#201 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 2/22/2015 7:05:07 AM | message detail
Vivi would wreck Squall
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#202 | spooky96 | Posted 2/22/2015 7:05:12 AM | message detail
Did kinda poorly against Kirby
Got absolutely destroyed by Mewtwo (Though I guess when you're facing the greater evil-aka draven, bad seems worse)
Has been on a steady decline after losing to Snake (losing to Snake was acceptable in 2010)

While on the other side Crono seemed stronger or equal to Pikachu last contest, and Pikachu can beat the weaker half of the N9 easily but will lose to giants like Samus, Snake, Mario and Link (and now Mega Man)
#203 | spooky96 | Posted 2/22/2015 7:08:48 AM | message detail
I thought Vivi's power came totally from those rallies, idk, Vivi could beat Squall I suppose.
#204 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 2/22/2015 7:25:34 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
For all we know Mario gets anti-voted nowadays due to the series being whored out like no one's business.

How is this any different than Mario in the past? I feel he's less whored out now than he was in the past.


We got New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. U, New Super Mario Bros. 2, and Super Mario 3D World all within a span of five years. MORE than one game a year. Quite a difference from when we had to wait six years for Sunshine and then four years for the original NSMB.
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#205 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 2/22/2015 7:26:42 AM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
Did kinda poorly against Kirby
Got absolutely destroyed by Mewtwo (Though I guess when you're facing the greater evil-aka draven, bad seems worse)
Has been on a steady decline after losing to Snake (losing to Snake was acceptable in 2010)

While on the other side Crono seemed stronger or equal to Pikachu last contest, and Pikachu can beat the weaker half of the N9 easily but will lose to giants like Samus, Snake, Mario and Link (and now Mega Man)


Poorly against a Kirby who got his first two console games since the contests started, again. Not to mention Kirby stood out bigtime in the match.

Maybe it's because I (and many at the time) expected Sephiroth to lose.
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#206 | pjbasis | Posted 2/22/2015 1:25:17 PM | message detail
#207 | spooky96 | Posted 2/22/2015 1:31:41 PM | message detail
I don't know man, FF has fallen hard while Smash-Zelda-Pokemon love is all-time high at this point.
#208 | -Zelmor- | Posted 2/22/2015 1:51:00 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Pikachu isn't gonna beat Cloud 1v1


If you ask me, i am quite confident that Pikachu would wreck Cloud hard. Low votal plus the fact that 4chan would rally against Cloud/Sephiroth.

Let's not even mention how much FF7 has fallen since then, i mean losing to FF6 in a direct matchup is simply unpardonable.
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#209 | -Zelmor- | Posted 2/22/2015 1:55:20 PM | message detail
Link/Snake
Mario/Samus
Megaman
Pokemon
Crono/Sonic/Cloud/Sephiroth

Sounds about right.
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#210 | spooky96 | Posted 2/22/2015 1:58:06 PM | message detail
I'd put Snake and Mario in the same tier. MGS V can go on sell 20 million copies but on GameFAQs nothing beats Link.

>_>
#211 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 2/22/2015 2:53:42 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Pikachu isn't gonna beat Cloud 1v1


Uh we already had Squirtle beating Cloud last contest and then losing to Pikachu.
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#212 | swirIdude | Posted 2/22/2015 3:22:37 PM | message detail
If a rally occurs, Pikachu will definitely beat Cloud.

If there isn't a rally, there's still a good chance Pikachu beats Cloud. He was roughly equal to Crono in the Pikachu/Crono/Magus match (not all of Magus's votes would go to Crono if Magus was removed), and the Square trio has had nothing to boost them up since 2013.
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#213 | HaRRicH | Posted 2/22/2015 9:20:01 PM | message detail
Trainers beat Cloud/Sephiroth in the Rivalry Rumble
Squirtle beat Cloud in a three-way
Mewtwo beat Sephiroth in a three-way
Pikachu beat Sora despite Blue in a three-way

Add another year and a half for FF7 since our last contest, then remember Pikachu continues to keep his face around with Pokemon and SSB4. We can't ignore our shrinking vote totals or likelihood to see more rallies either, and RBY's probably our biggest RPG here now anyway.

It feels so wrong, but I'd gamble on Pikachu beating Cloud one-on-one.
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#214 | pjbasis | Posted 2/22/2015 9:51:27 PM | message detail
#215 | LeonhartFour | Posted 2/22/2015 10:03:33 PM | message detail
We're about to get FFVII on PS4, so Cloud and Sephy should be back to normal soon.
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#216 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/22/2015 10:05:34 PM | message detail
Today's poll should be one of the few polls (minus contest matches) this entire year that will break at least 30000 votes. Earlier in this topic, I predicted that fewer than 5 polls all year will break 30000 votes, assuming there aren't any changes to boost vote totals before the end of this year.

It's too early at this point to predict if today's poll has a chance at breaking 30000 votes, but this poll has historically received very high vote totals (compared to a baseline vote total average).
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#217 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/22/2015 11:06:36 PM | message detail
Nope, this poll isn't breaking 30000 votes. With just 2734 votes at the end of the first hour, this poll is on track to finish between 27000 and 30000 votes. It seems like only the age poll and maybe the continent poll or the Male/Female poll will be able to break 30000 votes with our current vote totals.
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#218 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 2/22/2015 11:19:27 PM | message detail
so how does this compare to the last ownership polls
#219 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/22/2015 11:25:45 PM | message detail
If all of the previous "3 console ownership" polls were translated into 2008 vote totals, here are the predicted 2008 vote totals for all of the previous polls:

1/19/2007 - 112236
4/15/2007 - 125983
8/12/2007 - 106349
7/29/2008 - 128115
3/28/2009 - 116407
9/5/2009 - 105095
4/7/2010 - 112132
3/28/2011 - 120575
10/23/2011 - 119443
5/26/2012 - 104129
2/9/2014 - 112956
8/1/2014 - 108872
11/12/2014 - 113049

If today's poll received 28000 votes, it would be equal to 107647 votes in terms of 2008 vote totals.
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#220 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 2/23/2015 7:07:35 AM | message detail
I meant the % of voters that owned a console as compared to the last time we had a console ownership poll(s), not some stupid vote total statistic
#221 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/23/2015 7:32:28 AM | message detail
Oh, that. Well, since your previous post came directly after a post where I posted how many votes this poll had at the end of the first hour, I thought you were referring to how well this poll was doing in terms of vote totals compared to the previous polls we've had in the past.

Anyways, it is utterly worthless to use this poll to get an accurate read on the ownership of the 3 consoles. The last time we had the "Got Console?" polls (near the end of last year), the PS4 had 34.99% ownership, the Wii U 44.51% ownership, and the Xbox One had 16.22% ownership.

But in today's poll, the PS4 only has 35.32% ownership, while the Wii U has 40.45% ownership, and the Xbox One has 15.05% ownership. With the exception of the PS4, the Wii U and Xbox One have a lower ownership compared to their previous "Got Console?" poll. For whatever reason, today's poll (and all of the previous polls) causes all 3 consoles to have a lower ownership compared to what they would have gotten in their respective "Got Console?" polls.
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#222 | swirIdude | Posted 2/23/2015 7:42:10 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
We're about to get FFVII on PS4, so Cloud and Sephy should be back to normal soon.


Not unless Square announces it's a full HD remake.
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#223 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/23/2015 8:26:55 PM | message detail
Huh, it looks like today's poll might just barely reach 30000 votes. We broke 29000 votes at 10:25 PM EST, with an hour and 35 minutes left to go.
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#224 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/23/2015 9:53:11 PM | message detail
30000 GET

We broke 30000 votes at 11:45 PM EST.
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#225 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/23/2015 11:06:02 PM | message detail
Yesterday's poll just barely broke 30000 votes. It will be one of less than 5 polls all year to break 30000 votes, which will also be accomplished by the age poll and maybe the continent poll and Male/Female poll.

Yesterday's poll also received the equivalent of 116168 votes in terms of 2008 vote totals.
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#226 | pjbasis | Posted 2/25/2015 4:08:01 AM | message detail
#227 | Haste_2 | Posted 2/25/2015 5:09:22 PM | message detail
OrangeCrush980 posted...
Vivi would wreck Squall


spooky96 posted...
I thought Vivi's power came totally from those rallies, idk, Vivi could beat Squall I suppose.


I still can't get over my rejoicing in Vivi's success last contest. Beating MARIO... (albeit weakened)...what percentage of brackets got that one correct again? I can't seem to find the prediction percentages on this site for the 2013 character contest.
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#228 | LeonhartFour | Posted 2/25/2015 5:16:59 PM | message detail
Haste_2 posted...
what percentage of brackets got that one correct again?


4.61%
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#229 | Ngamer64 | Posted 2/25/2015 8:37:38 PM | message detail
Krystal posted that she's working with SB to launch a site-wide Contest sometime in the next few weeks, so I brought back an old classic from 2008- the

128 Game 1v1 no division by eras petition topic, you guys can sign it here if you're on board!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/71296519

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#230 | Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2015 7:07:58 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Haste_2 posted...
what percentage of brackets got that one correct again?


4.61%


Looking at the "Most Surprising Results" page on the Board8 wiki, the Vivi/Mario/Ganondorf upset was one of only two R2 matches to make the top 25 most difficult to predict matches. The only other was... L-Block/Kirby/Kratos/Donkey Kong. It's too bad Vivi got held back by Squall against Red.... otherwise, Vivi might have scored THE biggest upset excluding L-Block and Draven.

While I'm looking at that page, I'll mention some other interesting facts. It turns out the lowest prediction percentage to come almost completely from a character's normal strength (excluding major rallies and momentum...aka Draven and L-Block) would be Cloud/Squirtle/Leon K at 2.33%, followed by Charizard's taking down Bowser. Pokemon really wrecks brackets. Excluding Pokemon as well, the lowest prediction percentage comes from Majora's Mask's championship, at 4.20%.

Interestingly, the lowest R1 1v1 prediction percentage to this day is still Yuna vs. Master Chief in 2006 at 20.27%.
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#231 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/27/2015 9:14:17 PM | message detail
Well, we're not going to get a contest announcement before the end of this month, so it would seem like either March or early April for a contest announcement. This also means we'll be having contest matches during the time period that E3 is happening, which would mean no E3 related polls this year unless Allen decides to run a second poll below the contest match (something that hasn't been done since 2008).
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#232 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/27/2015 10:11:12 PM | message detail
Well, damn. Because of today's poll, we're not going to make it through an entire calendar month without a single poll getting less than 20000 votes. The previous 27 polls all had at least 21000 votes or higher, but today's poll has such awful vote totals already that I'm already projecting less than 20000 votes today.
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#233 | LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2015 4:26:27 AM | message detail
Haste_2 posted...
Interestingly, the lowest R1 1v1 prediction percentage to this day is still Yuna vs. Master Chief in 2006 at 20.27%.


That would be Sub-Zero vs. Master Chief.

And I still can't believe to this day so few people picked it on B8. That's usually the type of upset B8 destroys the casuals on, but nope, apparently Lopen somehow had everyone fooled that Master Chief could swing 5000 votes with the day vote if necessary...!
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#234 | charmander6000 | Posted 2/28/2015 7:30:17 AM | message detail
I think the average person here looked at Scorpion and felt Sub-Zero would be equal to weaker to him.

Though in hindsight this was the guy that needed a large comeback to defeat Donkey Kong in the previous year so you would think the match would have been more debatable.
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#235 | LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2015 2:32:15 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
I think the average person here looked at Scorpion and felt Sub-Zero would be equal to weaker to him.


Which I said from the beginning was total nonsense because Sub-Zero was always the most popular MK character.

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#236 | Haste_2 | Posted 2/28/2015 3:44:05 PM | message detail
I picked MC because I was foolish enough to think that MC and DK really grew as much as the x-stats suggested from Halo 2 and the Nintendo boost, respectively.
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#237 | LeonhartFour | Posted 3/1/2015 3:27:02 AM | message detail
Pffft, Master Chief actually dropped from his 2004 number...!
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#238 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/3/2015 2:18:50 AM | message detail
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#239 | Haste_2 | Posted 3/3/2015 3:05:12 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Pffft, Master Chief actually dropped from his 2004 number...!


Ah, the days when we thought Frog and Magus were worth 32%/35% on Link... I find it strange, though, even adjusting Magus down, Magus went from a victory over Ganondorf in 2003, yet only four years later would have struggled to beat Pac-Man. Talk about a nosedive. Frog and Crono slid, but seemingly not that much. I could go into many x-stats and match comparisons right now, but I'm probably the last person on Earth to still have interest in x-stats that are 10+ years old.
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#240 | LeonhartFone | Posted 3/3/2015 3:38:28 PM | message detail
The thing that confused us about Magus is that Ganon probably boosted significantly in 2004 due to TP hype like Link did. There was just no real way to know because LOL Link/Ganon and Crono/Magus.
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#241 | charmander6000 | Posted 3/3/2015 3:53:06 PM | message detail
Yeah, Tidus was probably a better measuring stick than Ganondorf (adjusted base off of Alucard) in 2004.

Even then Magus would've been ahead of Knuckles.
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#242 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/3/2015 11:11:27 PM | message detail
Excellent vote totals in today's poll. With 2761 votes at the end of the first hour, this poll could possibly break 30000 votes. This is going to finish somewhere between 27000 and 31000 votes.
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#243 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 3/4/2015 10:56:35 AM | message detail
Haste_2 posted...
I could go into many x-stats and match comparisons right now, but I'm probably the last person on Earth to still have interest in x-stats that are 10+ years old.


Yeah, better to save topic space for Luster to analyze more polls.

I'd love to see some x-stats nostalgia.
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#244 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 3/4/2015 1:23:38 PM | message detail | (edited)
50.00 Sephiroth 2003
38.82 Mega Man 2003
36.10 Solid Snake 2003
33.24 Solid Snake 2004 assuming Mega Man 2003 = Mega Man 2004
32.35 Ganondorf 2004 assuming Alucard 2003 = Alucard 2004
27.89 Magus 2003 assuming Tidus 2003 = Tidus 2004
27.72 Ganondorf 2003 assuming Tidus 2003 = Tidus 2004
27.72 Alucard 2003
27.34 Tidus 2004 assuming Mega Man 2003 = Mega Man 2004
26.90 Shadow 2004 assuming Mega Man 2003 = Mega Man 2004
26.90 Knuckles 2004 assuming Mega Man 2003 = Mega Man 2004
26.62 Knuckles 2003

looks roughly right as to how strong everyone "really" was.
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#245 | Haste_2 | Posted 3/4/2015 10:01:11 PM | message detail
One issue I have with basing 2003 Ganondorf/Magus off of 2004 Tidus is the extent of Ganondorf's required growth....28% to 35% on BL over two years seems like an awful lot, and it's a lot more than Zelda's boost. Still, comparing Sam Fisher's performances between DK and Magus seems to indicate that massive boost....

I don't object with any of your numbers, ARR.

Four-pack time! Assume 1v1 matches here.

Vivi
Crono
Squall
Tifa
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#246 | LeonhartFour | Posted 3/4/2015 10:03:47 PM | message detail
Sam Fisher is probably the most stable one to use, actually.
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#247 | -Zelmor- | Posted 3/5/2015 12:33:23 AM | message detail
Tifa > Crono > Vivi > Squall
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#248 | Azp2k32 | Posted 3/5/2015 10:08:41 PM | message detail
Okay, this is actually a pretty awesome poll. Perhaps my favorite random poll we've had so far.
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#249 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/6/2015 10:44:34 AM | message detail
Well, the vote totals for this poll aren't so hot after all. This poll is on track for about 16000 votes. Not counting that Super Bowl poll we had about a month ago (which got about 12000 votes), today's poll easily has the worst vote totals for a non-GotY poll.
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#250 | bwburke94 | Posted 3/7/2015 2:37:24 PM | message detail
16650 votes so far today. Yesterday seemed to be an anomaly.
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