GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1188
So, remember DetroitDJ's Top 100 Games thing from late 2013/early 2014 that Chrono Trigger won? I looked up his data for the main series FF games and found what percentage of the total main series FF vote each game got. Game Percentage Final Fantasy I 1.13% Final Fantasy II 0.00% Final Fantasy III 0.56% Final Fantasy IV 4.65% Final Fantasy V 1.13% Final Fantasy VI 22.57% Final Fantasy VII 25.67% Final Fantasy VIII 8.04% Final Fantasy IX 15.23% Final Fantasy X 16.78% Final Fantasy XI 0.56% Final Fantasy XII 2.82% Final Fantasy XIII 0.71% Final Fantasy XIV 0.14% 100.00% The strong games looked a little stronger than in yesterday's poll and the weak games looked a bit weaker but it's pretty close overall, including having the top 7 in the same order. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO raytan NO PEACE] |
Trend chart for the first 18 hours of this poll: Time | FFVI | FFVII | Votes 1:00 | 53.23% | 46.77% | 1890 2:00 | 53.49% | 46.51% | 1460 3:00 | 51.53% | 48.47% | 1114 4:00 | 46.10% | 53.90% | 911 5:00 | 46.51% | 53.49% | 688 6:00 | 45.27% | 54.73% | 729 7:00 | 47.45% | 52.55% | 864 8:00 | 47.56% | 52.44% | 982 9:00 | 50.90% | 49.10% | 1114 10:00 | 49.03% | 50.97% | 1242 11:00 | 49.03% | 50.97% | 1130 12:00 | 50.74% | 49.26% | 1088 13:00 | 53.05% | 46.95% | 1065 14:00 | 51.64% | 48.36% | 943 15:00 | 49.33% | 50.67% | 894 16:00 | 48.54% | 51.46% | 820 17:00 | 49.65% | 50.35% | 858 18:00 | 49.28% | 50.72% | 828 FFVII is not rolling over and dying with the day vote here. I expect this match to still be pretty close when the SNV rolls around. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Man, I forgot how cool a close match can be. Allen, I apologize on behalf of all the complainers from the last few years. These contests are great. Let's have another! --- SC2K13 Bracket: Kefka hate hate hate hate hates my bracket! Oracle: Team Frog and Magus |
Come on buddy, hold that 4 vote lead! --- Smash Wii U username: McTavish |
oh man the lead went up!!! |
50%-50% Damn --- ... |
What I saw when I cast my vote for FFVI just a few minutes ago: http://i.imgur.com/tQnyf6Z.png awesome --- sharp. distance. |
Just
when i thought FF7 could sink no lower, it somehow manages to
embarrasse itself against a "supposedly" much weaker game from its own
series. Forget about Crono, Sonic and MMX. Any near elites could potentially give Cloud a run for his money these days. --- This person is a well-known troll, please don't take his words too seriously. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/user.php?=2426382 |
Damn,
FFVI is starting to pull away now. I really want this poll to come
down to wire. It would be great for the final update of this poll to be
filled with suspense. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
If it's close at the end, I can't see FF6 losing. --- No amount of rallying would let me beat raytan7585. Congrats to raytan7585 for winning the CB9 Guru Contest! |
Yeah I don't wanna say rallies or stuffing but something's up --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
I
checked out 4chan and I saw no rallying there. FFVI came out of
nowhere to put up a 54.80% hour from 10:00-11:00 PM, easily its best
hour of the entire poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
With
a lead of 81 and 8 updates remaining, FFVII has to win every single
update for the rest of this poll to even have a chance of coming back.
It also has to average just slightly over 10 votes per cut. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Assuming
FFVI has boosted back to around its 2004 strength, the 2004 x-stats
would suggest current FFVII is worth around 39% on 2004 FFVII. Sounds
approximately like how much Cloud's declined. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO raytan NO PEACE] |
Is antivoting really the answer though. I still have to imagine that FFVII overlapped the most with the rest of the series. It should have still gained with the exclusion of every other game. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Most Old Square voters probably went for FFVI. FFIX was fairly weak back when FFVII was at the top of its game and in some ways the game is a throwback to Old Square so I bet there's a good chance more of its voters went for FFVI. Maybe FFXII and MMO voters appreciated the freedom of FFVI's second half and weren't bothered by the lack of plot? I dunno. Most FFVIII voters probably did go to FFVII. I'd guess a majority of FFX and FFXIII voters did too. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO raytan NO PEACE] |
FFVI wins the final update of the poll to finish with an 88 vote lead. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Ahahahaha it actually ended with 6 beating 7. Quick let's nominate all fourteen playable characters for the next contest. And also the ten side moogles. --- Current Let's Play: Mother 3 - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3652080 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3-lets-end-the-debate-now-which-was-the-best-final-fantasy-game As we get closer to 1999 vote totals, I guess we get closer to 1999 results? I guess the worst part for FF7 is there's no guaranteed that this is the limit of their fall. I imagine it's still downhill for them from here. --- No amount of rallying would let me beat raytan7585. Congrats to raytan7585 for winning the CB9 Guru Contest! |
Full trend charts and poll updates: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdGV2djRDV2NKTlliYTJUMUZraW5zOEE&gid=1 For those who don't feel like checking that out, I'll post the most important trend chart in this post. Time | FFVI | FFVII | Votes EBV | 50.51% | 49.49% | 295 PHV | 53.23% | 46.77% | 1890 FNV | 49.47% | 50.53% | 4902 BSV | 48.78% | 51.22% | 2960 DSV | 50.45% | 49.55% | 5913 ASV | 49.56% | 50.44% | 5966 SNV | 53.64% | 46.36% | 1223 FFVII actually held up pretty well during the board vote, but I would probably blame that on the poll starting 10 minutes late due to a poll glitch. After the board vote, it quickly went downhill as FFVI pounded FFVII pretty badly to put up a really good Power Hour performance. When the night vote started, it took FFVII another 2 hours to finally get going with the night vote (it didn't begin to win entire hours until after 3:00 AM). But overall, FFVII won the night vote and performed even better during the early morning vote. The later part of the morning vote went to FFVI, while the ASV went in FFVII's favor. At the start of the SNV (10:00 PM), FFVII had a 1 vote lead over FFVI and proceeded to lose the SNV by 89 votes to give FFVI the 88 vote win. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
well that was something games contest time? |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3503-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-lttp-ff3-ff7-s-mario-64 So uh.yeah --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
FFVII almost tripled FFVI in that poll you linked to. Yesterday's poll does have some problems that prevents it from being a reliable poll to use when analyzing an actual contest match. The biggest problem is clearly the wording of the poll question. The question for yesterday's poll was worded in a way that suggests you can only vote in the poll if you have played both games. Those who have only played FFVI or only FFVII are not very likely to vote in that poll. Since FFVI and FFVII both have pretty high playrates of their own (63.17% for FFVI and 70.83% for FFVII), there is going to be a ton of overlap between people who have played FFVI and those who have played FFVII. Probably at least 50% of this site has played both games. But if this had been an actual contest match, people who have only played FFVI will vote for FFVI, while those who have only played FFVII will vote for FFVII. For the most part, that would be true. The only exception here would be someone who has only played FFVII, but didn't like the game (it wouldn't make sense to vote for a game you didn't like). The same concept would also apply to people who have played (and didn't like) FFVI, but haven't played FFVII. Regardless of who won yesterday's poll, it will almost certainly make Board 8 more cautious about picking FFVII over other games that would be regarded as "Top 10" on this site (minus OoT, because it clearly beats out FFVII here). Although I would hesitate to pick FFVI over FFVII in an actual contest setting, I would be willing to pick other "Top 10" games such as LttP and Pokemon RBY over FFVI. A few years ago (around 2010-2011), we were discussing the prospect of Pokemon RBY > FFVII in a future Games Contest. After yesterday's poll, maybe Pokemon RBY > FFVII isn't such a crazy idea after all. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
RBY > FFVII is a stone cold lock at this point --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png LongLiveraytan |
Yeah if we take into consideration that normal polls are not like contest polls, it would make things more complicated If in a contest poll people vote for the game they like the most because they want it to win even if they didn't play the other game/s, here where winning doesn't matter and is just a poll they actually vote honestly (not voting when they didn't play the other game) --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
FFVII may not even be a top ten game here anymore. Sad times. --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/giphy_zps1fe99c19.gif |
I
do not understand why. Zelda games are overrated too but they always do
very good at contests. Well whatever. Can at least someone explain why
when the poll was between all FF games FF 7 won? --- Why do we exist?What happens when we stop existing? |
Zelda games do well because of Nintendo nostalgia and because they have never been *that* popular or huge. --- Play Pac-Man World 2. |
FF6
already had over 45% on FF7 in the bigger poll. I guess most of the
other game fanbases prefer FF6 (though it's still kinda weird since 10
got third and I'd expect most of that game's fans to prefer 7, so I
guess a lot of them simply didn't vote since they've played neither). Don't know if there's gonna be a good explanation for this stuff. --- Current Let's Play: Mother 3 - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3652080 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
pjbasis posted... RBY > FFVII is a stone cold lock at this point I'm going to make this bold statement that only OoT is capable of beating RBY. |
spooky96 posted... pjbasis posted...RBY > FFVII is a stone cold lock at this point League of Legends --- Current Let's Play: Mother 3 - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3652080 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
Safer_777 posted... Can at least someone explain why when the poll was between all FF games FF 7 won? FFVII is well-known as being a heavily anti-voted game, along with games such as World of Warcraft and Halo in general. As with any game or character that is heavily anti-voted, multi-way polls (3 or more options) give these games the proper environment they need to perform at their best. Anti-votes are diluted in multi-way polls, and with 14 options in the big FF poll, any anti-votes for FFVII would have been spread out among the other 13 options. The anti-vote factor becomes a very minor issue for FFVII in a huge poll. Once FFVII is put into a 1v1 poll, anti-voting FFVII is a matter of voting for the other option here. Yesterday's poll clearly showed us that anti-voting is far more visible in a 1v1 poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ! |
Not_Wylvane posted... spooky96 posted...pjbasis posted...RBY > FFVII is a stone cold lock at this point Bbbbbut Allen said he wouldn't let that happen again. Saying something like skyscrapper traffic is bad or something then again, he says quite a few things |
Zelda games not popular or huge? Come on now. --- Why do we exist?What happens when we stop existing? |
who's gonna take LttP>FFVII |
I will take most Zelda games to beat FFVII. WW, TP, MM, etc. --- ... |
At the rate FF7 is declining, it might no longer be top 15 games in the next few years. --- Man is not the creature of circumstances. Circumstances are the creatures of man. |
-Zelmor- posted... At the rate FF7 is declining, it might no longer be top 15 games in the next few years. It might not be now. FF6 beating FF7 used to be something unthinkable, and this poll doesn't suggest that FF6 is getting any stronger, just FF7 getting weaker. --- It was an honor being Raytan's final elimination in the 2013 Character Battle. |
I'll lean toward FF7 winning a rematch if it faced FF3/6 in a contest. Still, what RPGs would you consider against FF7 now? FF3/6 just made its mark in the conversation. RBY seems like a lock after Squirtle beat Cloud and Trainers beat Cloud/Sephiroth. CT won the Top 100 List recently. Skyrim's the game of the last generation, and Mass Effect 2 is up there too. It's a wild evolution to see the game that built GameFAQs now struggles to maintain its status against both newer and older RPGs, in and out of its own series. --- M E N: nominate Metal Man in 20XX! http://i.imgur.com/Dr4NAeq.png |
So what is the #2 game on this site? I think it's either LttP or RBY. --- Because. -SBAllen |
I guess LTTP then. --- Why do we exist?What happens when we stop existing? |
Pokemon RBY looked like a contender for that title back in 2009 and it's hard to deny its claim now. Link to the Past might
be able to win a direct match by exerting Zelda franchise power against
it but I really doubt it's outright stronger. Link to the Past might
not even be the #3 at this point. It did almost lose to Super Mario 64
in 2009 while having no particularly good excuses. And if (If!) a lot of what happened yesterday had to do with FFVI getting stronger rather than just FFVII failing horribly, that would raise the question of whether FFVI might beat CT now or if CT has boosted as well. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO raytan NO PEACE] |
I'll take RBY > LoZ:LttP. RBY almost had 51% against LoZ:MM, Perfect Dark, and Banjo-Kazooie...then beat LoZ:MM again despite GSC. This looks even better in hindsight when LoZ:MM won Game of the Decade the next year. It also resisted SFF/LFF against LoZ:OoT better than any Nintendo game I can think of; RBY was still able to defeat MGS despite that split, and it took adding SSBM for it to lose against FFX. Throw in the Pokemania we saw last contest, then remember how big of a worldwide phenomenon RBY was compared to LoZ:LttP... ...it could go either way, but ZELDAFEAR alone isn't enough to convince me here. --- M E N: nominate Metal Man in 20XX! http://i.imgur.com/Dr4NAeq.png |
Barring
a sudden demographic shift, I'd take RBY over LttP. It'd probably be
close to begin with, and rallies would be stronger than ever. Plus
Pokemon pretty much dominated the last contest between Mewtwo, Pikachu,
and Squirtle (with Red making a good showing despite lucking into some
crazy SFF matches). --- Current Let's Play: Mother 3 - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3652080 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
Chrono Trigger is now a lock against FFVII. I'm calling it! Of course, Link is displeased that his new rivals are characters from LoL and inanimate objects......Cloud was a much more pleasing opponent. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 NEVER FORGET. |
I really don't have anything to do. So I made a few tiers. OoT R/B/Y LttP MM Melee Brawl CT FF VII FF VI Skyrim TP FFX RE 4 WW Fallout 3 Prime SM 64 KH KH 2 SMG SMW SMB 3 MGS2 MGS3 MGS4 ME 2 LoZ: SS Half Life 2 G/S/C Oblivion FF VIII FF IX Portal Batman: AC I'm forgetting quite a few things,, tags; assumptions, zelda-smash-pokemon love all time high, FF games weak, crono's 2013 performance. not sure where to exactly put the mario or mgs games. |
I do wonder if Skyrim really is powerful today as it was in the year it was released... --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
I
doubt it is, though I also think it hasn't dropped as much as one would
expect it to. It's probably the strongest game of its gen (Brawl's the
only real competition, and I suspect it's probably dropped a bit with
the new Smash games being out). I don't see it being a big threat to OoT
or RBY or anything, but I think it'd hold its own against and possibly
beat the likes of CT (which is probably stronger now than last contest)
and SM64. --- Current Let's Play: Mother 3 - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3652080 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
It's difficult to see MGS4 or Skyward Sword being worth much. Also in that case where the heck is SOTC in the conversation? Don't have much faith in Arkham City myself. A new games contest would be quite interesting indeed. --- Play Pac-Man World 2. |
