Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1184

#301 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/19/2013 5:51:56 AM | message detail
Interesting contest
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#302 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/19/2013 2:04:08 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Twilight Princess and Brawl are the strongest games of their console generation but we know what this site thinks of the Wii.


They both got murdered by Skyrim in the Game of the Generation poll though, and Twilight Princess also lost to Mass Effect 2.

Considering how unreliable polls often are though, I wouldn't be surprised if Brawl and Twilight Princess actually took it to Skyrim in an actual games contest. Also I feel as if at least the latter is more well-liked now than it was a few years ago, so who knows?
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#303 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/19/2013 5:48:54 PM | message detail
Brawl, maybe. TP, doubt it.

Excluding League of Legends, I think Skyrim would be a big contender for Game of the Generation. I'm not really sure what would even come close besides something with huge rally potential.
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#304 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/19/2013 8:09:53 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Twilight Princess and Brawl are the strongest games of their console generation but we know what this site thinks of the Wii.


We all know what the site currently thinks of the Wii - extreme hate for it. But if we considered the entire history of the Wii and its game library, it would probably be slightly different than that.
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#305 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/20/2013 2:56:04 AM | message detail
Two comparisons for Brawl/Skyrim if we ever have a Game Of The Generation-contest:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4841
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4594

Both favor Skyrim, but with asterisks attached.

X-factors back it up too. Being on the Wii will hurt Brawl more today than 2010; it can't afford to lose much strength when Skyrim outperformed it against LoZ:SS in 2011/2012. Throw in SSB4 replacing Brawl soon, GameFAQs shifting to WRPGs in recent years, how huge Skyrim's been even off GameFAQs...this is probably Skyrim's title to lose. Nintendo-bias alone won't cut it here -- heck, it might be why Brawl loses if Game Of The Decade taught us anything.
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#306 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 3:01:35 AM | message detail
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-sells-1-million-ps4s-on-day-one-in-north-america/1100-6416221/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-first-week-sales-fall-short-of-wii/1100-6401223/

PS4 = over 1 million units sold on the first day
Wii = about 475000 units sold in the first week

So despite the PS4 destroying the original Wii in total sales during the first day of their respective launches, the PS4 only got 8.48% ownership on GameFAQs while the Wii got 23.74% ownership on GameFAQs.
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#307 | Achromatic | Posted 11/20/2013 3:07:23 AM | message detail
Luster, why aren't you counting the people who said 'waiting to be delivered.' Clearly they bought it online and already purchased it.
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#308 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 3:27:57 AM | message detail
I didn't count those people because I don't know many of them actually received it on the launch day.
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#309 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/20/2013 5:40:36 AM | message detail
But to Sony they already bought it on launch day.
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#310 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/20/2013 8:07:47 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
Two comparisons for Brawl/Skyrim if we ever have a Game Of The Generation-contest:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4841
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4594

Both favor Skyrim, but with asterisks attached.

X-factors back it up too. Being on the Wii will hurt Brawl more today than 2010; it can't afford to lose much strength when Skyrim outperformed it against LoZ:SS in 2011/2012. Throw in SSB4 replacing Brawl soon, GameFAQs shifting to WRPGs in recent years, how huge Skyrim's been even off GameFAQs...this is probably Skyrim's title to lose. Nintendo-bias alone won't cut it here -- heck, it might be why Brawl loses if Game Of The Decade taught us anything.


I feel as if Galaxy holding up better against TP and Brawl in that poll than in the contests that took place the years before isn't a good sign for the latter two games. I could be wrong of course and it might just be a stupidly good sign for Galaxy.

Did Galaxy seriously do 10% better against TP in that poll than it did in Game of the Decade?

Oh and just so you guys want to know, TP > Galaxy actually isn't just this site's bias towards Zelda. TP is ranked 3 spots higher on unikgamer as well (#44 vs. #47, then again seeing how Majora's Mask and Wind Waker are ahead of the likes of Mario 3, Final Fantasy VI, and Super Metroid there it might just be bias towards the series as well).
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#311 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/20/2013 8:23:43 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
Two comparisons for Brawl/Skyrim if we ever have a Game Of The Generation-contest:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4841
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4594

Both favor Skyrim, but with asterisks attached.

X-factors back it up too. Being on the Wii will hurt Brawl more today than 2010; it can't afford to lose much strength when Skyrim outperformed it against LoZ:SS in 2011/2012. Throw in SSB4 replacing Brawl soon, GameFAQs shifting to WRPGs in recent years, how huge Skyrim's been even off GameFAQs...this is probably Skyrim's title to lose. Nintendo-bias alone won't cut it here -- heck, it might be why Brawl loses if Game Of The Decade taught us anything.


But if GameFAQs has been shifting to WRPGs recently.. why have so many western characters stunk last contest?? (Off the top of my head, the only ones who looked good were the Mass Effect crew)
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#312 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 11/20/2013 8:28:51 AM | message detail
Name one character created during the last generation, western or not, that didn't bomb barring massive rallies aside from the Mass Effect crew.
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#313 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/20/2013 9:04:12 AM | message detail
Also, what exactly is meant by "cult character" anyway? I saw this come up in a discussion of who'd win between a hated character from a popular franchise, and a loved character from a cult franchise.
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#314 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/20/2013 9:25:17 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Name one character created during the last generation, western or not, that didn't bomb barring massive rallies aside from the Mass Effect crew.


GLaDOS!


Fayt_Esteed posted...
But if GameFAQs has been shifting to WRPGs recently.. why have so many western characters stunk last contest?? (Off the top of my head, the only ones who looked good were the Mass Effect crew)


I can't explain their weakness well, but it's worth noting how many more Western characters we saw appear in the last contest than usual...largely because of the contest-format, but still!

Our past three GotY-winners have been Borderlands 2, Skyrim, and Mass Effect 2...all WRPGs to some degree. Between those three games and 2009's Modern Warfare 2, Western games have won every GotY-award since Brawl won in 2008. That's a trend that can't be ignored while the Wii-brand tumbles.
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#315 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 11/20/2013 9:27:46 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...

GLaDOS!


And it took five years for her to rise to the incredible peak of Ike!
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#316 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 11/20/2013 9:29:48 AM | message detail | (edited)
(Really though, GLaDOS supports my point! 31% on Kirby is no good, especially 31% during the year of anti-blowoutFAQs!)
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#317 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/20/2013 9:30:05 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Name one character created during the last generation, western or not, that didn't bomb barring massive rallies aside from the Mass Effect crew.


DRAVEN LOLOLOLOLlololol
#318 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/20/2013 10:05:40 AM | message detail | (edited)
HaRRicH posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Name one character created during the last generation, western or not, that didn't bomb barring massive rallies aside from the Mass Effect crew.


GLaDOS!


Fayt_Esteed posted...
But if GameFAQs has been shifting to WRPGs recently.. why have so many western characters stunk last contest?? (Off the top of my head, the only ones who looked good were the Mass Effect crew)


I can't explain their weakness well, but it's worth noting how many more Western characters we saw appear in the last contest than usual...largely because of the contest-format, but still!

Our past three GotY-winners have been Borderlands 2, Skyrim, and Mass Effect 2...all WRPGs to some degree. Between those three games and 2009's Modern Warfare 2, Western games have won every GotY-award since Brawl won in 2008. That's a trend that can't be ignored while the Wii-brand tumbles.


Well, it's true we saw more Western characters than usual, but at the same time, most of them got embarrassed (including all of the Borderlands reps, Dragonborn, Corvo, and JC Denton); despite Mass Effect in general doing well, Shepard's performances in round 1 and round 2 also leave me scratching my head.

Also, personally, I'm not sure if we can really take GOTY polls to mean much.
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#319 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/20/2013 1:43:38 PM | message detail
On the flip-side, western games looked beastly in the last couple game contests.

Games =/= characters probably holds truer to western games, especially those like Skyrim that don't really have stand-out or main characters.
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#320 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/20/2013 3:19:01 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
And it took five years for her to rise to the incredible peak of Ike!
[...]
(Really though, GLaDOS supports my point! 31% on Kirby is no good, especially 31% during the year of anti-blowoutFAQs!)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5235
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5256

Portal 2 and better pictures boosted GLaDOS since those days. She didn't need Epona to beat Ike this year (probably didn't need Ike to beat Epona, either).


Fayt_Esteed posted...
despite Mass Effect in general doing well, Shepard's performances in round 1 and round 2 also leave me scratching my head.

Female Shepard was used against Olimar. it was quite the drop-off, but I thought edging out Aeris the next round showed Male Shepard was fine -- it was a debated match anyway.
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#321 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/20/2013 4:02:11 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
And it took five years for her to rise to the incredible peak of Ike!
[...]
(Really though, GLaDOS supports my point! 31% on Kirby is no good, especially 31% during the year of anti-blowoutFAQs!)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5235
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5256

Portal 2 and better pictures boosted GLaDOS since those days. She didn't need Epona to beat Ike this year (probably didn't need Ike to beat Epona, either).


Fayt_Esteed posted...
despite Mass Effect in general doing well, Shepard's performances in round 1 and round 2 also leave me scratching my head.

Female Shepard was used against Olimar. it was quite the drop-off, but I thought edging out Aeris the next round showed Male Shepard was fine -- it was a debated match anyway.


iono, man. I'm personally pretty hesitant about hyping up:
-51.29% on Aeris
-in a 12 hour day match
-during a very very bad year for FF7

Also, personally, that performance on Tharja is also suspect, especially for the likes of me who think that FE characters who aren't integral to the story are very likely to perform like trash.
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#322 | DidYouMWISMe | Posted 11/20/2013 4:40:21 PM | message detail
Having just recently purchased a 3DS and Fire Emblem: Awakening I'm genuinely shocked Tharja's one of the most popular characters from the game. She isn't just an ancillary character, she's also incredibly annoying.
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#323 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/20/2013 4:44:54 PM | message detail
HaRRiCH, pointing out Portal 2 doesn't help, since my argument was MODERN characters suck. GLaDOS is older now than Cloud was during the first contest!
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#324 | DidYouMWISMe | Posted 11/20/2013 4:49:15 PM | message detail
Modern characters don't all suck, nostalgia just makes us appreciate older characters more.
That and, I can't help but think that the lack of competition has disproportionately benefited characters from older titles. There's so much more choice now -- so many more major releases each year. The market has diversified tremendously. Characters like Link and Cloud benefit from the fact that their marquee titles were practically the only options on the market in the '90s. All my RPG fanatic friends played FFVII in '97; now in 2013, some prefer the Tales series while others are into Fire Emblem but there's also Ni No Kuni and Xenoblade and Skyrim and Mass Effect and Persona and Etrian Odyssey and plenty of Indie titles...
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#325 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 8:03:55 PM | message detail
I now have a prediction topic for the Xbox One's launch day ownership on GameFAQs:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67892406

Last week, I ran a prediction topic for the PS4 and the best prediction was 8.42% (0.06% from a perfect prediction).
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#326 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 9:03:52 PM | message detail
XD, Bacon forgot to include "None of them" in today's poll. The vote totals are really horrible without that option in this poll. This wouldn't be the first time that Bacon added an option to a poll that has already started. I recall some poll several years ago that received an extra option after the poll started.
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#327 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 9:23:01 PM | message detail
Man, the vote totals are really bad without "None of them" in this poll. It's a little early right now, but this poll looks like it's going to get under 20000 votes without "None of them" as an option here.
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#328 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/20/2013 9:32:30 PM | message detail
Having just recently purchased a 3DS and Fire Emblem: Awakening I'm genuinely shocked Tharja's one of the most popular characters from the game. She isn't just an ancillary character, she's also incredibly annoying.

I feel Fire Emblem characters would be Pokemon-light where many of its characters are around the same strength. I don't see characters like Vaike or Sumia having a big difference in strength than Tharja.
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#329 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 11/20/2013 9:35:14 PM | message detail
55% ownership for Wii U! Look at the power of Super Mario 3D World. I think we have an Ocarina of Time-slayer...and it's not even in our hands yet!
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#330 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 9:39:26 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
55% ownership for Wii U! Look at the power of Super Mario 3D World. I think we have an Ocarina of Time-slayer...and it's not even in our hands yet!


This poll is very misleading because there's no option for "None of them" in this poll. I wouldn't trust this poll until that option gets added to the poll. The earlier that happens, the less of a chance that the results were skewed by not having "None of them" in this poll.
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#331 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 11/20/2013 9:41:05 PM | message detail
That's for that, Luster.
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#332 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 10:02:11 PM | message detail
And we broke 2000 votes by the end of the first hour. At this pace, we could still break 20000 votes. If we continue this poll without the "None of them" option, we're looking at somewhere between 18000 and 22000 votes. If Bacon adds that poll option within the next 2 hours, we'll probably still end up with under 30000 votes, but it will be less pathetic than usual.
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#333 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/20/2013 10:16:38 PM | message detail
WHAT THE ****
No really how could he forget to put the option that will get 70% of the votes?
#334 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/20/2013 10:20:05 PM | message detail
What was the big rush putting this poll today instead of two days from now though?
#335 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2013 10:28:01 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
WHAT THE ****
No really how could he forget to put the option that will get 70% of the votes?


That option would probably around 50%, based on how this poll would probably get around 35000 votes in a normal situation.


Nanis23 posted...
What was the big rush putting this poll today instead of two days from now though?


Yeah, I am very surprised that he put up this poll today instead of doing it after the Xbox One came out.
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#336 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/20/2013 10:36:59 PM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
Having just recently purchased a 3DS and Fire Emblem: Awakening I'm genuinely shocked Tharja's one of the most popular characters from the game. She isn't just an ancillary character, she's also incredibly annoying.

I feel Fire Emblem characters would be Pokemon-light where many of its characters are around the same strength. I don't see characters like Vaike or Sumia having a big difference in strength than Tharja.


Maybe, maybe not. Though I don't foresee very many FE characters besides Marth and Ike making the field in the future, because ensemble cast syndrome. Still... I refuse to see Tharja - an ancillary character - as anywhere near, much less stronger than Lyndis, who actually had some relevance to her game's story.
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#337 | superange128 | Posted 11/20/2013 11:28:37 PM | message detail
DidYouMWISMe posted...
Having just recently purchased a 3DS and Fire Emblem: Awakening I'm genuinely shocked Tharja's one of the most popular characters from the game. She isn't just an ancillary character, she's also incredibly annoying.


Her archetype is an anime trope that's slowly getting popularity
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#338 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/21/2013 12:07:54 AM | message detail
I think she is popular because of her looks alone...

Also about today poll,maybe Allen is actually clever and is making this poll today and will do the same poll two days from now just with that extra,missing option
#339 | DidYouMWISMe | Posted 11/21/2013 12:16:26 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I think she is popular because of her looks alone...


But like, 90% of the Fire Emblem: Awakening cast is more attractive than Tharja.
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#340 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/21/2013 10:04:56 AM | message detail | (edited)
Also, man, it's a crime that we didn't get this matchup back when it'd have been interesting, as Mario vs Sonic probably won't be interesting nowadays...
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#341 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/21/2013 12:50:52 PM | message detail
To be fair, Mario would pretty much beat Sonic down no matter what the year.

It's just that back then, Sonic may have had a chance if you threw Luigi and Bowser in the mix.
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#342 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/21/2013 9:00:49 PM | message detail
The last poll option in today's poll received the first 34 votes before another option got its first vote.
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#343 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/21/2013 9:06:19 PM | message detail
3.33% ownership for the Xbox One at the freeze. That's slightly higher than the prediction I made.
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#344 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/21/2013 9:44:10 PM | message detail
On the subject of yesterday's poll, I decided to see what would happen to yesterday's results if you inserted "None of them" into the poll and gave it 15000 votes. We end up with this instead:

Just a PlayStation 4 20.53% 7513
Just a Wii U 19.72% 7215
Just an Xbox One 4.48% 1639
PlayStation 4 and Wii U 8.08% 2955
PlayStation 4 and Xbox One 1.76% 644
Wii U and Xbox One 1.35% 493
All three 3.10% 1134
None of them 40.99% 15000
TOTAL VOTES 36593

That's closer to what I expect if Bacon remembered to include "None of them". I think 15000 votes for "None of them" is slightly underestimating what would have actually happened if we had that option in the poll.
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#345 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/21/2013 11:50:02 PM | message detail
I think it's a fad right now to hate the Xboxone and vote against it here..really
Or...it's really doing this bad?
#346 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/21/2013 11:54:28 PM | message detail
90% in a 5-way poll is no joke here. There are only a handful of options that have gotten over 90% during the entire history of these polls (including contest matches).
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#347 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/22/2013 4:13:20 AM | message detail
I wonder how many % it would get if it was worded with "No,and I will never buy one"
#348 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/22/2013 6:38:31 AM | message detail
Considering it's already at 90%, changing it to "No, and I will never buy one" will have a very small increase in the number of people voting for that option.
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#349 | Nanis23 | Posted 11/22/2013 7:34:33 AM | message detail
Are you keeping track on the updates?
It's pretty stable on 90% but i'm interested if there is any difference between the voting of Amercians and Europeans
#350 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/22/2013 7:55:42 AM | message detail
Yes, I am keeping track of the updates. I also tracked poll updates for the PS4 poll last week.
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