pokemon was in the late 90s and early 2000s more so than any of the other games in the series. It was that huge back in those days. |
-LusterSoldier- posted... 7's advantage over 6 is having a higher playrate. More people have played 7 than 6 and in a contest match where anyone can vote even if they have only played one of those games, this would benefit 7. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4658-how-old-is-your-favorite-game-of-all-time Yeah 7's other big benefit is it's release date, releasing in 1997, a period of higher nostalgia for the voters on this site. (edited 10/24/2015 8:51:58 PM)report |
RIght
now, the strongest games on this site are from that period from
1996-2001, so basically the years 7 thru 13 for the average voter on
this site, who is currently 26.5 years old.(That's actually exactly how
old I am) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5953-how-old-are-you http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4658-how-old-is-your-favorite-game-of-all-time I wonder why we rate games from that period of time to highly in our minds... just because we love to look back on that 1996-2001 period of time as a simpler, more peaceful one? |
POOTERSS posted... RIght now, the strongest games on this site are from that period from 1996-2001, so basically the years 7 thru 13 for the average voter on this site, who is currently 26.5 years old.(That's actually exactly how old I am) You are using the wrong age poll here. For that second poll you linked to, you should be comparing it to the age poll that happened just 10 days earlier: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4648-how-old-are-you In that age poll from 2012, the average age of the site's users was 24.40 while the average date of birth was January 28, 1989. That puts a lot of users in the ideal time range to play their first video game within the 1993-1997 time period. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Huh,
30% of the site hasn't played Majora before? That seems pretty high for
a Zelda game. Zelda 1 and LttP had higher playership rates the last
times they were in one of these. --- http://i.imgur.com/3DwCNLJ.gif |
-LusterSoldier- posted... POOTERSS posted...RIght now, the strongest games on this site are from that period from 1996-2001, so basically the years 7 thru 13 for the average voter on this site, who is currently 26.5 years old.(That's actually exactly how old I am) But if they were 24.4 back in March of 2012, doesn't that mean that 3 years and 7 months later(now), they are about 28.1 years old now? Also isn't that poll I linked about age from 2015 more relevant?(from July of this year). That 2012 age poll had 70k voters, wheras the one from July 2015 had 30k, closer numbers to what we're gonna likely see in the contest. |
Only
66% of this site has played Majora Mask and yet it won GOTD? Guess the
rabid zelda fanbase will vote for anything that has "Zelda" in the
title. --- Man is not the creature of circumstances. Circumstances are the creatures of man. |
To be fair that 33% will be less likely to vote in a match containing MM. --- Board Odds Project; Post Your Bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72683134 |
POOTERSS posted... -LusterSoldier- posted...7's advantage over 6 is having a higher playrate. More people have played 7 than 6 and in a contest match where anyone can vote even if they have only played one of those games, this would benefit 7. 7 no doubt has more "raw" strength than 6. Hell, it probably has more raw strength than RBY. But intangibles matter a ton and 7 has the WOAT (Worst Of All-Time) intangibles. For some reason, rallying against 7 has become a religion-like tradition. A lot of games have the potential to beat 7 via rallying. Especially with the pathetic votals incoming. -Zelmor- posted... Only 66% of this site has played Majora Mask and yet it won GOTD? Guess the rabid zelda fanbase will vote for anything that has "Zelda" in the title. I am confident in saying MM won via intangibles. I really don't think it was the strongest game in rotund 1. Being the last Zelda game standing helped. It also helped that people really did not want Brawl to win. And it barely beat X. I think X and Brawl would have won if it had been a round 1 match, before MM gained momentum. (edited 10/25/2015 12:29:48 PM)report |
POOTERSS posted... But if they were 24.4 back in March of 2012, doesn't that mean that 3 years and 7 months later(now), they are about 28.1 years old now? For the most part, the average age of this site's users has been increasing at a linear rate since 2010. The 2015 age poll was really the first time we had any massive increase in the average age. Another troubling trend is that the average date of birth has remained fairly stable since 2010 before taking a massive turn backwards in the 2015 age poll. This shows that we aren't even luring in any younger users while our current users continue getting older. There is a page on the Board 8 wiki that keeps track of the average age in all of the age polls: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Average_Age Allen has already explained in the past the massive decline in vote totals is caused because most new visitors to the site come to GameFAQs from a Google search result and bypass the homepage. So they never even see the polls to begin with. While this leads to lower vote totals, it also has other consequences as well. The people visiting the site for the first time are also the same people that aren't signing up for an account and even those who do, they don't stay around very long. This also includes a lot of younger people who aren't voting in the polls, which is why the ASV has eroded away and become pretty much non-existent. The recent age polls are not an accurate measure of the age demographics for the average site visitor, because they only show the age demographics of the people who still vote in the polls on a regular basis. I'm willing to bet there's a lot more younger people visiting the site than the recent age polls suggest, but those people aren't seeing the polls since they're bypassing the homepage from a Google search result. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Anyone
have any thoughts on the Xenoblade/DKC2 match? Seems to me like DKC2
should win it handily, but I honestly have no idea what Xenoblade is
aside from that shirtless anime boy thats in Smash --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
-LusterSoldier- posted... http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Average_Age Great link LusterSoldier! So the average voter age has been rising, and now the average voter's age is 27.31. |
creativename posted...So if we're having 4 polls on the page at a time, I'd assume the first listed poll would get a lot more votes than 2,3,4. Don't know if that will have any predictable impact, but it could have some strange repercussions. I would expect that if they took this approach they would randomise which one was on top for each page load. This would not be particularly hard to do (I have done it myself). |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Anyone have any thoughts on the Xenoblade/DKC2 match? Seems to me like DKC2 should win it handily, but I honestly have no idea what Xenoblade is aside from that shirtless anime boy thats in Smash Aside from what you might think they should, the Donkey Kong games have never really impressed at all in these contests. Xenoblade doesn't need to have too much strength to pull it off and IIRC it got second place in the GotY 2012 polls, which doesn't say too much but does indicate some strength. DKC2 winning wouldn't take me by complete surprise, but Xenoblade is the favorite in that match. --- My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet. |
I'm not at all confident in Xenoblade to defeat DKC2, even if that is a good point. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
The match is not a given, but Xenoblade would have to be really weak to lose it. Of course, no DKC games made the field in 2004, but they did make the 2009 field. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3458-division-4-round-1-dk-country-2-goldeneye-re2-s-mario-rpg I get that there is probably a small bit of SFF there, but it doesn't excuse such a horrible performance. DKC is probably stronger than its sequel, despite 2 generally being the faovirte, and I think Xenoblade is the favorite to win even that. Despite the status the games has in gaming, Donkey Kong always chokes here. --- My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet. |
"a
small bit" is a bit of an understatement. A SNES Mario game and
GoldenEye 007 were in that poll and we all know Donkey Kong doesn't hold
up well against Mario (or Zelda). With that said I would still say DKC2 is the weakest game out of the four, but I wouldn't take Xenoblade over Resident Evil 2 either. --- Board Odds Project; Post Your Bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72683134 |
People
were expecting DKC2 to get fourth because of SFF, it's pretty clear
that would've happened regardless. And o all games, these are probably
among the ones that would SFF Donkey Kong the least. --- My old signature was really outdated. I haven't thought of a proper new one yet. |
A popular SNES Mario Game would barely SFF DKC2? Honestly SMRPG was probably DKC2's worst opponent outside of SMW and LttP. Just curious, what percent do you think DKC2 would get in that match if there was no SFF? --- Board Odds Project; Post Your Bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72683134 |
I'm still kind of dumbfounded by Super Mario RPG SFFing DKC2 given that I hear more hype for the latter in general. Changed back to Super Mario Maker winning that fourpack and SSBM > FFX > CT. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil (edited 10/26/2015 8:16:29 AM)report |
And I'm starting to get scared that Metroid Prime and SOTC could lose in Round 1. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
SotC should be fine against Team Fortress 2. The game wasn't too strong in 2010 and if anything it could be weaker now. Same with Metroid Prime unless you think Skyrim boosted Morrowind heavily. --- Board Odds Project; Post Your Bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/72683134 |
I'm
just getting a little scared because I don't want two of my favorite
games losing in Round 1. Although it's not like that didn't happen in
the last all-inclusive games contest! For what it's worth Morrowind was only 14 spots behind Prime on THE LIST. --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil (edited 10/26/2015 9:25:08 AM)report |
ctesjbuvf posted... The match is not a given, but Xenoblade would have to be really weak to lose it. Of course, no DKC games made the field in 2004, but they did make the 2009 field. See, that's the thing. Anything with the word 'Xeno' in it tells be that we're dealing with anime loser trash, which while popular on Board 8, isn't popular with the general site user. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
