Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1181

#1 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/15/2013 3:54:48 PM | message detail
Remember to submit a prediction for the Link/Snake bonus match in this topic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67248681


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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
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C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 9/15/2013 4:29:03 PM | message detail
*Gets back home*

*Checks poll*

*Goes to read old topics*

...So uh, let's see if I got it right. Smurf was actually Lightning-02, who rallied Vivi over Mario, and he tricked the LoL subreddit mods into setting up Draven to go into True Executioner mode all for the sake of turning Allen's contests into a farce?

...Huh. That's a thing, alright. A disgusting thing. Draven would have fought back incredibly fiercely against Snake during the Worlds championship, judging by these votals, and this would've been a match for the ages if he hadn't intervened. That kinda sucks, we got robbed of our potential best match ever. :-/
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#3 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/15/2013 5:09:34 PM | message detail
Do we really need to have "Stats and" anymore? The stats are even more meaningless than they've ever been. Contest Discussion is more than adequate.
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#4 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/15/2013 5:12:27 PM | message detail
I still can't believe that this is the ONLY final match where there isn't a single Zelda or FF character/game. In all other contests we had at least one of them and many times both of them. But now none of them. I like it. I hope all future contests are like that.
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#5 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/15/2013 5:52:27 PM | message detail
Once again, plugging the one topic I've made this contest which I like that isn't a troll attempt.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67252047
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#6 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/15/2013 5:56:48 PM | message detail
Busting out something unexpected hasn't been one-sided. We expected Draven to crush Link, Mewtwo, and Snake. And in all of them, he couldn't do it at first.

Battle Royale Day 4
Cloud Strife
35.71%
54057

Link
44.65%
67579

Solid Snake
19.64%
29733

TOTAL VOTES 151369

The Great GameFAQs Character Battle IX

Draven
49.54%
69874 Votes
Your Pick

Solid Snake
32.84%
46319 Votes

Samus Aran
17.63%
24863 Votes

Total Votes: 141056

Look at those 2 matches and tell me that Link has no chance of winning tomorrow. If we give split Samus's votes 80/20 right now, we get:

Draven
53.06%
74847

Solid Snake
46.94%
66209

And that's probably underestimating the percentage of Samus votes Snake would get. This is Draven Supreme, the character who is completely and utterly invincible? A character who is losing to Snake + Samus and would get 53% on Snake 1v1? Give Link a chance, win or lose.
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#7 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:00:41 PM | message detail
Draven
49.55%
70206 Votes
Your Pick

Solid Snake
32.8%
46483 Votes

Samus Aran
17.65%
25006 Votes
Total Votes: 141695
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#8 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/15/2013 6:03:34 PM | message detail | (edited)
Honestly, even assuming Link could have a shot here, which probably isn't true because Draven would probably pull out some new trick even if he stood a chance against this Draven?

I don't think many people here want to see Draven in a poll ever again.
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#9 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 6:01:41 PM | message detail
I admire the passion of the argument but I just can't remotely buy it. Post-Sticky Draven is worth much, much more than 50% on Samus+Snake. Equating Snake 2006 to Snake 2013 is pretty off, too. Anyone want to bet Snake can't break 47% on Samus 1v1 anymore? Any takers?
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#10 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 6:03:34 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Honestly, even if Link could have a shot here?

I don't think many people here want to see Draven in a poll ever again.


Also, this. This is not enjoyable to watch. Draven crossed the line from a sort of grey zone to a kind of completely unentertaining entity whose two key wins are tainted by unfairness.
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#11 | snoocete | Posted 9/15/2013 6:05:44 PM | message detail
[-] Travis-Touchdown [score hidden] 6 minutes ago

1st round, he wins with some rallying, but it's not by a ton, and no one even bats an eye.

2nd round, he roflstomps MMX and Ryu, people start calling the contest for Draven, But there's still plenty of doubt, I mean it's Link next round.

3rd round, we all know how this went, between the downtime, the crazy comebacks for Link, and the poll not getting extended, people were all kinds of mad.

Semi-Finals, the rally threads get deleted on Reddit, Mewtwo looks like he's cruising to an easy win, Board 8 is ecstatic, the contest is saved! But no, rally threads are allowed again and Draven erases his deficit in no time at all.

Final match, No one gives Snake a chance, but what's this! David Hayter, Kojima, wrestlers! Snake has a chance, he's cutting, GameFAQS can actually win! JUST KIDDING! Rally topic gets stickied right before the LoL world championships start, 20,000+ on the subreddit at the time, Draven enters god mode and ends this match in a matter of minutes.

Draven could have just won each match easily, with no drama but no, he gave hope every single time, and then crushed gamefaqs users dreams. It's crazy.

Doesn't that sum up Draven's backstory? He lets them go, think they have hope for escape, then suddenly BAM.

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#12 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:05:48 PM | message detail
I'm happy to see as many Draven matches as it takes for him to lose. Then retire him.

Well, actually, if he beats Link 1v1, just retire him. There is nothing left for him to prove on this site if he does that.
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#13 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:09:08 PM | message detail
Also, in your daily reminder of why this looks good for Crono, remember Crono once received 79999 votes in a poll with no rallies at all. Ultimate Draven? Shaped like an executioner to lose to 2k3 Crono.
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#14 | snoocete | Posted 9/15/2013 6:09:30 PM | message detail
Because finally the Noble Nine loses 1v1 in a 24-hour match.
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#15 | OnionOfMystery | Posted 9/15/2013 6:10:53 PM | message detail
snoocete posted...
[-] Travis-Touchdown [score hidden] 6 minutes ago

Doesn't that sum up Draven's backstory? He lets them go, think they have hope for escape, then suddenly BAM.


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#16 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/15/2013 6:16:49 PM | message detail | (edited)
1st round, he wins with some rallying, but it's not by a ton, and no one even bats an eye.

Nuh-uh. I called Draven beating Link a possibility during either that match or the one immediately after!

Greyfeld called Draven doing something at that point too IIRC, but whatever, he's a lamer. >_>

Was going to No-Pick x 3 for Draven's Round 2 match but decided it just wouldn't be right to potentially profit from a Draven win like that if the rest of board 8 wouldn't. Because screw Draven.
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#17 | RavenHusky14 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:17:57 PM | message detail
snoocete posted...
[-] Travis-Touchdown [score hidden] 6 minutes ago

1st round, he wins with some rallying, but it's not by a ton, and no one even bats an eye.

2nd round, he roflstomps MMX and Ryu, people start calling the contest for Draven, But there's still plenty of doubt, I mean it's Link next round.

3rd round, we all know how this went, between the downtime, the crazy comebacks for Link, and the poll not getting extended, people were all kinds of mad.

Semi-Finals, the rally threads get deleted on Reddit, Mewtwo looks like he's cruising to an easy win, Board 8 is ecstatic, the contest is saved! But no, rally threads are allowed again and Draven erases his deficit in no time at all.

Final match, No one gives Snake a chance, but what's this! David Hayter, Kojima, wrestlers! Snake has a chance, he's cutting, GameFAQS can actually win! JUST KIDDING! Rally topic gets stickied right before the LoL world championships start, 20,000+ on the subreddit at the time, Draven enters god mode and ends this match in a matter of minutes.

Draven could have just won each match easily, with no drama but no, he gave hope every single time, and then crushed gamefaqs users dreams. It's crazy.

Doesn't that sum up Draven's backstory? He lets them go, think they have hope for escape, then suddenly BAM.


That is pretty much the extent of Draven's Lore. He gives each prisoner one last chance at life, only to chuck an axe and kill them as they are running.

Even then, you don't want to mess with him, or his brother Darius, because Darius will dunk you just as fast.
#18 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:20:35 PM | message detail
Actually, Crono did even better than that! 88469 in the first round of 2003.
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#19 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/15/2013 6:23:15 PM | message detail
The Draven rally topic finally dropped out of the number 1 spot for the first time since it reached that spot. It was in the number 1 spot for about 7 1/2 hours, which is very impressive.
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#20 | Janus5000 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:25:17 PM | message detail
All this talk about Draven extinguishing hope makes me wish reddit had done this for Kefka (since, y'know, that was his goal).

Especially if the r/lol subreddit was still the one to do it because that would fit perfectly into Kefka making no goddamn sense
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#21 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:28:21 PM | message detail
Janus5000 posted...
All this talk about Draven extinguishing hope makes me wish reddit had done this for Kefka (since, y'know, that was his goal).

Especially if the r/lol subreddit was still the one to do it because that would fit perfectly into Kefka making no goddamn sense


they rally Kefka
he loses anyway to.....Terra
YEAHHHH
#22 | kurtfisto | Posted 9/15/2013 6:30:47 PM | message detail
I've gotta admit despite how everything has played out it is pretty amusing how fitting Draven's personality/lore applies to everything he's done this contest. Pretty much set up to be the ultimate villain.
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#23 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 9/15/2013 6:47:26 PM | message detail
Let's play "make your own Reddit insult".

Step 1: Go to http://www.wordgenerator.net/adjective-generator.php
Step 2: Type Butt in the "before" box
Step 3: Generate

Congratulations, you are now butt______.
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#24 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:47:35 PM | message detail
Bonus Match IV: (1) Link vs. (1) Solid Snake

Previous Matches

Draven – 44.65%
Link – 44.02%
Commander Shepard – 11.34%

Draven – 49.40%
Solid Snake – 32.80%
Samus Aran – 17.80%

Analysis

I guess in a sense this would have been the true final had Draven never been rallied to the extent he was. Both of these characters looked impressive in their matches leading up to their defeat by Draven. It is a small solace to see what would have happened.

In a normal match I still fell Link is the strongest character in the bracket. He may be weaker, but I do not see him losing to Snake. I also wonder what would happen to Snake if he goes up against a strong Nintendo opponent. Will they SFF him due to his appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl or will Snake be able to hold his own.

Snake however has a bit of momentum going with him. Link has been eliminated almost two weeks ago while Snake just had a large rally before Draven swatted it away. If some of those people are retained we could see him get a boost.

Then there are rallies to consider. I do not think there will be any major rallies unless Reddit decides to intervene. Most of the board prefers not to have any rallies and this is probably our best chance to see something like that happen. Overall Link should win, but I feel Snake will take the upset.

charmander6000’s Fake Bracket: Solid Snake > Link

charmander6000’s Prediction: Solid Snake – 52.22%, Link – 47.78%
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#25 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:48:21 PM | message detail
buttgrouchy
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#26 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/15/2013 6:48:35 PM | message detail
Wow.

No one's percentage changed that last update, after only Samus's moved the one before and Snake's didn't move the one before that as well.
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#27 | FMercury12 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:48:41 PM | message detail
This match would of been closer if it wasn't for the World Championship for League. People complaining about the Draven rallies without knowing the full details of whats going on grind my gears. Honestly if it wasn't for Worlds, this match would of been a lot closer.
#28 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/15/2013 6:50:29 PM | message detail | (edited)
-hotdogturtle-- posted...
Let's play "make your own Reddit insult".

Step 1: Go to http://www.wordgenerator.net/adjective-generator.php
Step 2: Type Butt in the "before" box
Step 3: Generate

Congratulations, you are now butt______.
butt humdrum

...Sounds like an accurate statement on the poll and board 8 in general right now.
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#29 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/15/2013 6:50:58 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
I still can't believe that this is the ONLY final match where there isn't a single Zelda or FF character/game. In all other contests we had at least one of them and many times both of them. But now none of them. I like it. I hope all future contests are like that.


2005? 2006? Okay, so there were still post-bracket...things, but the tournament itself ended before Clinkeroth ever took the field!
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#30 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/15/2013 6:53:45 PM | message detail
Anagram posted...
Just submitted this.
http://i.imgur.com/fkpnVEU.png


omg yes
this and http://i.imgur.com/LqnBrla.png please!
#31 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 6:56:39 PM | message detail
I suppose it's too much to expect Snake to make a match of this and create a new, awesome rivalry for #1 1v1 contest character against Link.

But I can always really, really hope
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#32 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/15/2013 7:00:39 PM | message detail
Draven
49.51%
71752 Votes
Your Pick

Solid Snake
32.75%
47462 Votes

Samus Aran
17.74%
25713 Votes
Total Votes: 144927
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#33 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/15/2013 7:00:58 PM | message detail
FMercury12 posted...
This match would of been closer if it wasn't for the World Championship for League. People complaining about the Draven rallies without knowing the full details of whats going on grind my gears. Honestly if it wasn't for Worlds, this match would of been a lot closer.


We don't really know what the true effect of Worlds is because Draven put the match away with the sticky just before Worlds started. Currently it looks like it would have been bad for Draven since the Worlds topics were pushing down the rally topics and people were too busy watching Worlds matches to bother with rallying or voting. However, we have no idea what people would be able to do if they tried to rally the Worlds streams which is a big unknown.
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#34 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/15/2013 7:02:01 PM | message detail
You know, we've got enough bonus match material to where I can do adjusted stats without having to resort to using 2010 values and stuff. Link vs. Snake, Mario vs. Crono vs. MMX, and Chester vs. SBD vs. Caim will be enough to make the X-Stats look slightly less ridiculous.

So I might actually do a set of "adjusted" stats, but it'll only use those three matches.

Not sure what I'll do with Draven in the Adjusted Stats though. Either I just stick him at the top slightly above Link (or Snake...!) or I guess I could try to adjust him based off of the early results from MMX/Ryu/Draven.
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#35 | ZFS | Posted 9/15/2013 7:03:08 PM | message detail
I have this uneasy feeling there will be rallying next match and not in a good way
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#36 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 9/15/2013 7:03:23 PM | message detail
20% vs Chie+Jak
the only legit Draven value
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#37 | hylianknight3 | Posted 9/15/2013 7:03:28 PM | message detail
Somebody on the League subreddit accused Allen of being "super salty" about Draven winning. >_>
#38 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/15/2013 7:03:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, rallying could ruin the next match, too, so whatever.

I don't care too much at this point. It's more of a sense of wanting to finish what I started since I put so much work into it.
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#39 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 7:05:03 PM | message detail
I'd just list two Draven values - a Max Draven and a Min Draven. They can be listed as separate entities for the purposes of stats.

The stats aren't entirely unsalvageable, contrary to popular trollbelief. I'll be working up my own set of private stats, personally. Not that they'll be of great use but they certainly should be able to help as at least a very rough guide.
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#40 | Doctor_Vodka | Posted 9/15/2013 7:05:27 PM | message detail
At least Snake came closer than Link ever did.., and forced Draven to go Ultimate Draven
#41 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/15/2013 7:05:59 PM | message detail
#42 | ZFS | Posted 9/15/2013 7:06:32 PM | message detail
Private because Snake is above Link in such stats!
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#43 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/15/2013 7:16:25 PM | message detail | (edited)
And it's not that I don't think the stats are salvageable. I could put more work into it than that.

I just don't want to and I don't think anyone will care if I don't.
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#44 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 7:06:57 PM | message detail
If there's any rallying next match it will almost certainly be the same minor kind you find in every contested match. r/LoL has made it abundantly clear that they don't give a damn about any poll at all that doesn't involve Draven.
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#45 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 7:10:00 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Private stats? I'm not sure I like the sound of that!


I always make private adjustments! I like cribbing off the public adjusted stats to help formulate them (partially because I don't trust my impartiality in certain situations), but it's an interesting exercise all the same.
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#46 | ZFS | Posted 9/15/2013 7:11:46 PM | message detail
I wasn't thinking Reddit, really, just more Twitter attempts!
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#47 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/15/2013 7:13:35 PM | message detail
hylianknight3 posted...
Somebody on the League subreddit accused Allen of being "super salty" about Draven winning. >_>


We're all 'super-salty' according to those nitwits. Don't pay them any attention.
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#48 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/15/2013 7:14:09 PM | message detail
Speaking as Snake's most fervent backer last match, I'm not going to make any push at all against Link. This is just a clean 1v1 match where people are just rooting for our favorites and seeing who's the more popular character. There's no incentive to try and get David Hayter or something to hop on a bandwagon.
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#49 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/15/2013 7:15:07 PM | message detail
Let's go, Link, tonight.
#50 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/15/2013 7:15:41 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
hylianknight3 posted...
Somebody on the League subreddit accused Allen of being "super salty" about Draven winning. >_>


We're all 'super-salty' according to those nitwits. Don't pay them any attention.


Morton should just install a mine here. They'd make millions.
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