Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1185

#301 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 1/10/2014 8:38:59 AM | message detail | (edited)
The final has been 3-ways for a long-ass time, so you think that CJayC conspired with Allen to rig a poll for a game that was over a decade from release for a system that hadn't been announced yet?
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#302 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/10/2014 8:41:35 AM | message detail
dat Zelda morning vote
#303 | HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2014 9:03:29 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
The final has been 3-ways for a long-ass time, so you think that CJayC conspired with Allen to rig a poll for a game that was over a decade from release for a system that hadn't been announced yet?


Basically. There is almost always a three-way final-GotY each year; the only exception I can think of since 2004 is 2011, which only had a overall-GotY and coincidentally featured LoZ:SS breaking the streak of mainline LoZ-games winning GotY here. Accusing SB of Nintendo-bias here is poorly placed.
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#304 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 9:10:17 AM | message detail
I think Zelda's berserk morning vote had something to do with 4chan. A topic was posted on /v/ at 10:16 AM. It was between 10:35 AM and 11:00 AM that Zelda went on the warpath.

/v/res/226619545 for those who want to check it out themselves.
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#305 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/10/2014 9:22:16 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
The final has been 3-ways for a long-ass time, so you think that CJayC conspired with Allen to rig a poll for a game that was over a decade from release for a system that hadn't been announced yet?


No,but THIS time it's obvious GTA V has no place here
It already lost to TLOU 3 times,there is no reason to include it in the "finals"
I don't think it happened in any other GOTY polls

Also what is 4chan take on ALBW? I don't think they are THAT much in favor of LBW..
#306 | HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2014 9:22:22 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
For people celebrating a handheld game doing well, don't kid yourself. There's a probable majority on this site (which is stuck in the 90's) who haven't played any game in the poll and are gravitating purely towards the Zelda name.


We saw this last year -- that GotY-competition was basically a race to suck the least, which was later supported by nearly every related character's performance in last year's Character Battle.

That said, I think this year shows Nintendo-fans on GameFAQs are preferring to go handheld than to other consoles. That'd be a certain type of Nintendo-drone, maybe, but Nintendo recognizes the 3DS is their hot ticket instead of the Wii U so this is a new change we'll have to prepare for in demographics. There's a fair chance we could see more handheld-GotY winners too as the PS4 and Xbone slowly build traction here (though the 3DS likely won't have a LoZ-game again soon).

Also, to TLoU's credit, it'd crush anything from 2012. GTAV and BI might too, while X/Y > Black/White 2 and SM3DW > NSMBWU...so whatever this year's play rate is, it'll beat 2012's.
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#307 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 9:29:53 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Also what is 4chan take on ALBW? I don't think they are THAT much in favor of LBW..


Someone on /v/ attempted to rally for TLoU and there are a lot of comments about people voting for ALBW instead.
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#308 | HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2014 9:32:47 AM | message detail
Fun-fact: we've seen games shift from third to second (MKDS over GoW, Xenoblade over ME3) and shift from second to first (SSBB over MGS4), but never from third to first like LoZ:LBW here.
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#309 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 1/10/2014 9:34:46 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Also what is 4chan take on ALBW? I don't think they are THAT much in favor of LBW..


Someone on /v/ attempted to rally for TLoU and there are a lot of comments about people voting for ALBW instead.

I don't really think this means anything. There were a lot of comments on /r/leagueoflegends about voting for Jak instead of Draven…
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#310 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/10/2014 9:47:42 AM | message detail | (edited)
Just looking at the numbers, it's fairly obvious that Zelda is getting a huge assist from people who haven't played anything this year and are just voting on series familiarity. The day to day % jump is astronomical and not at all explained by LFF. I think we all expected this to some degree, but it's still pretty crazy to see.
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#311 | The Mana Sword | Posted 1/10/2014 9:51:07 AM | message detail
maybe 5000 people just happened to go out and buy zelda yesterday and loved it

how about that
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#312 | HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2014 9:53:12 AM | message detail
That's Nintendo in general, yeah. As already mentioned, SSBB gained on MGS4 despite the removal of FO3. Nintendo is often stronger when there are fewer options.

It's probably worth mentioning LoZ:LBW released during the prime time for GotY-winners, too. November's often been the sweet spot in the past, so maybe that's affecting things too.
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#313 | ZFS | Posted 1/10/2014 10:00:02 AM | message detail
I'm sure there's some of that going on, but I wouldn't undersell Zelda as being just 'series familiarity.' It's still probably the most well-received Zelda in a good decade, as far as fan response goes. You take away Mario, on a Nintendo system owned primarily by hardcore fans, and a couple of other Japanese-centric games I don't think the percentage jump is too crazy. But yeah, I'm sure just being a Zelda game against GTA and a new IP helps, too.
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#314 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/10/2014 10:27:27 AM | message detail
If 4Chan is going for trolling,they need to rally Last tommorrow since well everyone expects it to lose easily to Link anyway in the final match.
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#315 | Big Bob | Posted 1/10/2014 10:29:22 AM | message detail
TLOU could still take it, since it's bound to have more overlap with GTA than Zelda does.

Then again, we said the same thing about MGS4/FO3 years ago and look where that got us.
#316 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/10/2014 10:30:46 AM | message detail
Zelda has legit strength and is well-loved, but just looking at yesterday, there was 29.65% left to spare. GTA got 1.53% of that. TLOU got 8.26% of that. Zelda got 19.85%. That's just silly.

TLOU might have a better chance tomorrow. Not because of any big overlap between GTAv and TLOU, I think, but simply because GTA being here too is going to make GameFAQs all indignant. There is nothing this site loves better than voting for Nintendo against western stuff.
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#317 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 1/10/2014 10:32:40 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Zelda has legit strength and is well-loved, but just looking at yesterday, there was 29.65% left to spare. GTA got 1.53% of that. TLOU got 8.26% of that. Zelda got 19.85%. That's just silly.


It is very silly that Zelda has significant overlap with Mario and Phoenix Wright.
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#318 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/10/2014 10:36:53 AM | message detail
Which does not at all explain the jump, even assuming 100% overlap with both of those (which is not happening, especially with Wright).
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#319 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 1/10/2014 10:47:30 AM | message detail
It means that Zelda performs worse when there are more options (which is something that we have seen in contests), while GTA tends to perform better when GTA anti-votes get split (which we have also seen in contests).
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#320 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 1/10/2014 10:49:24 AM | message detail
Really Zelda's jump isn't that absurd. It's GTA's non-jump that is more out-there, and we have lots of contest history to explain that.
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#321 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/10/2014 10:50:33 AM | message detail
Uh yeah and now we're explaining why that happens

Zelda isn't just a magical entity that is shy around too many entrants in the poll, there's logic behind it
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#322 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 1/10/2014 10:52:56 AM | message detail
oh i see, you're saying 'silly' as in 'wow that's a really impressive thing' rather than 'silly' as in 'ok that makes no sense based on history'

i stand corrected then
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#323 | The Mana Sword | Posted 1/10/2014 10:54:59 AM | message detail
Zelda isn't just a magical entity

well
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#324 | lightning-02 | Posted 1/10/2014 11:04:05 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
The final has been 3-ways for a long-ass time, so you think that CJayC conspired with Allen to rig a poll for a game that was over a decade from release for a system that hadn't been announced yet?


No,but THIS time it's obvious GTA V has no place here
It already lost to TLOU 3 times,there is no reason to include it in the "finals"
I don't think it happened in any other GOTY polls

Also what is 4chan take on ALBW? I don't think they are THAT much in favor of LBW..


Neutral on it I'd imagine but there's a lot of vocal hatred against TLOU because of its success. I don't know if you guys are familiar with their /v/ga's but the community driven shortlist saw it get enough nominations for "most hated game of the year". If you try to rally for TLOU on /v/ it's almost certainly going to backfire in your face, which may well have been the OP's intention.
#325 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/10/2014 11:14:35 AM | message detail
It is cool to hate popular things eh?
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#326 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/10/2014 11:17:22 AM | message detail
Wonder if we'll get a Brawl/MGS4-esque 1v1 to finish this GOTY set off.
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#327 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 1/10/2014 12:08:45 PM | message detail
this spreadsheet is lameeeee
#328 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 3:22:04 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Wonder if we'll get a Brawl/MGS4-esque 1v1 to finish this GOTY set off.


Here is the response I got from Bacon when I request a 1v1 poll for tomorrow:

Message From GameFAQs on 01/10/2014

No


I mentioned the fact that he did a 1v1 poll for the GotY 2008 polls and he decides to completely pull a 180 on me by choosing not to do a 1v1 even though he did it back in 2008.
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#329 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2014 4:09:14 PM | message detail
Probably because the game he wanted to win didn't win in 2008.

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#330 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 1/10/2014 4:18:20 PM | message detail
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#331 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/10/2014 4:25:33 PM | message detail
Oh, lame.
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#332 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 4:34:47 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
this spreadsheet is lameeeee


Well, I can only update this spreadsheet manually, so I have no way of automatically doing it. That means when I need to go to sleep, there won't be any updates during that time. But I do have a script that is archiving each update on my computer so I can manually input those updates into the spreadsheet later.

I do have the spreadsheet up to date again.
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#333 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 9:06:39 PM | message detail
Looks like 3DS will win System of the Year. The addition of the PS4 into this poll has hurt the PS3. Even the Wii U still sucks badly even after the release of Super Mario 3D World and Wind Waker HD. Wii U is just barely above a heavily LFFed Xbox 360.
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#334 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/10/2014 9:09:19 PM | message detail
Wii U is likely getting SFF'd by the 3DS. It's not really fair to give the 360 an excuse when the Wii U has an even bigger one.
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#335 | ZFS | Posted 1/10/2014 9:22:27 PM | message detail
3DS rockin' it, nice. Definitely was the system I used the most. Nothing else comes close!
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#336 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 9:28:47 PM | message detail
And now Wii U is losing to Xbox 360.
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#337 | Big Bob | Posted 1/10/2014 9:31:41 PM | message detail
I had to vote 3DS. Aside from Netflix on PS3, I probably played my 3DS more than any other system this year. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Etrian Odyssey, Phoenix Wright. And some from previous years, too (VLR, Mario 3D Land, Professor Layton). So many hours spent playing games.
#338 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/10/2014 9:46:05 PM | message detail
Poll updates and trend charts for yesterday's division:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdGEwVlRnV3FIUC05SjQ2VWpNVHQzN2c&gid=1

GTA V somehow had a good board vote for some reason, even though it usually gets anti-voted. Dropped off a lot after the board vote. Had an average night vote when GTA usually has a good night vote in the contests. The early morning vote was better than the night vote, but then GTA V drops off during the later part of the morning vote. ASV was a very good time period for GTA V for some reason, probably because TLoU has a below average ASV and Zelda dropped off a bit after that supercharged morning vote. So someone has to take advantage of TLoU and Zelda dropping off. GTA V drops off during the SNV.

The Last of Us had a terrible board vote, but managed to recover a bit during the Power Hour. Night vote was the best time period for TLoU, with the early morning vote being a good time period for it as well. It performed worst during the late morning vote and the ASV, but recovered a bit during the SNV.

Zelda had a good board vote when compared to TLoU. But compared to Zelda's final percentage, the board vote was below average. During the night vote, Zelda remained strong until 4:00 AM and then collapsed, allowing TLoU to make an attempt at a comeback. But Zelda instantly recovered when the morning vote kicked in and slowly gained more strength as the morning vote progressed. Zelda began dropping off near the end of the DSV (right before the ASV) and remained fairly stable for the rest of the poll. Overall, the ASV and SNV were still better than Zelda's night vote and early morning vote.
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#339 | spooky96 | Posted 1/10/2014 11:52:59 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
Wonder if we'll get a Brawl/MGS4-esque 1v1 to finish this GOTY set off.


Here is the response I got from Bacon when I request a 1v1 poll for tomorrow:

Message From GameFAQs on 01/10/2014

No


I mentioned the fact that he did a 1v1 poll for the GotY 2008 polls and he decides to completely pull a 180 on me by choosing not to do a 1v1 even though he did it back in 2008.


He literally talks most of the time as if he hates us deeply.
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#340 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/11/2014 12:23:53 AM | message detail
Is this the last "best in 2013" poll?
Also kinda sad there isn't 1vs1,was his response simply a "no"? that's kinda lame
#341 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/11/2014 1:18:10 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Is this the last "best in 2013" poll?
Also kinda sad there isn't 1vs1,was his response simply a "no"? that's kinda lame


I don't think this will be the last "BEST OF 2013" poll. Here are some possible ideas for other "BEST OF 2013" polls:

Game of the Generation
FAQ of the Year
Review of the Year


Game of the Generation is the only poll I am interested in seeing. FAQ of the Year and Review of the Year sucked terribly last year. Review of the Year barely reached 10000 votes before the poll ended.
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#342 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/11/2014 2:00:51 AM | message detail
Kinda off topic but I just realized how many of the 243 characters from last contest I didn't play their game
Freaking 112 and it does not include characters like Snake,Fox,Falco,Wolf,G&W,Pit,Ike,Falcon,Ness that I never played their game but I have enough of SSB hours so they count as "played"
Does not count CATS because most people know him just from the meme and Master Chief because I played Halo online

I thought I cut down the number alot because I played many games after the contest but...it's only down to 98 now
As I played Bioshock 1-3,Assassin's Creed 1+2,VVVVVVV,Skullgirls and Mass Effect 1-3

I really need to play FFX and Xeno+Tales series to be a part of GameFAQs I guess
#343 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 1/11/2014 2:38:35 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4963
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5384

I noticed Wii U is doing even worse this year compared to last year, even though the Wii U has a larger library of games compared to last year. And that's even with the PlayStation LFF and Xbox LFF in the same poll this year.
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#344 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/11/2014 2:52:38 AM | message detail
Well just like someone said,it is SFFd hard by 3DS this year
The 3DS wasn't too big in 2012
#345 | lightning-02 | Posted 1/11/2014 3:16:17 AM | message detail
Allen changing the established precedent to suit his preferred winner? I am absolutely shocked, nobody could have foreseen this.
#346 | Nanis23 | Posted 1/11/2014 3:30:36 AM | message detail
What the hell happened in 2009 then? why did he allow another poll? was there a big forum outrage that SSBB only won because of Fallout 3 in the poll?
This time it's even more unfair
#347 | HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2014 4:06:01 AM | message detail
Poorly played, SB. It's easy to critique, sure, but follow your own precedent so we can get a fair and controversy-free winner of GotY in a great year for games. Dammit, it's 1-1 and they should still have a close match! Gotta favor LoZ:LBW, but it's absolutely a mystery worth unfolding.


Happy to see my bold prediction of the 3DS winning SotY is happening. Its library was just too strong and Nintendo will now have a lot of Nintendo-fans backing their handheld instead of their console for the first time,
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#348 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 1/11/2014 4:13:04 AM | message detail
Dominant performance by 3DS. PS3 would have to get the vast majority of the PS4 votes to win this one, high enough that I think 3DS would be winning this one regardless, though it'd be close enough that rallies could shake things up.
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#349 | Safer_777 | Posted 1/11/2014 4:16:52 AM | message detail
Man 3DS is having almost 1/3 of the votes! I voted for this because of Fire Emblem and Pokemon.
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#350 | spooky96 | Posted 1/11/2014 4:59:36 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
Allen changing the established precedent to suit his preferred winner? I am absolutely shocked, nobody could have foreseen this.


haha true
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