Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1185

#351 | The Mana Sword | Posted 1/11/2014 6:15:58 AM | message detail
While I wouldn't call running a final, final poll once in the past 13 years "established precident", it is kinda of crappy that we didn't get one here even if I did want Zelda to win.
---
http://i.imgur.com/RHvCiY3.png
#352 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/11/2014 6:42:35 AM | message detail
You could argue that the 2008 poll shows that Zelda would have won, so there isn't much reason to do another one. Back then, everyone was so sure taking out Fallout 3 would give MGS4 the win, but then it had no effect, arguably even making Brawl a little stronger. I think it's only necessary in cases of severe SFF.

That said it is a shame and I wanted to see it. Go 3DS though. First time a handheld has ever won one of these right?
---
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
#353 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2014 8:38:55 AM | message detail
Yup the best before was DS getting second in 2005.
---
BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls
Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest
#354 | Surskit | Posted 1/11/2014 8:58:43 AM | message detail
Was there really any reason to just say "No" like a complete jerk? It's okay to hate Board 8 but being an ass to Luster was uncalled for.
---
.-#Elements of Water#-.
#355 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 1/11/2014 9:12:10 AM | message detail
No contest ever again confirmed
---
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality
#356 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2014 9:13:15 AM | message detail
To be fair SBAllen has a lot of things to do, he doesn't have time to write a meaningful response when it can be answered in a single word.
---
BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls
Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest
#357 | Surskit | Posted 1/11/2014 9:22:15 AM | message detail
I don't think it would take him much longer to say "Unfortunately I'm not planning on it this year" or something to that effect.
---
.-#Elements of Water#-.
#358 | abdou | Posted 1/11/2014 9:35:29 AM | message detail
because Allen is the worst admin ever? honestly how can that guy be the admin of this great site? ridiculous.
---
...
#359 | spooky96 | Posted 1/11/2014 11:59:54 AM | message detail
Surskit posted...
Was there really any reason to just say "No" like a complete jerk?


That's exactly what I think whenever he responds to anyone.

He just hates the users of this website for some reason.

SORRY ALLEN but I hope Devin soon takes over the entire website. Now please don't ban me.



jesus why am I posting such stupid stuff.
---
I don't really hit anyone unless the need arises. If the need arises, though, I'm not about to hesitate just because they have boobs.
#360 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 1/11/2014 12:18:32 PM | message detail
I'm hoping my sarcasm detector is broken again.
---
[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]
[NO raytan NO PEACE]
#361 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/11/2014 12:44:48 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
I'm hoping my sarcasm detector is broken again.


Remember: This is Board 8.
---
Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy VI: Brave New World http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3577467
Prev: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64
#362 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 1/11/2014 12:45:39 PM | message detail
Lame, no 1vs1 and Zelda won just like usual. Seeing as how Link failed to win the last contest, Allen probably tried to pacify this NintendoFaqs by having Zelda win the GOTY.
---
The cycle of life and death continues. We will live. And they will die.
#363 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/11/2014 1:16:26 PM | message detail
Polls for the next 2 days:

1/12/2014 - I don't know. It's possible that tomorrow's poll will be another "BEST OF 2013" poll.
1/13/2014 - Which upcoming sequel are you most looking forward to?

Well, the odds are very good that we will not get an "FAQ of the Year" or "Review of the Year" poll this year. Those 2 polls got terrible vote totals in last year's GotY polls, which saw "Review of the Year" barely reach 10000 votes.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#364 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/11/2014 1:22:02 PM | message detail
JustForFun1988 posted...
Lame, no 1vs1 and Zelda won just like usual. Seeing as how Link failed to win the last contest, Allen probably tried to pacify this NintendoFaqs by having Zelda win the GOTY.


This is the first time Zelda won GotY since 2006, and the first time a handheld Zelda has ever won. It's not the usual at all.

Also are vote totals really that important? I'd rather have an interesting poll regardless of the number of votes.
---
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
#365 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/11/2014 1:27:01 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Also are vote totals really that important? I'd rather have an interesting poll regardless of the number of votes.


Vote totals are important from the rallying perspective. Higher vote totals means it's harder for outside forces to pull off a successful rally. Vivi > Mario and Squirtle > Cloud would never have happened if we were naturally getting 2008 level vote totals. Draven however, is an exceptional case. Draven could still have won the contest even with 2008 level vote totals.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#366 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/11/2014 1:27:35 PM | message detail
I won't be surprised if 90% of the voters in "review of the year" are people that just vote everyday even if they have nothing to vote for
#367 | red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2014 5:16:27 PM | message detail
I highly doubt Draven could have won the contest with 2008 vote levels. He barely beat Link with votals around 40% of their 2008 levels. You're looking at an additional 40-50k net gain to Link from additional Gamefaqs voters. Draven was only winning the rallied votes 60/40 (that's 20% net), so he would need an additional 200-250k rallied votes to catch up to Link. Which would be around 4x what he actually rallied in the last contest.
---
September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013
NEVER FORGET.
#368 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/11/2014 9:05:48 PM | message detail
Well, yesterday's poll was the last of the GotY polls.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#369 | swirIdude | Posted 1/11/2014 10:21:40 PM | message detail | (edited)
I called that LFF! Way to go, Zelda!
---
"The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima
raytan: Champ without picking the champ
#370 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/11/2014 10:48:34 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I highly doubt Draven could have won the contest with 2008 vote levels. He barely beat Link with votals around 40% of their 2008 levels. You're looking at an additional 40-50k net gain to Link from additional Gamefaqs voters. Draven was only winning the rallied votes 60/40 (that's 20% net), so he would need an additional 200-250k rallied votes to catch up to Link. Which would be around 4x what he actually rallied in the last contest.


This is so right. Hey guys, remember this gem:

Ulti's PCA
We'd had several examples of rallying not mattering too much (namely with Persona 4), but this match can finally put that argument to rest. Unless you have something on a MASSIVE scale (L-Block), rallying is negligible and always has been. If WoW of all games can't rally in this of all formats, we can officially put the rallying nonsense to rest. You can rally more votes all you want, but the people you attract will pick the option they like regardless.


Sure this is pretty hilarious in hindsight, but had votals stayed up where they used to be, there's pretty much no way Draven would have unleashed havoc. Ulti himself wrote it best:

Ulti's PCA
Draven basically took strength from the early 2000s and plopped it right into the modern era of terrible GameFAQs vote totals...

---
Play Pac-Man World 2.
#371 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/12/2014 3:00:15 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I highly doubt Draven could have won the contest with 2008 vote levels. He barely beat Link with votals around 40% of their 2008 levels. You're looking at an additional 40-50k net gain to Link from additional Gamefaqs voters. Draven was only winning the rallied votes 60/40 (that's 20% net), so he would need an additional 200-250k rallied votes to catch up to Link. Which would be around 4x what he actually rallied in the last contest.


The numbers you are bringing up don't seem right at all. Draven winning the rallied votes 60/40 is actually quite misleading. That 60/40 split was for all voters who voted in the contest for the first time. Now, most of those first time voters came from Reddit, but there are also the normal GameFAQs voters (heavily in favor of Link), and the voters that came to GameFAQs from the Link rallies. Also, Bacon said that first time voters were split 3:2 in favor of Draven, which is very vague and doesn't mean there was an even 60/40 split in favor of Draven. I think the split was closer to 65/35, with Draven winning about 70/30 on Reddit and the normal GameFAQs voters (who are voting for the first time) and the Link rally voters bringing that split down to 65/35.

With 2008 level vote totals, Link/Shepard/Draven probably gets about 150000 votes from the normal GameFAQs voters. Assuming 55%/25%/20% for the 3 characters, here are vote totals for the 3 characters:

Link - 82500
Shepard - 37500
Draven - 30000

From some calculations I've done, I've estimated about 22000 extra votes for Link and 43000 extra votes for Draven outside of the normal GameFAQs voters. If you applied those extra votes to the vote totals I listed above, we would end up with this:

Link - 104500
Shepard - 37500
Draven - 73000

Draven's still losing by over 30000 votes. Despite this, I think Draven could have still won the match with 2008 level vote totals because the LoL community is so aggressive and powerful that they simply won't give up. They have a way of being able to pull massive amounts of votes out of nowhere. Even when Draven fell behind Mewtwo at the beginning of the match, I knew the LoL community would have a way of being able to pull through for Draven, or when Snake was threatening Draven for a while. From a purely theoretical standpoint, it sounds as though Draven would lose to Link with 2008 level vote totals, but the biggest x-factor here is the LoL community's determination to make anything happen even when it seems like the odds are against them. In this case, the LoL community could have rallied an additional 40000 votes (or more) for Draven to compensate for the much higher 2008 level vote totals.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#372 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/12/2014 3:35:46 AM | message detail
No Game of the Generation?

AAAGH BACON IS THE ANTICHRIST HE'S GOING TO BRING DOOM TO ALL OF GAMEFAQS.COM AAAAAGH
---
Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy VI: Brave New World http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3577467
Prev: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64
#373 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/12/2014 3:51:34 AM | message detail
ALBW doesn't really count as a current generation game (games on the DS, PSP, PS3, 360, and Wii). The 3DS and Vita are treated as being part of the PS4, Wii U, and Xbox One generation.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#374 | spooky96 | Posted 1/12/2014 4:06:35 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
No Game of the Generation?

AAAGH BACON IS THE ANTICHRIST HE'S GOING TO BRING DOOM TO ALL OF GAMEFAQS.COM AAAAAGH



ikr allen hates us. devin save us plz frm dis tyrant
---
I don't really hit anyone unless the need arises. If the need arises, though, I'm not about to hesitate just because they have boobs.
#375 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 1/12/2014 4:43:29 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
ALBW doesn't really count as a current generation game (games on the DS, PSP, PS3, 360, and Wii). The 3DS and Vita are treated as being part of the PS4, Wii U, and Xbox One generation.


Indeed, which is why...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962
---
http://i.minus.com/iXoo3VJtNcsq1.gif http://i.minus.com/ibby1wplXrHxlz.gif
#376 | foxhead84 | Posted 1/12/2014 11:25:52 AM | message detail
Ulti's PCA
Draven basically took strength from the early 2000s and plopped it right into the modern era of terrible GameFAQs vote totals...


Speaking of Ulti's PCA. Will he update the wiki someday? Have he finished writing all the matches? Have he quit?

Does someone (Luster?) have saved the PCA topic?. He had almost finished them until the topic purged.
---
Congratulation to raytan. Guru Champ and Reddit's Character Battle IX
#377 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 1/12/2014 11:28:00 AM | message detail
foxhead84 posted...
Ulti's PCA
Draven basically took strength from the early 2000s and plopped it right into the modern era of terrible GameFAQs vote totals...


Speaking of Ulti's PCA. Will he update the wiki someday? Have he finished writing all the matches? Have he quit?

Does someone (Luster?) have saved the PCA topic?. He had almost finished them until the topic purged.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/68271214
---
http://i.minus.com/iXoo3VJtNcsq1.gif http://i.minus.com/ibby1wplXrHxlz.gif
#378 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/12/2014 11:34:27 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
Indeed, which is why...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962


I suppose if TLoU had won GotY instead, we would have gotten Game of the Generation. Since TLoU is exclusive to the PS3.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#379 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/12/2014 12:05:54 PM | message detail
This poll of generation seems strange. For the first 3 years we have a Nintendo game winning.But after that nothing. Also did really a COD game won GOTY here? I don't remember that.
---
Why do we exist?What happens when we stop existing?
#380 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/12/2014 12:33:02 PM | message detail
To be fair it was a weak year for "GameFAQs games."
---
BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls
Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest
#381 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/12/2014 12:57:56 PM | message detail
It's definitely possible for another 3DS game to win GotY next year as the PS3 and 360 receive fewer exclusive games as a result of Sony, Microsoft, and third party developers putting more focus on creating games for the PS4 and Xbox One. Even if the PS4 and Xbox One received a killer exclusive game this year, both systems will be hurt by their low ownership, which is why Super Mario 3D World didn't do very well in the GotY polls despite being critically acclaimed by both the critics and fans.

Of course, a Wii U game could possibly win next year if the next Smash game ends up being a very good game.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#382 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/12/2014 1:23:36 PM | message detail
Eh I dunno,Pokemon and Zelda are the strongest franchises in this site,and both are not likely to have a mainline 3DS game in 2014
Next are Mario and Final Fantasy,but Mario games are not really strong
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4585
And Final Fantasy only shot is Bravely Default - which is pretty popular here but it's being released so early in the year it might share the same fate as Bioshock Infinite

And the upcoming games,while fun,doesn't look like GOTY material
I will probably buy and play Yoshi Island 3,Kirby Triple Deluxe and Layton vs Phoenix Wright..but again,none of them is supposed to be very strong
#383 | pjbasis | Posted 1/12/2014 1:53:00 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Of course, a Wii U game could possibly win next year if the next Smash game ends up being a very good game.


But Brawl won despite that!
---
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png
##LongLiveraytan
#384 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/12/2014 2:09:40 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
This poll of generation seems strange. For the first 3 years we have a Nintendo game winning.But after that nothing. Also did really a COD game won GOTY here? I don't remember that.


This was before CoD got a lot of backlash. It's hard to remember that early on, CoD was a pretty well-respected series, especially after MW1 came out. Plus, this was its competition: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3726

But yeah, first Japanese game to win GotY here since 2008. Meanwhile, we haven't had a western company win two GotYs here, which is kinda neat.
---
Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy VI: Brave New World http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3577467
Prev: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64
#385 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/12/2014 2:17:59 PM | message detail
One day I will understand why AC series is so weak here
Ezio is pretty strong..
#386 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/12/2014 2:35:17 PM | message detail
Series does well, Assassin's Creed got 36% on MGS4 and AC2 got 39% on Wind Waker during GotD.
---
BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls
Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest
#387 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/12/2014 3:17:08 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
But Brawl won despite that!


There was only a very small minority that hated Brawl, as seen by Brawl defeating Melee in GOTD. Brawl was mostly perfect except for the atrocious online play.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!
#388 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/12/2014 5:40:58 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
pjbasis posted...
But Brawl won despite that!


There was only a very small minority that hated Brawl, as seen by Brawl defeating Melee in GOTD. Brawl was mostly perfect except for the atrocious online play.


seeing as Melee got 49% against Brawl, this "very small minority" is in fact very large
#389 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/12/2014 5:53:46 PM | message detail
Liking Melee more =/= hating Brawl
---
BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls
Congrats to raytan for winning the Guru Contest
#390 | red sox 777 | Posted 1/12/2014 6:03:53 PM | message detail
I ran a "which game do you hate the most" 4-way on this board between Melee, Brawl, FFX, and MM. I don't remember the exact results, but it went something like:

Brawl: 40%
FFX: 35%
MM: 20%
Melee: 5%

If Gamefaqs in general is anything like this board, then the percentage of Melee voters who hate Brawl is probably quite large. Remember, Brawl always beats Melee in Melee vs. Brawl straight up votes on this board. It's usually not that close either- while at first Melee steadily rose as the months since released passed, then it stopped and Brawl consistently got around 55% on this board.

We'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Melee/Brawl is now 50/50 here. This board poll would then suggest that 80% of Melee voters in the Melee/Brawl also prefer both FFX and MM to Brawl, while only 10% of Brawl voters prefer both FFX and MM to Melee.

It's a small sample, and I doubt the Gamefaqs-wide numbers are so extreme, but the idea that the Brawl hate group is tiny is close to absurd (even just from intuition).
---
September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013
NEVER FORGET.
#391 | JJH777 | Posted 1/12/2014 7:54:02 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I ran a "which game do you hate the most" 4-way on this board between Melee, Brawl, FFX, and MM. I don't remember the exact results, but it went something like:

Brawl: 40%
FFX: 35%
MM: 20%
Melee: 5%

If Gamefaqs in general is anything like this board, then the percentage of Melee voters who hate Brawl is probably quite large. Remember, Brawl always beats Melee in Melee vs. Brawl straight up votes on this board. It's usually not that close either- while at first Melee steadily rose as the months since released passed, then it stopped and Brawl consistently got around 55% on this board.

We'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Melee/Brawl is now 50/50 here. This board poll would then suggest that 80% of Melee voters in the Melee/Brawl also prefer both FFX and MM to Brawl, while only 10% of Brawl voters prefer both FFX and MM to Melee.

It's a small sample, and I doubt the Gamefaqs-wide numbers are so extreme, but the idea that the Brawl hate group is tiny is close to absurd (even just from intuition).


But those are 4 great games and you asked which do you hate the "most". It's entirely possible that people just chose brawl because it's the worst of those 4 but still like it a lot.
---
9/2/13-The Hero of GameFAQs fought bravely but fell to an unrelenting horde supported by a corrupt tyranny.
R.I.P. Hero of Time, 7 time CB Champion, Link
#392 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/12/2014 8:36:43 PM | message detail
JJH777 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
I ran a "which game do you hate the most" 4-way on this board between Melee, Brawl, FFX, and MM. I don't remember the exact results, but it went something like:

Brawl: 40%
FFX: 35%
MM: 20%
Melee: 5%

If Gamefaqs in general is anything like this board, then the percentage of Melee voters who hate Brawl is probably quite large. Remember, Brawl always beats Melee in Melee vs. Brawl straight up votes on this board. It's usually not that close either- while at first Melee steadily rose as the months since released passed, then it stopped and Brawl consistently got around 55% on this board.

We'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Melee/Brawl is now 50/50 here. This board poll would then suggest that 80% of Melee voters in the Melee/Brawl also prefer both FFX and MM to Brawl, while only 10% of Brawl voters prefer both FFX and MM to Melee.

It's a small sample, and I doubt the Gamefaqs-wide numbers are so extreme, but the idea that the Brawl hate group is tiny is close to absurd (even just from intuition).


But those are 4 great games and you asked which do you hate the "most". It's entirely possible that people just chose brawl because it's the worst of those 4 but still like it a lot.


if that was the case, why does it only apply in a single direction
#393 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 1/12/2014 9:13:42 PM | message detail
Reminder: Final Fantasy Versus XIII (now FFXV) was announced almost 8 years ago.

For comparison, Duke Nukem Forever took 14 years from announcement to release. The Milk Nukem pic against Cloud in 2004 was 7 years in.
---
[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]
[NO raytan NO PEACE]
#394 | red sox 777 | Posted 1/12/2014 9:42:30 PM | message detail
Well, I'm glad they've announced FFXV at least.
---
September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013
NEVER FORGET.
#395 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/12/2014 11:34:51 PM | message detail
I thought in general most SSB fans prefer Brawl, but a nontrivial number of fans of the first two SSB games hate Brawl.
---
Play Pac-Man World 2.
#396 | redrocket | Posted 1/12/2014 11:39:01 PM | message detail
I wouldn't look for Smash U to do much unless it makes waves after its release. Hype for it is practically non-existent.
---
It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest
#397 | spooky96 | Posted 1/13/2014 12:54:46 AM | message detail
Actually disappointing performance from Super Smash Bros.
---
I don't really hit anyone unless the need arises. If the need arises, though, I'm not about to hesitate just because they have boobs.
#398 | spooky96 | Posted 1/13/2014 1:14:58 AM | message detail
Just saw this, interesting stuff http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamefaqs.com

For some reason I used to think 75% of the people were from North America.
---
I don't really hit anyone unless the need arises. If the need arises, though, I'm not about to hesitate just because they have boobs.
#399 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 1/13/2014 1:29:38 AM | message detail
Smash U has a lot of hype, more so than most games. Just because it doesn't come close to the Brawl hype, doesn't mean it doesn't have any.
---
*1, *202,000,024 raytan7585
*2, *8,070,446 Kuroko no Basket, *3, *6,495,240 Naruto
#400 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/13/2014 4:40:58 AM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
Just saw this, interesting stuff http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamefaqs.com

For some reason I used to think 75% of the people were from North America.


Some of that data is incorrect. It says only 44.5% of visitors are from the US, when it's actually closer to 60% based on Geolocation data I obtained prior to the introduction of the new poll maps.
---
Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as raytan7585, Guru Champ!