Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1183

#51 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/17/2013 1:44:00 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So for the weakest character in every round we have.

Round 1=Chester
Round 2=Yoshimitsu
Round 3=Blue
Round 4=Red
Round 5=Samus.

Not bad.


Is this going by stats? Because I'd take Blue over Kefka easily.
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#52 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/17/2013 1:46:40 PM | message detail
Kefka got 35% on Snake, Fox got 32% in 2010

Would be close at least.
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#53 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 2:52:53 PM | message detail
Blue/Kefka to me basically depends on if it's a day or night match. In a 24 hour setting I'll lean toward Blue because Kefka probably overperformed slightly on Snake. Also, Pokerallies versus Final Fantasy.
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#54 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 3:25:36 PM | message detail
Blue feels like the right choice there based on intuition.
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#55 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/17/2013 3:35:07 PM | message detail
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#56 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/17/2013 3:36:23 PM | message detail
As for the question how many stat topic we had this contest
The first match of Link/Tingle/Isaac was the tenth page of 1056,so we can count from 1057

126?
Can be more,depending on what you consider "This contest" (ever since it was announced? ever since nomination were open? or ever since the bracket showed up?)
#57 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/17/2013 3:42:02 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/7-site-suggestions/67111376

Putting the PotD all over the site would just be really spammy. People not going to the front door of the site as often as they used to is something we plan to address soon, but taking the content from the front door and pasting it elsewhere isn't really part of the plan.

Well, that's a wrap. Wasn't expecting anything much different than that but had to try (again). Thanks for the signs.

Got any guesses about what he plans to add to the main page?
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#58 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/17/2013 3:44:01 PM | message detail
Maybe instead of a poll he changes the GameFAQs banner to let people know there's a contest going on.
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#59 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 3:57:59 PM | message detail | (edited)
A high quality contest that people care about will help our vote totals almost as much as anything else you can come up with. With no banner, no actual rallying to speak of (no, red sox, the r/LoL victory thread that didn't link to the poll doesn't count), in a 1v1 match that was decently close-ish but never in question, Link/Snake outdrew every single contest match that didn't have Draven in it.

High-quality bracketmaking with characters people really care about. We want to see Mario/Cloud II. Mega Man/Sephiroth II. Heavy hitting iconic matches like Tifa/Zelda and Pikachu/Vivi and MMX/Sonic. 1v1. 24 hours. Final Destination.
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#60 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:06:53 PM | message detail
126 topics eh? Also it isn't based on stats, I just see all the character and try to measure them how they will fare 1vs1 versus each other.
So obviously in round 1 Chester loses to everyone.
In round 2 I am sure that everyone beats Yoshimitsu 1vs1. Okay almost sure.
Round 3... This is the hardest. I guess either Kefka, Blue or Leon.
Round 4 is Red for sure.
And obviously round 5 is Samus.
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#61 | Ngamer64 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:09:49 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/7-site-suggestions/67111376

Putting the PotD all over the site would just be really spammy. People not going to the front door of the site as often as they used to is something we plan to address soon, but taking the content from the front door and pasting it elsewhere isn't really part of the plan.

Well, that's a wrap. Wasn't expecting anything much different than that but had to try (again). Thanks for the signs.

Shame that he closed the topic but you're right, getting the polls on every page was always a longshot. At least we got the nice compromise of the sitewide notification. Hopefully he runs that again next year but with the entrant names in red or something to draw a little more attention to it.
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#62 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:10:46 PM | message detail
clearly in CBX, Link and Snake should be retired for the Tournament of Champions ;)
#63 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:11:05 PM | message detail
ignore the fact that Snake has never won a contest
#64 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:15:20 PM | message detail
Snake is probably the only character even remotely capable of breaking 45% on Link today, which is... something. I don't think removing Snake is as needed though, even if he can break 55% on every other character in the field.

...even in that scenario, all you have to do is set up, say, Snake/Mega Man in an R3 sprite round. <_<
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#65 | ZFS | Posted 9/17/2013 4:16:44 PM | message detail
Doubting Snake breaks 55% on the rest of the field.
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#66 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:19:06 PM | message detail
I do too (as I said prior to Link/Snake, 54/46 is my inclination for Snake/Samus). It's not outside of the realm of possibility, though. 46.5% on Link, any Link, should give the rest of the field serious pause.

But you can ensure Snake doesn't win a contest simply by using a sprite round, something Link is not vulnerable to.
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#67 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:22:26 PM | message detail
quick, let's copy Preston's idea of a 64-character contest with a loser's bracket!
j/k
#68 | ZFS | Posted 9/17/2013 4:24:29 PM | message detail
I would still say Samus/Snake is a closer match than Link/Snake. I don't think Snake should be retired, though, even without a sprite round. He's definitely beatable - it wouldn't take much shift back toward Nintendo to seal that. I think a lot of winners open up without Link. Snake would probably be a bracket favorite, but you can make a good argument for others, too.
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#69 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:28:07 PM | message detail
The problem with Link is that he SFF most of the powerful characters
Cloud,Sephiroth,Snake and lolCrono are not getting sffd by him,but FFVII looked bad this contest and lolcrono
So it only leaves Snake to have a chance against Link next contest (assuming MGS V boost,LttP 2 being "ok" and no hyped console release)

It also makes me wonder how much would this year's Mewtwo get on Link,using the "Pokemon resist SFF" theory
Mewtwo with 40% sounds crazy?
#70 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:28:08 PM | message detail
Well Snake shouldn't be retired because there's literally no rationale to outside of x-stats. Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Samus, and Draven all have far more 'official' reasons to be retired before Snake.

I'm just saying even in a 'nightmare' scenario where no character can naturally break 45% on Snake, it's not quite the same as Link dominance, or even Clinkeroth dominance back in their heyday. He's probably to the rest of the field like Mario was back in 2005.
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#71 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:31:37 PM | message detail
Link 1v1 versus a powerful Pokemon is something I'm quite interested in seeing. On the one hand, Charizard/Zelda and Mewtwo/Midna suggest he might be their kryptonite. On the other hand... Bidoof got 21% on Link back when Link was a godstomper and Pokemon was still fairly weak compared to today (Pikachu got blown out by Leon Kennedy that year).
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#72 | ZFS | Posted 9/17/2013 4:32:06 PM | message detail
Pokemon doesn't do much resisting against Zelda!
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#73 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:58:05 PM | message detail | (edited)
Mudkip was also beating on Ganondorf for hours and hours the very same year. The data is... inconclusive.

And if Zelda does SFF Pokemon, then you better rally around Bidoof next year 'cause if he got the same jump all the other Pokes got he's gonna beat Samus next contest
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#74 | ZFS | Posted 9/17/2013 4:39:05 PM | message detail
Haha Bidoof beat Samus yeah




gamefaqs why
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#75 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:43:49 PM | message detail
Bidoof>Crono round 1
the curse lives on
#76 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/17/2013 4:51:39 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
A high quality contest that people care about will help our vote totals almost as much as anything else you can come up with. With no banner, no actual rallying to speak of (no, red sox, the r/LoL victory thread that didn't link to the poll doesn't count), in a 1v1 match that was decently close-ish but never in question, Link/Snake outdrew every single contest match that didn't have Draven in it.

High-quality bracketmaking with characters people really care about. We want to see Mario/Cloud II. Mega Man/Sephiroth II. Heavy hitting iconic matches like Tifa/Zelda and Pikachu/Vivi and MMX/Sonic. 1v1. 24 hours. Final Destination.
III.
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#77 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/17/2013 4:52:48 PM | message detail
Biddoof and Mudkip? Are you serious? They were funny when they first came out but now?
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#78 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:53:43 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
A high quality contest that people care about will help our vote totals almost as much as anything else you can come up with. With no banner, no actual rallying to speak of (no, red sox, the r/LoL victory thread that didn't link to the poll doesn't count), in a 1v1 match that was decently close-ish but never in question, Link/Snake outdrew every single contest match that didn't have Draven in it.

High-quality bracketmaking with characters people really care about. We want to see Mario/Cloud II. Mega Man/Sephiroth II. Heavy hitting iconic matches like Tifa/Zelda and Pikachu/Vivi and MMX/Sonic. 1v1. 24 hours. Final Destination.
III.


okay you got me but in all fairness can you blame me for trying to forget about 2k3
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#79 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 4:59:27 PM | message detail
Reminder: 4chan rallies kept Mudkip ahead of Ganondorf for seven straight hours.

In a match that got 140,000 votes.
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#80 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:00:36 PM | message detail
I hate to say it, but Bidoof and Mudkip were heavily rallied by 4chan. That's not their natural strength.
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#81 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 5:04:32 PM | message detail
I see no reason why they couldn't replicate that magic! Between 4chan rallies and Pokerallies, there are very few things that would be safe from something like Mudkip. Even if they didn't get rallied quite as hard in a future contest that decline would be nothing compared to how much our votals have tanked.
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#82 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/17/2013 5:06:07 PM | message detail
Slowpoke for Character Battle X to complete the 4chan Pokemon trinity DOESN'T THAT SOUND FUN
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#83 | hylianknight3 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:07:45 PM | message detail
Slowpoke is easily the best of the three, though.
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#84 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:08:11 PM | message detail
I'm pretty confident Samus breaks 45% on Snake. She's never been much below 40% on Link indirectly. In 2004, when Link was worth 65% on Mario indirectly through Crono, Samus was still worth 39.5% on Link. I'd peg Snake/Samus now as a 52/48 match or maybe a tad more.

Now, Mario? Snake can get 55%. But I suggested that in 2010! So this contest hasn't really changed my impressions of these characters. Which is probably because we got so little in the way of good reads on their strengths.
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#85 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 5:08:56 PM | message detail
Slowpoke Genwunner base Pokestrength plus joke votes plus Pokerallies plus 4chan

say hello to your new contest champion
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#86 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:10:46 PM | message detail
Link: your hero, defending you from Pokemon.

Remove Link from the bracket, and prepare to suffer the consequences.
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#87 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 5:12:30 PM | message detail
the consequences of Slowpoke beating Link directly
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#88 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:14:21 PM | message detail
Link wouldn't lose that match if you put Ganondorf, Zelda, Midna, Marin, Epona, Saria, Tingle, and Dark Link in the same poll. He'd break 90% on Ganondorf if he had to. He'd rally on Reddit if it he needed to.
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#89 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/17/2013 5:16:01 PM | message detail
Ah, but what if Groose was in the match too?

Surely he'd be the deciding factor!
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#90 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 5:17:23 PM | message detail
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#91 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:18:03 PM | message detail
You know what I would like? 8 Bonus battle, 24 hours, 1vs1, Link against each N9 member, 1 per day. That would be fine to see.
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#92 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:20:08 PM | message detail
I was going to say Link would rally on Pokemon websites, but the Pokemon fanbase is so dronish they could probably resist his call. Link will have to settle for sending the site through a time portal back to 1998 and advertising the poll at both OOT launch lines and Pokemon hate conventions.
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#93 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/17/2013 5:20:40 PM | message detail
At any rate, while there were doubts about Charizard before the contest, mainly because it made everyone he faced overrated in the stats... what the heck went down for Charizard to suck so badly???
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#94 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:21:40 PM | message detail
Nothing. He has the same power as Squirtle and Pikachu. Mewtwo was the strongest Pokemon this year because of bad ass factor.
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#95 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/17/2013 5:25:04 PM | message detail
Pokemon antivotes
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#96 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 5:25:29 PM | message detail
slowpoke gets this as his match picture

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35647500.jpg

Zelda fanbase cascades into infighting of unparalleled proportions and leaves Link to do his best Spring Breeze Dancin' impression
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#97 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/17/2013 5:31:00 PM | message detail | (edited)
Safer_777 posted...
Nothing. He has the same power as Squirtle and Pikachu. Mewtwo was the strongest Pokemon this year because of bad ass factor.


I'd expect Squirtle or Pikachu to NOT drop the ball in that position... I mean, seriously? Couldn't even beat Mega Man despite Zero in the poll? What a loser Charizard turned out to be.
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#98 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/17/2013 5:30:12 PM | message detail
That's okay. Link will rally the FFVII fanbase. The reason no one else has been able to rally them is that Link has been keeping them locked up in a country with no access to or communication with the outside world since 2004. He realized this was a necessary precaution after losing to Cloud in 2003. Link selectively unblocks the internet during FFVII matches for a percentage of the fanbase to maintain the appearance that they haven't all been kidnapped.
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#99 | DidYouMWISMe | Posted 9/17/2013 5:33:03 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
You know what I would like? 8 Bonus battle, 24 hours, 1vs1, Link against each N9 member, 1 per day. That would be fine to see.


I'm not sure that would tell us much. Link would win every match easily, as expected. Mario and Samus would predictably underperform in such a way that we'd still have no clue what their actual strength would be like against other members of the N9.

The better impartial gauge is actually Snake, since he's the one N9 member from his own series and it's so different than the other genres / companies / series the N9 are from. We know the percentage Snake would get against Link. Now, have everyone else go against Snake and we'd be able to have a fairly accurate ranking of the N9 based on the percentages everyone got on him.

I guess you could argue a slight disadvantage for Cloud and Sephiroth if you really wanted to imply that their similar Playstation backgrounds with Snake's main titles would hurt 'em, but Cloud and Sephy aren't really relevant anymore anyway. And after Twin Snakes / Brawl / the X360 releases of MGS titles I'm not really sure it's accurate to suggest Snake's fandom stems solely from Sony affectionados anymore. At any rate, the SFF possibility isn't anything near akin to Link / Samus / Mario.
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#100 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/17/2013 5:36:06 PM | message detail
Link v Noble Nine in ascending order might be worth seeing to see if his anti-votes build up from the frustration with the LAW and allow Snake to catch him on the final day.

Or red sox is right about Link fans taking their marching orders directly from Karl Rove and by the last match Link makes Snake look like Sonic.
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