#351 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/1/2015 8:38:54 AM | message detail
While port might not be the right word you could tell Nintendo had Smash as WiiU first and 3DS second
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#352 | swordz9 | Posted 1/1/2015 8:49:15 AM | message detail
Weren't they originally not even making a Wii U version? I thought I heard Smash was intended to be just 3DS and then somebody at Nintendo stepped in.
#353 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/1/2015 8:50:48 AM | message detail | (edited)
I think it's pretty clearly multiplatform.

I wish Allen would go back to the 2012 format, that was great. Especially with how bad most platform's lineups were. Which makes me wonder what will win system of the year. Does the Wii U have a shot? It should at least beat the other gen 8 systems, although maybe the PS3 (hilarious when you think about it) or PC will take it.

swordz9 posted...
Weren't they originally not even making a Wii U version? I thought I heard Smash was intended to be just 3DS and then somebody at Nintendo stepped in.


What? It was confirmed as multiplatform from the moment it was announced, before full development even began all the way back in E3 2011. When the Wii U was first announced as well. It was always on both.
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#354 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/1/2015 9:09:38 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Weren't they originally not even making a Wii U version? I thought I heard Smash was intended to be just 3DS and then somebody at Nintendo stepped in.


this misquoted thing was from before development ever began, so no

also what was the 2012 format for GOTY?
#355 | spooky96 | Posted 1/1/2015 9:39:01 AM | message detail
woah so the next contest will have like 10k votes in a 12 hours match

that's bad

very bad.
#356 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/1/2015 9:50:15 AM | message detail
Genres instead of platforms. Also bonus categories for best review and FAQ on GameFAQs which were nice. Got people to take a look at those when they usually wouldn't have.

I liked it a lot because it stopped rampant SFF and the final poll felt like more of a true representation. Plus so few non-Nintendo games are exclusives nowadays that system awards feel strange. That way you can have all the best games in the final poll rather than having fewer games due to one game winning the poll for multiple systems. Whatever wins for PS4 will probably win for Xbox One and maybe even PC, same for the PS3 and 360. At this rate we'll end up with a final poll consisting of 5 games. On the other hand games like Bravely Default and Bayonetta would probably win genre polls but are getting fed to Smash Bros. System awards just don't work nowadays.
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#357 | spooky96 | Posted 1/1/2015 9:51:20 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Genres instead of platforms. Also bonus categories for best review and FAQ on GameFAQs which were nice. Got people to take a look at those when they usually wouldn't have.

I liked it a lot because it stopped rampant SFF and the final poll felt like more of a true representation. Plus so few non-Nintendo games are exclusives nowadays that system awards feel strange. That way you can have all the best games in the final poll rather than having fewer games due to one game winning the poll for multiple systems. Whatever wins for PS4 will probably win for Xbox One and maybe even PC, same for the PS3 and 360. At this rate we'll end up with a final poll consisting of 5 games. On the other hand games like Bravely Default and Bayonetta would probably win genre polls but are getting fed to Smash Bros. System awards just don't work nowadays.


those will get like 2k votes.
#358 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/1/2015 10:02:07 AM | message detail | (edited)
And? There's more to life than vote totals. Sorry Luster.

Although I do think the vote total doom and gloom is premature. I feel the harsh drop in this poll is largely due to the fact that the 3DS just didn't have a very good year. Let's see how the others, specifically the final poll, go. There was very little change between 2012 and 2013, this year might not be too much different.
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#359 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/1/2015 11:00:32 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
There's more to life than vote totals.


Maybe, but it's hard to get excited when the vote totals are this low.
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#360 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/1/2015 12:48:44 PM | message detail
So the final match will include 2 Smash games? That is the same game?
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#361 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/1/2015 12:53:20 PM | message detail
We don't know. We can only guess right now.
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#362 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/1/2015 12:54:30 PM | message detail
Even if both versions are included separately, I feel like one version of Smash Bros. will be included in the final GOTY poll as long as they get a large combined percentage between the two of them.
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#363 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/1/2015 1:24:33 PM | message detail | (edited)
LeonhartFour posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
There's more to life than vote totals.


Maybe, but it's hard to get excited when the vote totals are this low.


Well as I said, the gloom and doom over the vote totals is a little premature, let's wait for the final poll first.

Anyway, I'm more curious about interesting questions and answers rather than a large number of votes.
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#364 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/1/2015 1:25:41 PM | message detail
They are still going to be low, even if they "spike" up to 30,000.
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#365 | pjbasis | Posted 1/1/2015 1:30:24 PM | message detail
The answers aren't interesting when they're a result of low votals.

Like I don't think it's interesting that Pokemon can wipe the floor with everyone else. Not just because of my distaste with the result, but more because it's a result of the demographics left than any sort of natural change in opinion.
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#366 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/1/2015 1:33:05 PM | message detail
Eh, the vote totals don't change the results too much, with exceptions. The site has always had this demographic representation. Pokémon was wrecking everything at the site's peak, for instance.

Like I said, wait to see how all the polls compare to last year's, I'm not convinced this poll is going to be representative of all of them.
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#367 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/1/2015 3:15:50 PM | message detail
Vote totals being low is a bad thing unless it leads to results I like.
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#368 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/1/2015 3:16:20 PM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Vote totals being low is a bad thing unless it leads to results I like.


And it isn't...!
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#369 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/1/2015 4:20:19 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Anyway, Bravely Default might take this. It's looking pretty damn good, and would be a deserved winner if it weren't released in 2013.


It was only a 2013 release outside of North America. But since North America makes up the majority of this site, it is treated as a 2014 game instead.
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#370 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/1/2015 4:26:59 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Genres instead of platforms. Also bonus categories for best review and FAQ on GameFAQs which were nice. Got people to take a look at those when they usually wouldn't have.


The categories for best review and best FAQ were absolutely terrible. Best Review barely surpassed 10000 votes and this was in early 2013 where the vote totals for non-GotY polls were around 40000 votes, so Best Review got only 25% of the vote totals we would have normally gotten on average for a non-GotY poll. Even a Mobile Game poll during the GotY 2012 polls would have gotten more votes than Best Review. And Best FAQ was also pretty bad, although that poll was just slightly under 18000 votes.
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#371 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/1/2015 9:01:25 PM | message detail
I'm surprised there was an actual PS3 poll this year, as I assumed the release of the PS4 would mean fewer games coming out on PS3 (even they are also available on PS4). I thought a combined PS3/PS4 poll would make more sense than a standalone PS3 poll.
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#372 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 1/1/2015 9:02:59 PM | message detail
So many JRPG HD collections to choose from.
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#373 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/1/2015 9:05:33 PM | message detail
It's kind of weird to see KH regularly beat FF in polls like this, especially considering we're going on 9 years since the last time we've had a console KH that wasn't an HD collection.
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#374 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/1/2015 9:10:44 PM | message detail | (edited)
Dark Souls II looks really disappointing in today's poll, as that was one game I had on watch as a game that might upset SSB4 in the overall GotY poll. I suspect Dark Souls II will likely appear in the 360 poll as well and have a second chance to appear in the overall GotY poll.

And maybe I spoke too soon, as it had a horrible board vote and is most likely on track to win today's poll.
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#375 | Articuno2001 | Posted 1/1/2015 9:40:28 PM | message detail
haha an atelier game made the poll

not my favorite of the games listed but I voted for it anyway
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#376 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/1/2015 10:11:26 PM | message detail
Today's poll has 1830 votes after the first hour, so it is doing slightly better than the 3DS poll. Using the same calculations I used to estimate yesterday's vote totals, here are the same projections for some of the other categories if Bacon uses the same categories from last year:

20567 - PlayStation 3
10200 - PlayStation Vita
14403 - Wii U
14255 - Xbox 360
14114 - PC
7984 - Mobile
13992 - Download Only
21286 - Game of the Year
25928 - Game of the Year (Final)
23566 - System of the Year

Mobile would easily be the worst poll, possibly getting under 8000 votes. I think that's a little low for the Mobile poll, as this year's Mobile poll will actually have a notable game in Hearthstone. The Vita poll could also have a chance at getting under 10000 votes as well. Wii U will probably beat that projection as well due to higher Wii U ownership + SSB4 being Wii U's most notable game.
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#377 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/2/2015 12:47:13 PM | message detail
South Park confirmed to be better than Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy.
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#378 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/2/2015 2:30:40 PM | message detail
So do you think South Park will do better or worse against DS2 once we hit the 360 poll?
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#379 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/2/2015 8:56:25 PM | message detail
can the PS3 poll pass 19k votes on the final update? stay tuned

probably will lol
#380 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2015 9:02:36 PM | message detail
And it did. The PS3 was slightly behind the 3DS poll in vote totals. Without a heavy hitter such as "The Last of Us" in this year's PS3 poll, there was no notable PS3 game that would have given it the edge over the 3DS poll in vote totals.
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#381 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2015 9:12:50 PM | message detail
Wow, this PS4 poll is pretty bad. The top 2 games right now are upgraded ports of last-gen games. It would be pretty weird to see GTA V in two different GotY polls, or "The Last of Us" reappearing in another GotY poll under the form of an upgraded port.

Dragon Age: Inquisition is still within striking range to win this poll, especially if it had a bad board vote to start off this poll.
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#382 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/2/2015 9:16:57 PM | message detail
Surprised Dragon Age isn't destroying this poll
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#383 | abdou | Posted 1/2/2015 9:21:43 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Surprised Dragon Age isn't destroying this poll


I'm not. The game was very very disappointing. It wasn't even a true Dragon Age game. More like a MMO disguised as a single player game.
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#384 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/2/2015 9:23:07 PM | message detail
What kind of board vote did GTA V and The Last of Us have last year?
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#385 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2015 9:25:42 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
What kind of board vote did GTA V and The Last of Us have last year?


https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdGEwVlRnV3FIUC05SjQ2VWpNVHQzN2c&gid=1

To my surprise, GTA V actually had a pretty good board vote and then dropped off after the board vote. The Last of Us sucked at the board vote and Zelda had a very strong board vote.
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#386 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/2/2015 10:02:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
I'm bored, so random electoral college crap on the PS3 poll because it was close in the US between Dark Souls and Kingdom Hearts

Kingdom Hearts (19.09%): 256 (CA, TX, FL, NY, GA, MI, NC, NJ, TN, WI, KY, MS, AK, MT, SD)
Dark Souls (19.62%): 189 (PA, IL, OH, VA, WA, AZ, IN, MA, MD, SC, AL, LA, OK, NV, UT, KS, AR, IA)
Other (either tied or another game): 90 (MN, MO, CO, OR, CT, NM, NE, WV, ID, HI, RI, NH, ME, WY, ND, DE, VT)
dunno where it is: 3 (DC)

also Ohio would have 4 games between 18-19%

edit: 1504 votes after the first hour this time
#387 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2015 10:02:49 PM | message detail
Vote totals for this PS4 poll are certainly down compared to the PS3 poll. With only 1504 votes at the end of the first hour, this poll is on track to finish between 14000 and 17000 votes.

The upcoming Xbox One poll (in the next few days) may also be a possible candidate to finish with under 10000 votes, due to the extreme unpopularity of the Xbox One and the low ownership of the system. It should receive higher vote totals than the Mobile poll, though.
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#388 | pjbasis | Posted 1/3/2015 2:48:40 AM | message detail
No infamous.

Can someone please help bacon out with these polls.

I expect Bayonetta 2 to miss the Wii U poll
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#389 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 1/3/2015 2:49:48 AM | message detail
I just noticed Allen put neither Destiny, Watchdogs, nor AssCreed Unity in today's poll.

Sure, they were slightly disappointing, but I still feel they should have been there. Allen really fails with the poll choices this year.
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#390 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/3/2015 3:17:27 AM | message detail
Pretty sure Destiny and Unity will show up in the multiplatform polls.

Watch Dogs is kind of iffy though. It's kind of been forgotten.
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#391 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/3/2015 3:58:11 AM | message detail
I thought Dragon Age would win easily. I know Last of Us is an awesome game but it came out in 2013, why vote for it again?
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#392 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/3/2015 4:07:01 AM | message detail
There's not going to be a multiplatform poll, as all of these games (except technically The Last of Us Remastered) are multiplatform. Literally every single one.

The really weird thing is no Infamous. I mean I know it didn't get a great reception but it not being on over things like Guilty Gear and Towerfall is just strange.
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#393 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/3/2015 4:16:03 AM | message detail
Maybe we should petition Allen to run a "Games I totally forgot about" poll
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#394 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/3/2015 4:32:31 AM | message detail
I don't think he forgot. I don't think any of those three belong on a best of poll.
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#395 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/3/2015 4:39:44 AM | message detail
I can't wait for the Xbox One poll where The Last of Us Remastered is replaced with The Master Chief Collection. I'm sure that'll really shake up the current results.
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#396 | pjbasis | Posted 1/3/2015 4:41:01 AM | message detail
This is a popularity poll of course they do.

They'd all probably get more votes than call of duty for one.
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#397 | pjbasis | Posted 1/3/2015 4:42:21 AM | message detail
Just looked at the poll again they definitely would.
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#398 | spooky96 | Posted 1/3/2015 6:04:58 AM | message detail
For some reason I just think that Allen has lost interest in the website lately (like for the past few years). Half of the projects never happen, the projects which do get done are always delayed, half of the years we went dry with no contests.

Yeah sure the traffic has increased but that has nothing to do with Allen, as he said, this is the google era, you want something and you google it. So just a few minutes of traffic to the walkthroughs isn't getting this website anywhere.

By January 2016 5-10k vote totals would be a regular thing.
#399 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/3/2015 8:38:22 AM | message detail
With another full year of polls behind us, I finally updated the average vote totals for each year so far. Here is the new list, with 2014 included:

1999 - 4408
2000 - 7062
2001 - 14019
2002 - 34435
2003 - 55397
2004 - 54598
2005 - 56643
2006 - 74644
2007 - 87908
2008 - 91112
2009 - 85797
2010 - 72588
2011 - 56882
2012 - 42981
2013 - 36506
2014 - 27323

We're still above 2001 vote totals, but easily below 2002 vote totals. And the average vote totals for 2014 don't really tell the whole story as we were slightly above 30000 votes to start the year and finished the year averaging around 22800 votes. Overall, the drop off in vote totals from 2013 to 2014 (down by 25.15%) is just slightly worse than the drop off from 2011 to 2012 (down by 24.44%).

Averaging less than 10000 votes a day is not likely to happen at all. At some point, the drop in vote totals will eventually hit rock bottom.
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#400 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/3/2015 10:15:25 AM | message detail
In 2008 the average poll had over 91.000 votes! Things surely change.
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