#301 | Safer_777 | Posted 12/21/2014 4:21:57 PM | message detail
According to this list 3 out of the 4 top games are zelda games. Man!
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#302 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/21/2014 6:51:30 PM | message detail
I've got one too. Games in the top two tiers are kind of ordered within each tier but the others aren't:

1. God Tier:
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
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2. Elite Tier
Pokemon RBY
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Super Mario 64
Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Smash Brothers Melee
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy X
Super Smash Brothers Brawl
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Mario Bros.

3. Near-elite Tier:
Legend of Zelda
Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Pokemon GSC
Goldeneye
Final Fantasy IX
Kingdom Hearts I
Kingdom Hearts II
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 3
Resident Evil 4
Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

4. High-midcard:
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario RPG
Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Metroid Prime
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy Tactics
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 4
Half-Life 2
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Fallout 3
Portal
Mass Effect 2
Shadow of the Colossus
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#303 | spooky96 | Posted 12/21/2014 8:05:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
Nanis23 posted...
I do wonder if Skyrim really is powerful today as it was in the year it was released...


Probably not, though I'm sure it'll be at least as impressive as Fallout 3 was in GotD.

LinkMarioSamus posted...
It's difficult to see MGS4 or Skyward Sword being worth much. Also in that case where the heck is SOTC in the conversation?

Don't have much faith in Arkham City myself.

A new games contest would be quite interesting indeed.


I see all MGS games to around the same power with 3 having the edge. As I said, some assumptions thrown in there. However, Arkham Asylum did pretty decent against Fallout 3, and Arkham City is pretty much universally more liked and considered to be the better game. With western games on the rise, I don't see Arkham City being much weaker than where I've put it.

Oh and yeah, forgot SotC. It'd probably be around the 5th - 6th tier.


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While obviously we can't base any game's power, I doubt any Mario game is powerful enough to challenge R/BY.

And never trust anything from Pokemon besides R/B/Y. Games like FF8 definitely have a shot at G/S/C.
#304 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/21/2014 9:22:53 PM | message detail
No disagreement from me on RBY > any Mario. I think the stronger ones would only get pushed down to around 45% at worst, though.

GSC isn't RBY-strong but it's clearly looked more powerful than the later generations. It did just as well as Wind Waker against Majora's Mask. GSC being a tier above FFVIII also has something to do with my opinion on the latter. Squall's 2013 performance, that Final Fantasy series poll from Thursday, and DDJ's top 100 list give me several reasons to think it's gotten significantly weaker. Looking at my list again though, I do have some doubts about Goldeneye and the Kingdom Hearts games being notably if at all above FFVIII.
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#305 | spooky96 | Posted 12/21/2014 10:10:09 PM | message detail
Well, low vote totals kind of makes DDJ'S list more relevant. I don't know how much votes we'll get in a 12 hours match, 15,000? Yeah something like that. All MGS games can probably beat KH games, have no idea how Goldeneye would do and,, well its really kinda hard to gauge pokemon games. Any way, match ups will matter a lot and random things always happen. (Fun part of the contest except for last year's)
#306 | -Zelmor- | Posted 12/21/2014 11:15:52 PM | message detail
Looks like Nintendo has potential to take up all of the top 10 spots. If that's the case, then at least i am glad this site is dying.
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#307 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/22/2014 1:40:05 AM | message detail
If anything, we have more variety than five-ten years ago since I see Skyrim as a top ten contender (though near the bottom of that list), and League of Legends if you count that.
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#308 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/22/2014 1:55:21 AM | message detail
Going by the list the positions of Brawl, TP, GoldenEye, MGS4, Skyward Sword, and Oblivion are VERY suspect. And considering how different things turned out to be last contest, there's probably a good chance things have changed a great deal as far as the site's preferred games, so our site's own new top 100 might be a better indicator of how a new games contest would go than past contest results.
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#309 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/22/2014 10:02:52 AM | message detail
-Zelmor- posted...
Looks like Nintendo has potential to take up all of the top 10 spots. If that's the case, then at least i am glad this site is dying.


Going off THE LIST (lol), it's only 5 of the top 10.

It's rather suspicious to rely on that list though considering what happened last time. On the other hand, if we had a contest next year then the list would be only a year old as opposed to last time where the list was four years old.

Also, we've seen evidence for Brawl/TP/MGS4 declining anyway. Then there's Metroid Prime beasting in GOTD despite its poor perfornace in '09, the list and Samus's strong showing last character battle (though this might have been more her opponents being weak, who knows) seems to suggest that Prime kept its newfound strength but it's anyone's guess.
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#310 | HaRRicH | Posted 12/22/2014 2:27:28 PM | message detail
I believe in Skyrim. It doubled LoZ:SS in its 2011-GotY, which was the only time a console LoZ-title has lost here -- even LoZ:LBW won as a handheld last year. Skyrim also impressed in the GotG-poll a year later; it nearly doubled Mass Effect 2 and I think it could beat Brawl today...definitely feel good about it against Fallout 3, and FO3 almost had 46% on Brawl. Throw in the WRPGs have overtaken JRPGs, and Skyrim has every reason to go far.

Now, whether or not LoZ:SS is respectable competition is a different discussion (or ME2, post-ME3), but it's acceptable to say Skyrim is far beyond them.
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#311 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 12/22/2014 2:33:39 PM | message detail
The big thing to worry about is that it might have quickly plummeted in strength. MGS4 used to be huge and strong in contests, but now people are lukewarm towards it and it's a lot weaker. Skyrim shouldn't have dropped nearly that much, but this is NostalgiaFAQs...
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#312 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/22/2014 11:52:57 PM | message detail
Skyrim is still big and people are still talking about it.
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#313 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/23/2014 5:36:43 AM | message detail
List of polls for the rest of this year:

12/24/2014 - 'Twas the night before Christmas, and what are you doing?
12/25/2014 - What did you get for Christmas (or another December holiday)?
12/26/2014 - Got 3DS?
12/27/2014 - Got Vita?
12/28/2014 - Got PlayStation 4?
12/29/2014 - Got Xbox One?
12/30/2014 - Got Wii U?
12/31/2014 - Got Smartphone?
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#314 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/23/2014 6:01:01 AM | message detail
Resident Evil 4's 10th anniversary is next month.

I'll submit a "have you played" poll for it but the date will probably overlap with the GOTY polls.
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#315 | HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2014 9:51:51 AM | message detail
Whatever RE4's play rate is, I bet it's the highest of anything in the survival horror genre.

About GotY: it looks pretty obvious SSB4 will win, even if they are split into separate 3DS and Wii U options. Wii U is the "complete" game, but it seems hard to believe a Wii U game would be allowed to win GotY and we did just see our first handheld-GotY last year. Should there be a poll putting the two versions together, which do you take?
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#316 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/23/2014 9:57:21 AM | message detail
Only to see how the split would look like.

Will the 3DS version hold its own or will it get 90/10 by the WiiU version?
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#317 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 12/23/2014 9:59:53 AM | message detail
I think the Wii U version stomps due to people being bitter about Ice Climbers. Also while handhelds have come a long ways, most people still see them as second-rate to home consoles and/or PCs, with quite a few people flat out hating them.
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#318 | HaRRicH | Posted 12/23/2014 10:09:21 AM | message detail
OrangeCrush980 posted...
while handhelds have come a long ways, most people still see them as second-rate to home consoles and/or PCs, with quite a few people flat out hating them.


While fair about handhelds, you could say the same for how people feel about the Wii U. I don't know that the Wii U's playrate will be big enough to make this clear-cut, though I could see people "respect-voting" the Wii U-version even though they didn't play that version.

For what it's worth:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5651-got-super-smash-bros-for-nintendo-3ds
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5700-got-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u
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#319 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/23/2014 6:57:17 PM | message detail | (edited)
HaRRicH posted...
While fair about handhelds, you could say the same for how people feel about the Wii U. I don't know that the Wii U's playrate will be big enough to make this clear-cut, though I could see people "respect-voting" the Wii U-version even though they didn't play that version.


The original Wii had about 58% ownership at the time that Brawl was released. The Wii U however, is looking like it will have around 40% ownership at the time SSB4 it was released. We'll see what happens in a week from now when we get to see another update on the Wii U's ownership. Mario Kart 8 had almost no impact at all during our last Wii U poll, but that was more of a casual game that wasn't likely to get the GameFAQs crowd on board with Wii U. What kind of impact SSB4 had on Wii U ownership is still unknown at this point, but it should fare better than MK8 in terms of getting GameFAQs on board.

2014 is definitely a much weaker year than 2008. Fallout 3 and MGS4 should be much stronger games than the top 2 games that SSB4 will have to face off against. 2014 is a pretty weak year since it's the first full year for PS4 and Xbox One and ownership of those consoles are pretty low, on top of having fewer games for PS3 and 360 (which do have good ownership).

Out of any games that could upset SSB4 in the overall GotY poll, Dragon Age: Inquisition and Dark Souls II are the 2 games to watch here.
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#320 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/25/2014 12:02:27 AM | message detail
Poll updates and trend charts for yesterday's poll:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdGxIWVUxVDdPQ212dUNiTGEtZFNETXc&gid=1

Despite this poll happening almost every year since 2008, it never occured to me that this is a poll worth tracking until I saw the GameFAQs poll graph for last year's poll and quickly noticed the huge trend shift in the morning vote. I finally tracked this poll for the first time. Last year's trends were acquired by using the vote total data that GameFAQs uses to create the poll graphs. Yesterday's poll will also be the last time that I will be tracking poll updates for the rest of this year (until the GotY polls start).

"Playing online multiplayer" has a god awful board vote, but ended up with a slightly below average Power Hour. It performed best during the night vote and also the day vote, but it had a slightly below average morning vote. It also had a bad SNV as well.

"Playing multiplayer with friends/family" had the most consistent trends over the course of this entire poll.

"Playing a game by myself" had a strong board vote and Power Hour. It continued to remain strong during the night vote. It reached its maximum lead of 163 over "Spending time with friends or family" at 4:10 AM. After that point in time, "Spending time with friends or family" started cutting into that lead and took the lead at 7:20 AM and never looked back for the rest of this poll. "Playing a game by myself" dropped off hard during the morning vote, which was its worst time period. It did perform slightly better during the day vote. The SNV was slightly better than the day vote, but it wasn't quite as strong as the FNV. Outside of the Power Hour itself, "Playing a game by myself" had its highest percentage of 33.94% at 1:10 AM. After 1:10 AM, it lost a total of 3.80% for the rest of this poll, although the percentage remained fairly stable for the last 7 hours of this poll.

"Spending time with friends or family" had the most extreme trends here. It was absolutely god awful during the board vote and Power Hour. The night vote was slightly better than the Power Hour, but it was still pretty bad. This option went absolutely berserk during the morning vote, with hours in the mid to high 40's. It dropped off somewhat during the afternoon and evening hours, but even those hours were still better than its awful night vote. Outside of the Power Hour, this option had its lowest percentage of 30.03% at 1:10 AM. After that point in time, it gained a total of 8.59% to reach its maximum percentage of 38.62% at 5:20 PM. After 5:20 PM, it lost a very small amount of percentage over the remainder of the poll.

The amount of percentage that "Spending time with friends or family" gained during this poll is on par with North America's percentage gain in the continent poll. But unlike in the continent poll, "Spending time with friends or family" started off really bad at the start. North America started off strong in the continent poll and ended strong, with its worst time being the overnight hours.

"Spending time online with my favorite sites" had trends that were very similar to "Playing a game by myself". Good board vote and Power Hour. It dropped off slightly during the night vote, but even that was an above average time period. It performed worst during the morning vote. The day vote was a slight improvement over the morning vote, with the SNV being slightly better than the day vote. The SNV wasn't quite as good as the FNV, though.

"Still shopping, for myself or others" had a good board vote and Power Hour. Fairly average night vote. The morning vote was slightly above average. The day vote was pretty bad, but it was the SNV that was the absolute worst time period for "Still shopping, for myself or others".
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#321 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/25/2014 9:07:20 PM | message detail
68.12% ownership for the 3DS at the freeze in today's poll. At this point, 3DS ownership has come very close to reaching the upper limits of its potential ownership on this site. The DS reached a maximum ownership of 72.14% and it looks like the 3DS should be on track to reach that number before it stops rising.
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#322 | pjbasis | Posted 12/25/2014 9:28:35 PM | message detail | (edited)
Kinda hate how the poll obscures the Old vs New 3DS demographics.

I'm more interested in that than regular vs XL size.
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#323 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/25/2014 9:35:06 PM | message detail
New 3DS isn't even out in North America and Europe yet, so the ownership of the New 3DS would be extremely low. It's not a big deal that there aren't separate options for the New 3DS and New 3DS XL.
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#324 | pjbasis | Posted 12/25/2014 9:35:50 PM | message detail
Oh it's not?

I guess I'm not up to date with these things
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#325 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/26/2014 9:26:59 PM | message detail
The 3DS finished yesterday's poll with 67.17%. This was only slightly higher than the 3DS's ownership back when we had these polls during July. It's strange that ownership didn't increase more than that because we had SSB4 coming out on the 3DS earlier this year. I guess the announcement of the New 3DS a few months ago has caused some potential 3DS buyers to hold off on their purchase until the New 3DS is out. We'll see what happens when we have another 3DS poll in July of next year.

I updated the ownership on the ownership spreadsheet just now:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdDZFV2I1SFl4VXFDMjQ2RmJqUXJTd0E
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#326 | abdou | Posted 12/27/2014 8:24:20 AM | message detail
can we start expecting a contest announcement soon? we are few days away from 'beginning of 2015' so I am hoping for an announcement in January
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#327 | spooky96 | Posted 12/27/2014 12:55:17 PM | message detail
abdou posted...
can we start expecting a contest announcement soon? we are few days away from 'beginning of 2015' so I am hoping for an announcement in January


that's exactly what he said for the 2013 contest yet we got it around june-july. i don't expect any kind of announcement till the next 2-3 months.
#328 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/28/2014 8:53:09 PM | message detail
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#329 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/28/2014 9:40:53 PM | message detail
The Vita now has an ownership of 32.68% in the most recent Vita poll. After nearly 3 years on the market, the Vita is slightly behind the PSP in ownership over its first 3 years on the market. PSP had 35.36% ownership near the end of 2007. The PSP would eventually go on to reach a maximum ownership of 53.23% on this site, so the Vita could very well end up with around 50% ownership someday.

The PS4 finished yesterday's poll with 34.99% ownership, almost an 11% increase over the previous PS4 poll. The PS4 also finished with a higher ownership than the Wii U during their first years on the market. Wii U only had 30.22% ownership after one year on the market.

Updated ownership numbers - https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdDZFV2I1SFl4VXFDMjQ2RmJqUXJTd0E
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#330 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/29/2014 4:05:21 PM | message detail
In slightly under 5 hours from now, we will have our Wii U poll. This will allow us to see what impact SSB4 had on Wii U ownership on this site. In my opinion, there are 4 separate ownership ranges I could see for the Wii U in tomorrow's poll.

Less than 45% ownership - Completely unacceptable when your biggest system seller can't even save the Wii U. Probably dead in the water with this kind of result.
45-49% ownership - Okay, but I suppose it could be better. Wii U isn't completely finished yet and should end up with a good ownership rate on this site.
49-55% ownership - Excellent. SSB4 has definitely done its job at increasing the Wii U's ownership on this site.
Over 55% ownership - Amazing. SSB4 has been a bigger success than I give it credit for. Also puts Wii U very close to the original Wii's ownership at the time Brawl was released.
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#331 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/29/2014 8:29:23 PM | message detail | (edited)
Resident Evil 4 10-year anniversary poll submitted.

Some other multiple-of-five anniversaries for the next few months:
-25th anniversary of Mario 3's U.S. release on February 12th.
-20th anniversary of Chrono Trigger (original Japanese release) on March 11th.
-10th anniversary of God of War on March 22nd.
-15th anniversary of Majora's Mask (original Japanese release) on April 27th. The 3DS version is supposed to come out around that time, too.
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#332 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/29/2014 9:08:21 PM | message detail | (edited)
0 voters in the Philippines have an Xbox One.
1 in 124 voters might pick one up in 2015.
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#333 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/29/2014 9:10:05 PM | message detail
16.22% ownership for the Xbox One in yesterday's poll. Despite Microsoft's aggressive price cut and all of the amazing bundles during Black Friday, GameFAQs wasn't biting on the Xbox One here.


Wii U has 46.50% ownership at the freeze. That ownership number falls into the range that I consider to be "okay", although the Wii U is definitely going to perform awful during the night vote, so it will probably finish under 45% ownership.
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#334 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/31/2014 12:03:05 AM | message detail
The Wii U finished with 44.51% ownership in yesterday's poll. It ended up with less than 45%, which makes SSB4 a failure at boosting Wii U ownership. A lot of the increase was probably a natural increase in ownership that wasn't tied to the release of SSB4.

Updated ownership numbers - https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdDZFV2I1SFl4VXFDMjQ2RmJqUXJTd0E

We are less than 24 hours away from the start of the first GotY polls for 2014. Here were the 2013 polls - http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll?search=BEST+OF+2013

The categories change from year to year, so we can't reliably predict what tomorrow's poll will be. If that one exploit for viewing the poll question of future polls (currently queued in the database) didn't get fixed a few months ago, I would have been able to figure out tomorrow's poll.
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#335 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/31/2014 9:11:23 AM | message detail
I can't believe the last full games contest was 5 years ago. As far a space between that one and now as between that one and the first games contest. Poor FFVII.......
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#336 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/31/2014 10:45:13 AM | message detail
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#337 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/31/2014 11:48:55 AM | message detail
I don't think Wii U did too badly. Since the console polls in early July, the gap between Wii U and PS4 ownership has only declined from 11.65% to 9.52%. And more people on this site actually got a Wii U for Christmas than a PS4.
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#338 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/31/2014 3:55:00 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
And more people on this site actually got a Wii U for Christmas than a PS4.


If you were to look at the actual "Got Console?" polls for both systems, that would be the case. However, this poll says otherwise:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5734-
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#339 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/31/2014 9:08:22 PM | message detail | (edited)
That Pokemon board vote is certainly a thing to watch. ORAS was winning the board vote for about one minute over SSB.

SSB 3DS won the board vote by one vote over ORAS at the freeze.
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#340 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/31/2014 9:08:09 PM | message detail
It's better for SSB4 to lose here, though. SSB4 WiiU will have a better chance to win if it doesn't have to deal with LFF from SSB4 3DS.
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#341 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/31/2014 9:10:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
Team Rocket Elite posted...
It's better for SSB4 to lose here, though. SSB4 WiiU will have a better chance to win if it doesn't have to deal with LFF from SSB4 3DS.


That depends on what Allen does with both versions if they manage to win their respective polls. They could either be combined into one single option, such as "Super Smash Bros. for 3DS / Wii U" or have them as 2 separate options.
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#342 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/31/2014 9:16:33 PM | message detail
So this is probably all over for Pokemon at this point. It's fallen off pretty hard after that board vote, with Bravely Default being in a good position to overtake it very soon.
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#343 | superange128 | Posted 12/31/2014 9:25:35 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
It's better for SSB4 to lose here, though. SSB4 WiiU will have a better chance to win if it doesn't have to deal with LFF from SSB4 3DS.


That depends on what Allen does with both versions if they manage to win their respective polls. They could either be combined into one single option, such as "Super Smash Bros. for 3DS / Wii U" or have them as 2 separate options.


I doubt it, despite the same cast they have enough differences to be different games
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#344 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/31/2014 10:00:30 PM | message detail
It's sad to see the two best 3DS games floundering at 4% each.
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#345 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/31/2014 10:12:11 PM | message detail
1767 votes at the end of the first hour. This puts today's poll on track for 18000 to 21000 votes. If the 3DS poll is going to bring in these vote totals, some of the other categories will be even worse than this and we'll probably see under 10000 votes for the first time since 11/27/2001. Other categories that should surpass 20000 votes include a hypothetical Multiplatform poll (that wasn't a category last year), Game of the Year, Game of the Year (Final), and System of the Year.

Last year's 3DS poll got 27858 votes during a period that had average vote totals of 31215 (last 15 days of 2013 + the next 15 days after the 2013 GotY polls). We had average vote totals of 22820 votes during December 2014. Based on a direct linear proportion, that puts today's poll at an estimated 20366 votes.
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#346 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/1/2015 2:37:29 AM | message detail
I voted for Pokemon myself but I would like to see Bravely Default win. But of course Smash will win everything in all polls.
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#347 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/1/2015 5:19:39 AM | message detail
Bravely Default's looking pretty nice now, closer to Smash than Pokemon. Of course, I don't know how things are currently trending so maybe Smash is about to take off with the morning vote or something.
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#348 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/1/2015 6:20:31 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
The Wii U finished with 44.51% ownership in yesterday's poll. It ended up with less than 45%, which makes SSB4 a failure at boosting Wii U ownership. A lot of the increase was probably a natural increase in ownership that wasn't tied to the release of SSB4.


What? An increase of 10% isn't bad at all.

Anyway, Bravely Default might take this. It's looking pretty damn good, and would be a deserved winner if it weren't released in 2013.
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#349 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/1/2015 8:32:54 AM | message detail
Good performance by Bravely Default. Sure it's up against a port and remake, but those are two of the strongest series on GameFAQs.

So unless SBAllen combines the two games the WiiU version and 3DS version will go up against each other. Do you guys think the 3DS will hold up against the WiiU or will the WiiU SFF it Link/Ganondorf style.
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#350 | pjbasis | Posted 1/1/2015 8:34:02 AM | message detail
I wouldn't count smash as a port. It was a simultaneous release
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