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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1190
swirIdude posted... SA2 is Sonic Team's best attempt at a 3D Sonic (other than Generations, which is just playing on nostalgia). I actually am surprised it isn't up there among Sonic's most popular titles, given how much people in the 2000s loved that game. Only available on Dreamcast (which no one had) and Gamecube (people slow stopped caring about SEGA/Sonic about this point) --- http://myvideogamelist.com/mylist/superange128 http://myanimelist.net/profile/superange http://vndb.org/u6633/votes |
SA2 is the only good sonic game --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan (edited 9/25/2015 10:56:42 AM)report |
SA2
looked fine in Game of the Decade, IIRC. I wouldn't be shocked if it
was actually the #1 Sonic game. It's ahead of Sonic 2 at least, and
probably beats Sonic 1 head to head. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! (edited 9/25/2015 11:47:29 AM)report |
SA2 > SMS --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Looking
at the nomination form, there appears to be no known way to figure out
the total number of nominations that have been submitted. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
LOLContests posted... SA2 looked fine in Game of the Decade, IIRC. I wouldn't be shocked if it was actually the #1 Sonic game. It's ahead of Sonic 2 at least, and probably beats Sonic 1 head to head. Sonic 1 beat Street Fighter II in the 2009 contest. Based on SA2's loss to Street Fighter IV in Game of the Decade, you think it beats Sonic 1? That sounds a bit off to me. --- Congrats to 2013 Guru champ raytan! |
-LusterSoldier- posted... Looking at the nomination form, there appears to be no known way to figure out the total number of nominations that have been submitted. I have faith that you'll find a way. --- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima raytan: Champ without picking the champ |
I have looked at the source code of the nomination form and there is absolutely no data that would suggest a nomination total. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
You didn't look hard enough --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
-LusterSoldier- posted... I have looked at the source code of the nomination form and there is absolutely no data that would suggest a nomination total. Think outside the box. I believe in you. --- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima raytan: Champ without picking the champ |
Xeybozn posted... Sonic 1 beat Street Fighter II in the 2009 contest. Based on SA2's loss to Street Fighter IV in Game of the Decade, you think it beats Sonic 1? That sounds a bit off to me. rSFF. Sonic 1 is more popular indirectly because first games in series serve as proxies for the entire series, but collapse against other games from the series. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! (edited 9/25/2015 12:24:47 PM)report |
I
don't think it's a fair assumption that Sonic 1 would lose to any other
game from its series. Certainly no one would entertain the idea of
picking the Sonic 2006 monstrosity over Sonic 1 in a direct match. I
think Sonic 1 would only lose to Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 in a direct match,
but come out on top in a match versus all other games in the series. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Luster, don't forget the first rule of Sonic fandom: Sonic 2006 does not exist. --- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima raytan: Champ without picking the champ |
-LusterSoldier- posted... Certainly no one would entertain the idea of picking the Sonic 2006 monstrosity over Sonic 1 in a direct match. I literally would (and not for the joke votes that it would most likely get). I legitimately think that Sonic 1 is an unplayable piece of garbage that only lucked into a sequel due to forced mascot status, while Sonic 2006 has the benefit of one of the better soundtracks of the whole series. --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC |
no limit to noms? --- Shooting Game never die. It prays that the clover of luck be always in your mind. |
The limit is 10 nominations. Besides that, there does not appear to be any other restrictions on which games you can nominate. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
pjbasis posted... SA2 > SMS In actuality no, Mario Sunshine is the better game. Then again as I mentioned earlier in the topic I'm a crazed fogey who thinks Sunshine isn't much worse than World or 64 (and I jumped straight into Sunshine from 64 so I could at least make direct comparisons there!). --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil (edited 9/25/2015 2:00:57 PM)report |
LOLContests posted... rSFF. Sonic 1 is more popular indirectly because first games in series serve as proxies for the entire series, but collapse against other games from the series. There is still literally zero evidence rSFF actually exists. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg |
LeonhartFour posted... LOLContests posted...rSFF. Sonic 1 is more popular indirectly because first games in series serve as proxies for the entire series, but collapse against other games from the series. There is one match that provides evidence, but everyone seems to deny it. I imagine you know what match I'm talking about. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
swirIdude posted... (other than Generations, which is just playing on nostalgia) you mean in addition to being an excellently designed game, right --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg |
Haste_2 posted... There is one match that provides evidence, but everyone seems to deny it. I imagine you know what match I'm talking about. you mean the match where every future contest match has only seemed to suggest that Mario has been legitimately stronger than Samus outright since 2005? --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg |
No. I'm talking about where Super Mario World did better against Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy II, and Mega Man 3 than against Final Fantasy, Battletoads, and Prince of Persia. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
how does that prove rSFF again if you're suggesting FFI is stronger than FFIV, I wouldn't bet on it --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg |
Certainly not proof. It's just very strange. I can't think of another inconsistency that's so huge. Edit: This is Haste. --- Ultimate Team: Infernape/Suicune/Blissey/Zapdos/Tyranitar/Cresselia (edited 9/25/2015 9:06:00 PM)report |
since we're talking about Sonic games, which game do you think would win in this match: Sonic 2006 vs Sonic Boom |
I nominated Chrono Trigger, now gotta think about the rest of the list. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
That
gigantic SMW shift between round 1 and round 2 is one of the strangest
results we've seen, agreed. I'm not sure how it supports rSFF- if FFI
> FFIV, shouldn't SMW still lose votes to FFI in round 2, as it was
still in the poll? As for the other poll, there is no definitive proof that Mario has been stronger indirectly than Samus since that match. No proof the other way, either, I suppose. But here's the question: would you really take Samus to win that match in 2004? Or, let's say for argument's sake Mario gets 50% on Samus indirectly, and gets 59% directly. If Samus gains 1% on Mario in strength, so that indirectly it is now 51/49 in Samus's favor, will Mario really lose a direct match? It seems very unlikely. And if you admit that, you have to admit that conceptually, rSFF is possible. Whether it's happened yet, is another question. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
red sox 777 posted... But here's the question: would you really take Samus to win that match in 2004? Yep. It's easy to say MARIO ALWAYS WINS because he's won whenever they've faced since the Nintendo Boost and they never faced before that. Anything before that is speculation, and speculation =/= evidence. I mean, there's no way to know for sure now, but Mario from 2005-2010 was a completely different beast than 2002-2004 Mario. 2004 Mario is the weakest one we've seen by a decent margin. Trying to argue SFF would work the same way in every case is inaccurate, too, because we've seen that isn't the case. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg (edited 9/25/2015 10:09:40 PM)report |
Fair enough. I'm not sure if I'd take Mario, today, to win that in 2004 either. I will say that I, and lots of other people did
take Mario to beat Samus in 2005, without knowing anything about the
Nintendo Boost that was coming, based primarily on expecting rSFF. So
rSFF should not be called an after-the-fact explanation, it was the
primary reason people took Mario to win that match. It made a
prediction, and it was right! Of course, rSFF has also made other
predictions, and has usually failed (i.e. Crono vs. Magus). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
Yes,
I understand that people believed it was possible (and still do). rSFF
isn't the after-the-fact explanation. Mario being stronger outright that
year was the after-the-fact explanation. But ten years later, we've never found conclusive evidence it has or can actually happen. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg |
Pretty
sure some of what's going on there is LFF, possibly some Mario/Mega Man
weirdness (feel free to argue about that) and a bunch of weirdness to
do with the Battletoads rally. --- www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/arcana/388_final.jpg |
The
smoking gun for me in that situation is actually R3, not R2 as weird as
it was. FFII didn't do any better on SMW than FFI did, despite there
being another Mario game in the poll (plus Sonic 1 for good measure.) --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. Congrats to CBIX Guru Winner *Raytan*! |
Does
anyone REALLY think Final Fantasy I is better than Super Mario World?
Not many played FFI back in the day and it isn't really considered a
good game at this point. FFI probably benefited a bit from the format. Pretty much any other non-JRPG options were probably coming right out of Super Mario World's vote total, because almost nobody other than a big fan of JRPGs or Final Fantasy would actually vote for FF1 in that first match. That the other opponents were both platformers just makes that more likely. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
That's
not really a smoking gun though. There are plenty of 4-way results that
don't make sense from round to round, and SFF isn't an explanation for
them. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxwtAuWwAAbmea.jpg |
AxemRedRanger posted... Does anyone REALLY think Final Fantasy I is better than Super Mario World? Not many played FFI back in the day and it isn't really considered a good game at this point. Series proxy votes? Eh who knows? --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
What are the chances of old games (NES and earlier) getting in? Super Mario Bros. 3 is pretty much a lock, but the others aren't so much. Most of the other games are fairly weak though, but games like Final Fantasy and Metroid likely only qualified because of the generation split while arcade classics like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong will be forgotten. At best I can see Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda though they will have competition within their own series, Mega Man could be forgotten altogether and Tetris is another game likely to be forgotten by nominators. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest |
The
only way they get in is if we have divisions by era. Most old games
will be really weak anyway, as previous contests have shown. We only
need a handful of them. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
Final Fantasy + Final Fantasy IV scored 10000 less votes in R2 than FF1 did by itself in R1. SMW only lost 3000. The R1 match also scored about 25000 higher. If there was an outside rally, perhaps the demographics of the voters heavily favored Final Fantasy over Nintendo. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
There was an outside rally for Battletoads in that match. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
oh look, an actual contest interesting point by charmander, i may rework my noms and add the likes of tetris, mm2 and dump the likes of super metroid and mario 3 that will get in anyway i also hope that we don't just end up with gta5 at the expense of everything else in the series --- I BLESS THE RAINS DOWN IN AFRICA |
Right, which means the answer for the mystery probably lies there instead of phantom rSFF. Also there's no way FFI > FFIV --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
The
only way they get in is if we have divisions by era. Most old games
will be really weak anyway, as previous contests have shown. We only
need a handful of them. I agree, but I'm arguing that we may only see SMB3. In the top 100 list made back in 2014 SMB3 was the only NES game and Tetris was the only pre-90s game. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest |
I'm sure people will nom Mario 1 and Zelda 1, too. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
Maybe
Final Fantasy received all of the proxy Final Fantasy votes in round 1
and anything FFIV would have brought was brought down by SNES SFF while
FFIV and FF LFF each other. However Super Mario World defeated combined Final Fantasy 59.59%-40.41% while in the first round it defeated Final Fantasy 55.46%-44.54%. I'm beginning to think Final Fantasy benefited from the rallying in round 1. Sure it was directed towards Battletoads, but that match had 17k more votes than the average match around it and I doubt all of them went to Battletoads (they finished with 18816 votes total). --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest |
Maybe
Final Fantasy did better in R1 because lots of voters knew SMW was a
lock to advance and gave their votes to other games. I could imagine
casual voters thinking two FF games posed a bigger threat to SMW
advancing and becoming more likely to vote for it. --- Congrats to 2013 Guru champ raytan! |
I've
thrown that theory around before, that a game that is a lock to win by a
lot may under perform because people know it will win and so they vote
for a game they like a lot but may not be a lock to advance. I know I've
done it in 4-ways before. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
That relies on too many assumptions for my tastes --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Battletoad's
received a rally at pretty much the beginning of the match and peaked
its percent at 2:26am at 19.65% it continued to drop without ever
increasing until 20:35 at 13.58% and they finished at 13.85%. Let's
assume that increase was due to a late rally instead of changes in
voting trends. Let's assume rallying completely died 2 hours later. From 4:26 to 20:35 Battletoads received 11.85% of the vote. If we extrapolate this it would mean Battletoads would have received 16104 votes. This means Battletoads received a total of 2712 votes for the rallies at the beginning and end of the match. This assumes there was no rallying outside of those times, but given Battletoad's vote intake it is unlikely. That leaves around 14k votes unaccounted for. In the extreme case that all of them went to Final Fantasy that would have given Super Mario World a 63.37%-36.63% win. A believable win for Super Mario World, but an unlikely scenario. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest |
pjbasis posted... That relies on too many assumptions for my tastes Well, there are very few clean explanations for 4-way weirdness but we've seen heavy favorites seemingly under perform against weak competition in round 1 and suddenly look better in round 2 on multiple occasions. --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
Nominate Final Fantasy VIII --- Leonhart posting from his phone |
