MarioSuperstar posted...
I meant the Pokemon characters themselves. They always vary from match to match. We can see this in Charizard/Pikachu/Mewtwo especially.

For example, ain't no way Kratos = Bowser = Mario.... then Charizard loses to Zelda three years later.

Mewtwo.. struggles against Midna, beats Sonic/Bowser.. and Pikachu..? I guess?

Honestly, all of Pikachu's matches seem to be like a different Pikachu in each one. Even the blowouts.


Well that's true, pikachu in particular :P

I still think the game itself will be strong but I agree that Pokemon in general has a lot of variance in the contests.
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Pokemon fans need to get over themselves and realize rby did certain things right no later gen did
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^ Like what?
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Like good pokemon design and good campaign/map
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In regards to Mario Maker, it's got a ton of support on Twitch right now. Trihex, a famous speedrunner streams it regularly, garnering about 8000 viewers average. And he reads donation comments. So just a simple $1 could potentially bring in quite a few votes. Shouldn't have too much of an issue getting to round 3.
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pjbasis posted...
Like good pokemon design and good campaign/map


And including Special Defense, Much better bag options, Abilities, Dark Type (aka Psychic types not stupid OP), Steel Type, etc

I will disgaree about RBYs campaign being worse but the RBY designs are a bit worse than others or other Gens are just much more overlooked
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pjbasis posted...
Like good pokemon design


Nah, I don't really hold the first generation in very high regard when it comes to the actual Pokemon. The later generations have some more unique and interesting designs for the Pokemon. This doesn't mean there aren't any good designs in the first generation, but the later generations have really lowered my opinion Gen I's Pokemon. When I look at some of the Pokemon designs of the later generations, it reminds me that Gen I has some really bland Pokemon designs.
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pjbasis posted...
Like good pokemon design and good campaign/map


Please get your memes out of this serious contest discussion topic.
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So uh, we're absolutely sure Starcraft beats Destiny right? Was looking over the bracket for potential upsets and that match caught my eye. For one, Destiny has been one of the most popular games on the site (in terms of Top 100 games and game boards traffic) ever since it came out. I don't ever really see alot of hate for it anywhere. Thoughts?
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I guess I never really noticed any particular Starcraft love on this site. I picked Destiny because it's a lot more relevant than Starcraft at this time. II isn't quite as popular as a lot of the other eSports, and I rarely see people mention the first. Perhaps I'll be horribly wrong, but I don't think the Destiny hate is that huge. At least in comparison to its fanbase.

I do see that it was decently popular, but that was a while ago now, and since then, II was released. Maybe it's still relevant and I'll be eating my words, but we'll see.
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I love Starcraft. Great campaign, even better multiplayer.
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Seel, Krabby, Muk, Zubat.

Pokemon design I guess.
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Jesse_Custer posted...
So if I remember correctly, this starts as 4 matches a day. But has it been figured out what round it drops down to 2 matches a day and then 1?


This is the exact set-up for those who don't know yet:

Round 1 - 4 matches per day
Round 2 - 4 matches per day
Round 3 - 2 matches per day
Round 4 and beyond - 1 match per day

All matches will be 24 hours long.


How will this work? Do you just open the website and one random poll is selected (which you can't change)? Is there going to be a list of today's matches?

How will it be?
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I think people need to go back and look at the original sprites for Pokemon if they think the game had good design. The overworld design is nothing to write home about either, but that's more of a technology issue.
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charmander6000 posted...
I think people need to go back and look at the original sprites for Pokemon if they think the game had good design. The overworld design is nothing to write home about either, but that's more of a technology issue.


Genwunners are blinded by nostalgia and refuse to accept anything else. It's best not to pay attention to them.
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superange128 posted...
pjbasis posted...
Like good pokemon design and good campaign/map


And including Special Defense, Much better bag options, Abilities, Dark Type (aka Psychic types not stupid OP), Steel Type, etc

I will disgaree about RBYs campaign being worse but the RBY designs are a bit worse than others or other Gens are just much more overlooked


It's funny when balance improvements are the go to thing for arguing against gen I. That's such hardcore bias
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swirIdude posted...
charmander6000 posted...
I think people need to go back and look at the original sprites for Pokemon if they think the game had good design. The overworld design is nothing to write home about either, but that's more of a technology issue.


Genwunners are blinded by nostalgia and refuse to accept anything else. It's best not to pay attention to them.


You're blinded by shiny graphics and outlandish pokemon designs and refuse to accept anything else.

Easy
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What about Pokemon RBY's campaign and map made it good in general and better than later generations?
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10/22/2015 8:25:54 AM#321
Are we really having this discussion on this board?
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spooky96 posted...
Are we really having this discussion on this board?


Sadly, yes. Hopefully it will stop soon so we can talk about the contest.
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Is there a list of where users finished in the rankings for each contest somewhere? I can't recall where I finished in the last one.
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A sense of nonlinearity and openness that enhanced the sense of exploration. Making it feel less like an RPG and more like an adventure game.
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The "what's wrong with Gen I" pic so perfectly captures because the only thing it picks at are all the technical bugs. But who really gives a s*** that substitute kills you at 25%, only pokenerds.
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10/22/2015 8:40:46 AM#327
A'rite so here's my 2 cents

RBY was the cool new thing which every kid/teen was embarrassed to admit that they like it.

Then came GSC which balanced the game (so kudos). It was nice to battle against yourself.

RSE has a good amount of love and hate. Didn't particularly do anything good for competitive battling. Meta revolved around defensive teams.

DPP was like the best gen for competitive battling with the Physical/Special split. The game itself was awful to play.

BW had a semi-worth playing single player while the competitive battling revolved around weathers (which was kinda fun I guess). It had both god-awful designs and some of the best designed Pokemon.

I'd prefer to puke for 30 hrs than play XY's single player. Competitive aspect is fine, though single 6v6 is becoming more irrelevant, but GameFreak is doing all it can to make doubles more interesting/balanced.
Whoa now, gen 3 competitive battling was a huge improvement on what came before. Defensive and stall teams were still viable but you didn't have nonsense like Gen 2 Rest/Sleep Talk. I'd say it was the gen where competitive battling first got really good!
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10/22/2015 10:37:41 AM#329
Yeah well, gen 3 is usually considered the best, followed by gen 4, I prefer DPPHGSS just because of the Physical/Special split.

Might I remind you what happens when 2 WOBAAAAFAT face each other in RSE?

DPP, in my opinion, was the best for competitive battling. Fixed quite a few things.
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I started competitive with DPP

The physical/special split made the whole thing so much easier to keep track of. Not to mention all the apps built into the game that made EV training so much easier.
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Qwaar posted...
Is there a list of where users finished in the rankings for each contest somewhere? I can't recall where I finished in the last one.


This?:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb9_leaderboard
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Qwaar posted...
Is there a list of where users finished in the rankings for each contest somewhere? I can't recall where I finished in the last one.


This?:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb9_leaderboard


Yes, that's it. Thank you kind sir.

8th place on the expert leaderboard. Still can't believe that.
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VideoboysaysCube posted...
In regards to Mario Maker, it's got a ton of support on Twitch right now. Trihex, a famous speedrunner streams it regularly, garnering about 8000 viewers average. And he reads donation comments. So just a simple $1 could potentially bring in quite a few votes. Shouldn't have too much of an issue getting to round 3.

Rallies by donating to popular streamers? What a brave new world we live in, I love it!
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RBY is better simply because it was novel and exciting when it came out. Every subsequent generation is worse because it is a diluted rehash of the original, with s***tier Pokemon and none of the originality of RBY
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So we get a Mario 3 ownership poll, but this poll isn't a substitute for an actual playrate poll (which we haven't had in 10 years).

Assuming this poll was an accurate measurement of Mario 3's playrate, we currently have a playrate of 88.81% (going by the last option) at the freeze in today's poll. For reference, the last time we had a Mario 3 playrate poll, it had a playrate of 94.30% on 11/1/2005. So today's poll suggests that Mario 3 has taken a step backwards in playrate and is possibly even weaker than it was in 2009. Based on this, I do feel better about Pokemon RBY over Mario 3.
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I've entertained the idea of Pokemon games getting weaker since 2010, but I just can't believe that. Mewtwo, Red, and Pikachu were all just too strong last contest. Charizard disappointed probably only because he/she gained a ton of momentum in 2010. Honestly, if we have another charater battle, by FAR the character I would be most interested in is Mewtwo.

The only way Mario 3 has a chance against RBY is Mario 3 growing in strength, as well.

What other games have had signs of growth based on character performance? Vivi and Kefka were real winners in the last contest, so that's good for FF6 and FF9. Anything else? Mega Man and Snake looked pretty good, so maybe there's some promise there, maybe? (Although some believe the MGS series will be weaker this time around) Mass Effect, possibly, though Commander Shepard's beating of Aeris may not indicate much. Oh, and GlaDOS' performance could indicate good things for Portal.

There are other factors that may be a better measurement for games than looking at character performance, but hey.
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Calling Mega Man > Charizard is still one of my best predictions. The problem is everyone was so amazed by Charizard's run in the last character contest that they forgot his base is roughly equal to Kratos rather than a step below freaking Mario.
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
So we get a Mario 3 ownership poll, but this poll isn't a substitute for an actual playrate poll (which we haven't had in 10 years).

Assuming this poll was an accurate measurement of Mario 3's playrate, we currently have a playrate of 88.81% (going by the last option) at the freeze in today's poll. For reference, the last time we had a Mario 3 playrate poll, it had a playrate of 94.30% on 11/1/2005. So today's poll suggests that Mario 3 has taken a step backwards in playrate and is possibly even weaker than it was in 2009. Based on this, I do feel better about Pokemon RBY over Mario 3.


Maybe the GBA remake had something to do with that? Is there any earlier poll (like 2003 or so)?
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Today's poll is bad as a proxy playrate poll because there's not really any option for people who played it through Super Mario All-Stars to choose.
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Not_Wylvane posted...
Calling Mega Man > Charizard is still one of my best predictions. The problem is everyone was so amazed by Charizard's run in the last character contest that they forgot his base is roughly equal to Kratos rather than a step below freaking Mario.


It took 11th hour voting and a pretty crazy comeback for Mega Man to win. I enjoyed every minute of it, but you can't sit there and say Charizard (and by proxy, Pokemon) wasn't that strong or something. He was thisclose to winning.
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AxemRedRanger posted...
Today's poll is bad as a proxy playrate poll because there's not really any option for people who played it through Super Mario All-Stars to choose.


Hmm, I guess that could throw off the results a little bit. Because of that, I won't be adding it to the "Have You Played" page on the Board 8 wiki.

Even without an option for Super Mario All-Stars version, it's hard to imagine that would reduce the playrate by more than 2% at the very most. Mario 3 already has an extremely high playrate of its own.
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Pokemon seems to have the most important path of the contest. Haven't we seen this story before?

Wonder how reduced votals will affect it. Though perhaps more importantly, it's going against the Mario franchise - not normally something you can rally against well. So Poke-rally power may be in trouble.

Do people still think SMW and Mario 64 are about equal? I can see 64 being stronger now. It's actually possible Pokemon falls between them, albeit unlikely.

I think Pokemon is the best bet to make the Finals, but it's definitely less than 50% to do so. Both because the path is incredibly treacherous (strongest Mario and FF games), and Pokemon is the most all-over-the-map entity in contest history.

So if we're having 4 polls on the page at a time, I'd assume the first listed poll would get a lot more votes than 2,3,4. Don't know if that will have any predictable impact, but it could have some strange repercussions.
I'm hoping the position of each poll gets randomized (i.e. each game is on top 25% of the time), as that would ensure all matches get equal treament. If I had to make a wild guess is that SBAllen will put two on top and two in bottom, like a square, which will make all of the matches harder to miss than if they were stacked. But I don't know much about web design and what works best.

I've always thought Mario 64 was a bit above SMB3 and SMW i the 2009 game contest, maybe getting 53/47 before SFF, but that was then. I really have no idea how things will go now, especially with the low vote totals. We might things change to like World > 64 > SMB3 for all we know. Although I'm hoping RBY ends up being a bust in the contest, I wouldn't mind seeing RBY beat SMB3 and World on the way to Mario 64. That way we can easily compare all three of the top-tier Mario games.
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You can fit four polls going across. Just remove the current poll, adjust "Today on GameFAQs" so it stretches across the page and place the four below it.

I think that may look the best.
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Would four polls across work on the mobile site? I've never been to the mobile homepage, so I don't even know how the poll fits there usually.
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Xeybozn posted...
Would four polls across work on the mobile site? I've never been to the mobile homepage, so I don't even know how the poll fits there usually.


No it wouldn't. On the mobile website the poll is located almost at the bottom of the page below the top 10 games, top 10 message boards, hot topics and even below the "Around the web" ads. The only way it can fit is with all 4 polls one below the other, like this:

Gamefaqs header and ad
Top 10 games
Top 10 message boards
Hot topics
Around the web
Poll 1
Poll 2
Poll 3
Poll 4

The location of the PotD on mobile sucks though. I barely vote for it when I use the mobile website. The only way I can see people using the polls from mobile is if they get moved further up
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