Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1183

#201 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/19/2013 6:37:45 AM | message detail
oh I probably will but complaining seemed like a much higher priority at the moment <_<
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#202 | snoocete | Posted 9/19/2013 8:22:17 AM | message detail
Link
Mario
Samus
Snake

Can there be a three-way involving these characters that doesn't have Samus taking third place?
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#203 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/19/2013 8:54:24 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Man the contest pages on the wiki for this year have really not got off on the right foot. Samus is listed as the strongest Nintendo character in the main bracket (...). Link's Contest History for this year is 90% a play-by-play of LSD. Charizard > Zelda is listed as an upset.


Don't forget Crono still being listed in the Noble Nine!
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#204 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/19/2013 11:06:06 AM | message detail
snoocete posted...
Link
Mario
Samus
Snake

Can there be a three-way involving these characters that doesn't have Samus taking third place?


Yes.

Samus
Snake
Snake

>_>
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#205 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/19/2013 11:07:46 AM | message detail
Why was the Raw Xstats topic purged
..Should have posted here as this topic is going to live for a long,long time..
#206 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/19/2013 11:10:51 AM | message detail
Link/Mario/Samus is the best hope for Samus. The idea is to try to neutralize Mario's SFF advantage within the Nintendo fanbase as much as possible by having Link take up the Ninty fanbase votes. Mario only got 54% on her in the 2008 Link/Mario/Samus/Crono match.
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#207 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/19/2013 11:11:00 AM | message detail
Vivi vs. Red: who wins?

It's been bothering me more than any other potential matchup as a late.
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#208 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/19/2013 11:33:52 AM | message detail
Another record broke by Draven eh? Also the strange thing about Draven is that he had the smallest win percentage in the first match from all the matches he won!
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#209 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/19/2013 11:40:10 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Man the contest pages on the wiki for this year have really not got off on the right foot. Samus is listed as the strongest Nintendo character in the main bracket (...). Link's Contest History for this year is 90% a play-by-play of LSD. Charizard > Zelda is listed as an upset.


What's wrong with Link's history page detailing his history?
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#210 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 9/19/2013 11:44:09 AM | message detail
Haste_2 posted...
Vivi vs. Red: who wins?

It's been bothering me more than any other potential matchup as a late.

Vivi only needs 60% of Squall's votes to win against Red. Definitely managable.
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#211 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/19/2013 2:21:07 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
Nanis23 posted...
I hate Crono strength as well but I still think he should be stronger than Sonic so what really happened in 2006...?
Sonic 2006 hype? (If it really is the reason...then lol)


It would be funny if Sonics most hated game was the reason for his strongest performance ever.


It's possible! Hype of a game can often be better for a character than the game itself. And Sonic 2006 was supposed to be a big release--basically everything that Sonic Generations ended up actually being (I mean, part of the problem was that it was supposed to be a 15th anniversary celebration, so they rushed it to make sure that it would be out by the 2006 holiday season).

See also: Lightning being stronger before FFXIII was released than afterwards. Actually, it's funny--it seems like more often than not, those "super-fortuitous release dates" end up being less-than-beloved games. Mario's biggest upset came on the release date for Super Mario Sunshine, which most people think is the worst 3D console Mario (though I disagree), and of course there's Golden Sun > San Andreas on the release date for Dark Dawn, which turned out to be a travesty (and yet, I still want Camelot to make the fourth game, if only because I can't imagine they could do any worse. Well, that and the one thing about Dark Dawn that was good was the story, and they left us with one hell of a cliffhanger.)


And don't forget Sub-Zero upsetting Master Choke on the day of Mortal Kombat: Armageddon's release.

But there was Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, which is supposedly one of the best Pokemon games.

Then there was Master Chief performing well due to Halo 3 hype.

You guys still think Samus was overperforming because of Other M hype in 2010? She didn't seem to be a whole lot weaker this year.

To be fair however, most of those "super-fortuitous release dates" games can just be blamed on overly high expectations. At the very least, hype backlash is the only reason I can think of for games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Brawl getting so much flak.
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#212 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/19/2013 2:28:02 PM | message detail
Also why on earth is Sonic still dropping? I guess it makes sense if this site doesn't care much for newer Sonic games or even for Sonic games period and he gets votes mostly off of recognizability or importance, but man. You'd think after his recent resurgence that he'd be able to get his act together.
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#213 | superange128 | Posted 9/19/2013 2:29:09 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67253869
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#214 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/19/2013 3:02:07 PM | message detail
I've got a better question.

What's the deal with LMS's sig.
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#215 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/19/2013 3:36:51 PM | message detail
A likely awful attempt to let you guys know I should never have made a big deal out of that game.

But regardless of what I've said, I can at least begin to understand why MOM gets so much flak. With something like Wind Waker, Shadow of the Colossus, or even Super Mario Sunshine though? Nope. Not at all.
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#216 | xp1337 | Posted 9/19/2013 5:50:57 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Charizard > Zelda is listed as an upset.

what an underdog story
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#217 | snoocete | Posted 9/20/2013 7:56:26 AM | message detail
We should really get Bulbasaur in the next contest

It might be more popular than Squirtle since in the anime May also had a Bulbasaur
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#218 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/20/2013 7:59:06 AM | message detail
Kanto starters in XY boost
#219 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/20/2013 8:12:41 AM | message detail | (edited)
snoocete posted...
We should really get Bulbasaur in the next contest

It might be more popular than Squirtle since in the anime May also had a Bulbasaur
The episode where she caught this Bulbasaur aired in the U.S. in 2005. I think almost nobody on this site other than those who vote for every single pokemon regardless were still watching the anime by that point.

Pretty much nothing Pokemon-related past 2001 or so is going to matter for RBY Pokemon. (And I'm including Smash appearances in that! Ivysaur is not going to be stronger than Bulbasaur.)

Bulbasaur would likely be fairly strong, but Squirtle should be his ceiling. Though since Squirtle beat Cloud, that's not a bad ceiling to have.
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#220 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/20/2013 8:46:14 AM | message detail
Slowpoke or bust
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#221 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/20/2013 9:33:07 AM | message detail
Still baffles me that Sonic and Mortal Kombat characters performed poorly last contest despite the time between contests arguably being the best years for those franchises in years.

Makes me feel as if GameFAQs just feels like anti-voting both of them just because they're big again instead of being left to be '90s icons. Heck, you could argue the same for Mario. And then there's Samus doing well in spite of the time between contests being arguably the worst years for her franchise.

Maybe GameFAQs users are just anti-voting everything that's big nowadays?
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#222 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/20/2013 9:50:29 AM | message detail | (edited)
LinkMarioSamus posted...

Maybe GameFAQs users are just anti-voting everything that's big nowadays?


Almost certainly. 2010 hinted at this but it became really obvious this year. FFVII still receives the most antivotes, of course, but I'd say Link and Mario also heavily antivoted (someone else made the point that antivotes probably cost Link the match against Draven). Snake, Samus, and Mega Man avoid antivotes the best.

If these contests were yearly like they used to be I would say that Pokemon would start to get antivoted badly once again, but most users probably still don't realise just how dominant they were this year. With CBs being so spread out now, it's harder for the average voter to recognise trends like the rise of Pokemon. In terms of contest knowledge, they're still stuck in 2005 where Link and Sephiroth always win like usual.
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#223 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/20/2013 1:13:22 PM | message detail
After probably way too much tweaking, I'm happy to present my first post-contest mock bracket! This is built around avoiding SFF situations and the idea that fights for first are more exciting than fights for 2nd/3rd. No new characters right now as I'm trying to extol the virtues of more traditional formats... this is something of a hybrid. 12 hr 3-way fights for R1, 24 hr 1v1 for R2 onward.

Assume Draven is retired until the bonus battle as reigning champion... and massive amounts of bracket fixing.

Best Character Ever Division

Solid Snake
Slime
Tharja

Vincent Valentine
Morrigan Aensland
Revolver Ocelot

Samus Aran
Bayonetta
Lightning

Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Alucard
Proto Man

Vivi
Bowser
L-Block

Squirtle
Midna
Red XIII

Luigi
Ryu Hayabusa
Dracula

Squall Leonhart
Lara Croft
Pac-Man

Always Wins Division

Cloud Strife
Spyro the Dragon
Lloyd Irving

CATS
Magus
Master Chief

Mewtwo
Epona
Amaterasu

Auron
Meta-Knight
Rydia

Mario
Spring Breeze Dancin'
Chester

GlaDOS
Zidane
Pokemon Trainer Blue

Dante
Kefka
Fox McCloud

Sora
Phoenix Wright
The Boss

Miranda Rights Division

Link
Yu Narukami
Gilgamesh

Frog
Leon Kennedy
Ike

Ryu (SF)
Yuna
Yoshi

Pokemon Trainer Red
Ridley
Terra

Crono
Gordon Freeman
Aerith Gainsborough

Zero
Charizard
Ganondorf

Sephiroth
Pikachu
Dragonborn

Sonic
Big Boss
Scorpion

Unstopped Madness Division

Mega Man X
Kirby
Kratos

Mega Man
Raiden
Isaac (GS)

Knuckles the Echidna
Tidus
Jill Valentine

Commander Shepard
Missingno
Sub-Zero

Altair
Cecil Harvey
Riku

Captain Falcon
Albert Wesker
Rikku

Tifa Lockheart
Ness
Nathan Drake

Zelda
Weighted Companion Cube
Zack Fair
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#224 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/20/2013 1:14:47 PM | message detail
why are there only 8 matches per division
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#225 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/20/2013 1:15:33 PM | message detail
oh i see

in that case why are you wasting vincent on snake

give him to squirtle
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#226 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/20/2013 1:27:32 PM | message detail
Zero
Charizard
Ganondorf


33-33-33 match?
#227 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/20/2013 1:38:19 PM | message detail
I'm trying to make interesting matches not boring blowouts

Vincent's gonna have his hands full with Morrigan and Ocelot as it is
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#228 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/20/2013 1:40:22 PM | message detail
Hell, let's see Vincent vs Kirby 1v1. I bet Kirby would actually be the board favorite in that one!
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#229 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/20/2013 1:53:11 PM | message detail
I mean I guess I could have given Vincent to like Luigi or Kirby or something but then it would have been a pretty obvious unanimous pick against Vincent instead of something debatable

Maybe switch Ike and Vincent to get Ike/Morrigan/Ocelot and Frog/Leon/Vincent. Both of those setups seem pretty sexy, though Vincent+Frog seems a lot more favorable for Leon than Frog+Ike.

Most of the action is in the later 1v1 setups anyway.
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#230 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/20/2013 2:17:12 PM | message detail | (edited)
RIP Liquid Snake
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#231 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/20/2013 2:19:08 PM | message detail
well obviously this is still running under 2013 conditions otherwise Sora and Charizard would be retired as well
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#232 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/20/2013 2:35:41 PM | message detail
did you see the x-stats, Vincent didn't drop at all /kappa
#233 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/20/2013 2:43:12 PM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...

Maybe GameFAQs users are just anti-voting everything that's big nowadays?


Almost certainly. 2010 hinted at this but it became really obvious this year. FFVII still receives the most antivotes, of course, but I'd say Link and Mario also heavily antivoted (someone else made the point that antivotes probably cost Link the match against Draven). Snake, Samus, and Mega Man avoid antivotes the best.


There you go. To GameFAQs users, it's better to receive no games or even bad games than to receive good games that make you big again.

...that doesn't seem to be what you were talking about. I was sarcastically suggesting that Mortal Kombat and Sonic were getting anti-voted due to being big again, and thinking that it may hold some weight since:

-Mario and FFVII characters all crapped the bed, which makes sense since those games are being whored out by Nintendo/Square nowadays.

-Samus and Mega Man seemed to be not very far below their 2010 strength levels at absolute worst, despite the former receiving a huge flop in between contests while the latter infamously had all his games cancelled. The idea being that they were relegated to being mere memories of an earlier time as a result, and thus did well due to "not being big nowadays".
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#234 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/20/2013 3:14:47 PM | message detail
can I get anyone convinced to bite on the CATS upset
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#235 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/20/2013 3:22:39 PM | message detail
Poor CATS
Was the very first joke character in those contests,and yet he only stands from the side and looking at L-Block,Missingno,WCC and friends dominate matches but he never won a match
Even the guy he beat 5 years ago should double him by now


....And it's been years since I heard someone joke about All your Base...today memes are 9gag rage faces and Miley Cyrus
#236 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/20/2013 3:23:38 PM | message detail
CATS vs CB9 champion Guybrush Threepwood, go.
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#237 | Whupassman | Posted 9/20/2013 3:25:31 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Poor CATS
Was the very first joke character in those contests,and yet he only stands from the side and looking at L-Block,Missingno,WCC and friends dominate matches but he never won a match
Even the guy he beat 5 years ago should double him by now


....And it's been years since I heard someone joke about All your Base...today memes are 9gag rage faces and Miley Cyrus


L-Block was a representative of the board 8 of thattime, we were all still relatively young and knew how to have a laugh.
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#238 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/20/2013 7:33:13 PM | message detail
R1 matches I like:
Ezio Auditore da Firenze
Alucard
Proto Man

I'd like either Alucard or Proto Man to win here, but I dunno....

Vivi
Bowser
L-Block

Vivi's true test! Doubt he wins this time, though.

Auron
Meta-Knight
Rydia

NOOOO! Give MK or Rydia a chance to win, for once!

Mario
Spring Breeze Dancin'
Chester

Meh. I'd rather see Tanner vs. Serious Sam or something.

Sora
Phoenix Wright
The Boss

I'm rooting for PW, but I doubt he can quite pull it off.

Zero
Charizard
Ganondorf

Hmmmm.... I'll take Zero, because he very well could be stronger than the other two, anyway.

R2 matches:
Mewtwo vs. Auron... I'll be rooting for Auron, but this would show Mewtwo's true worth.
Sephiroth vs. Sonic... haha.
Mega Man X vs. Mega Man... "What? These are two different characters?!", say the confuzzled voters.

R3:
Snake vs. Samus... well, at least we can settle this once and for all.
Vivi (if he can make it) vs. Squall.... ah, and now this can settled once and for all!
Cloud vs. Auron/Mewtwo... it would be awesome if Auron could do it, but I don't think he's quite there.
Crono vs. Sephiroth/Sonic... perfect bracket placement. I think I'd favor Crono as long as the vote totals stay this low.

R4 matches:
Cloud vs. Mario....ah, yes. The most demanded rematch.

R5 matches:
Snake vs. Cloud/Mario... we ought to see one of these (re)matches, just in case.
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#239 | pirate109 | Posted 9/21/2013 2:06:39 AM | message detail
Came in to say wow, the two ps4/xbone polls preceeding today's had almost identical vote totals.

Yep.
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#240 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/21/2013 2:09:29 AM | message detail
It also got 800 less votes than Pikachu/Mewtwo/Mega Man (such a totally useless bonus match urg)
#241 | Paratroopa1 | Posted 9/21/2013 2:21:22 AM | message detail
I feel bad for CATS. His performance in the last contest indicates that he's weak, but nowhere even near the bottom of the barrel in a field this deep. Slot him where Groose went and you could honestly convince me CATS stands a chance of being competitive in that one.
#242 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/21/2013 7:05:26 AM | message detail
Random question: what happens if Metroid Prime has a re-match against Vice City today? The stats for out last games contest suggests Vice City struggles to avoid a doubling.
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#243 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/21/2013 7:37:22 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Random question: what happens if Metroid Prime has a re-match against Vice City today? The stats for out last games contest suggests Vice City struggles to avoid a doubling.


Since you phrased it as "today," Vice City could be a sexy upset pick right now.

But that's not going to last. A month from now after everyone has finished playing GTA V, it probably goes past the doubling.
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#244 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/21/2013 11:29:49 AM | message detail
But this site doesn't care about GTAV.
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#245 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/21/2013 11:58:59 AM | message detail
Sure it does, it did quite well in the are you going to buy it poll.
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#246 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/21/2013 12:04:41 PM | message detail
Yeah that was a dumb statement.

Of course, it'll probably end up being true sooner rather than later. Although with all the praise GTAV is getting now...then again, didn't GTAIV get this much praise on release as well, only for the game to now get loads of hate now?
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#247 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/21/2013 12:20:05 PM | message detail
GTA IV got a lot of praise upon release... from the critics. Normal people and GTA fans found it disappointing (even if it is/was a technical marvel). I don't think GTA V will suffer the same backlash and will probably go down like San Andreas as a loved game.
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#248 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/21/2013 1:14:16 PM | message detail
What is the record for most stats topics in a match ever? I think this contest was Link vs Draven with 5?
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#249 | tennisboy213 | Posted 9/21/2013 1:18:16 PM | message detail
Kefka/Vercetti had 6 I think.
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#250 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/21/2013 1:24:18 PM | message detail
6 for Kefka? This guy is awesome!
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