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pjbasis posted... Man how did Mewtwo become the strongest pokemon mewtwo has always been the strongest pokemon |
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Will he? I imagine Draven will run away with it in 2 minutes, and people will just vote as they want the rest of the way with no point in bandwagoning. |
Mewtwo
almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've
ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in
that match. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Updated Top 5/10 Top 5 Least Popular 24h Polls 1. Solid Snake vs. GlaDOS vs. Kefka Round 3 46510 2. Pikachu vs. Sora vs. Pokemon Trainer Blue Round 3 47406 3. Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Vivi vs. Squall Leonhart Round 3 48291 4. Solid Snake vs. Pikachu vs. Squirtle Round 4 50472 5. Samus Aran vs. Mega Man vs. Pokemon Trainer Red Round 4 52222 Top 5 Least Impressive 24h Winners 1. Pokemon Trainer Red Round 3 18882 2. Pikachu Round 3 19094 3. Samus Aran Round 4 20097 4. Sephiroth Round 3 20144 5. Mega Man Round 3 21698 Top 10 Least Predictable Matches 1. Draven vs. Mewtwo vs. Sephiroth Round 4 0.93% 2. Draven vs. Link vs. Commander Shepard Round 3 1.19% 3. Squirtle vs. Cloud Strife vs. Leon Kennedy Round 3 2.33% 4. Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Vivi vs. Squall Leonhart Round 3 3.95% 5. Vivi vs. Mario vs. Ganondorf Round 2 4.61% 6. Samus Aran vs. Mega Man vs. Pokemon Trainer Red Round 4 6.33% 7. Mewtwo vs. Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Bowser Round 3 8.33% 8. Draven vs. Mega Man X vs. Ryu Round 2 9.20% 9. Pokemon Trainer Blue vs. Nathan Drake vs. Mr. Game & Watch Round 2 14.27% 10. Yuna vs. Master Chief vs. Claire Redfield Round 1 15.40% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 179/324 Today's Pick: Link |
Greyfeld posted... What are the chances that Draven's power European vote saps Snake's night vote enough to let Samus slip into second place? That wouldn't sap Snake, it would boost him. Which is exactly why Snake/Samus can't be taken seriously. If Snake is better in Europe than Samus, Snake should honestly crush here due to Draven polluting the results. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I'd
agree with that, that this match is a better indication of Samus/Snake
that next round. I do think Snake will win decisively tomorrow, though. I
feel like people here by and large view Snake as #2 on the site, so
they'll naturally rally behind him to take out Draven. Plus, whatever
anti-Nintendo thing people feel wouldn't extend to Snake like it might
Samus. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
anondum posted... pjbasis posted...Man how did Mewtwo become the strongest pokemon Yep, the only people in these contests to be in Uber-tier! But really this is like his revenge from losing in Round 1 last character battle. --- Behold my fabulous favorite bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb9_code?c=5ySLaK0s9EOJ9sw9ZHt4Dgte4qX00EBFln |
Karma Hunter posted... Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. The only thing stopping Pokemon is ZELDA. Ganon put some hurt on Mewtwo, too. It's nice to know they have that weakness! --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Mewtwo
is probably doing this well because of the bandwagon effect from
defeating Vincent, Sonic, and being massively rallied to take down
Draven. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
Are you guys being serious? You're surprised Mewtwo is thrashing Pikachu? Who the hell votes Pikachu over Mewtwo? |
creativename posted... TsunamiXXVIII posted...I expect you to be weakening enough that your legendary ability to get rSFFed by MMX results in an outright loss to Zero, and you go out and beat what should've been a boosted Charizard. That was on the old GameFAQs. Especially with the match being immediately before a Draven match, there was a chance of seeing our reddit overlords near the end of the match. Also, MMX/Zero looked strong this contest; Mega Man, not so much. Mainly, it's the fact that based on round 1 results, setting Mega Man equal to Mega Man X would produce something like Magikarp getting 57.66% in a 1v1 against Jigglypuff, when I'd expect Jigglypuff to get considerably more than that on Magikarp. This suggests that the void between the two series has widened, and fairly well confirms that X is still the stronger one. Add in Zero easily winning what was thought to be a debatable match in Round 2, and it adds up to an attractive upset pick. I didn't think it was "likely", but it was a good opportunity to make up ground in the Expert if it paid off. I'm surprised that Zero > Mega Man was the upset you harped on, though. I think that my statement that I'd take a Charizard > Samus upset in a 1v1 is far more insane! --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. Congratulations to Guru champion, the mighty raytan. |
Yeah,
really not feeling the bandwagon dropoff here. Mega Man will drop off a
handful of percent when Europe wakes up but that should be it. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Karma Hunter posted... Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. Yeah, Mewtwo's lack of real strength in these contests really surprised me, and I'm sure most others as well. He's where he should have been to start with. His design makes him easily the most appealing to the GameFAQs voter base, as they traditionally prefer badass to cute. I think the Mewtwo>Vincent pickers got lucky two ways - one the pic, which must have dropped Vincent at least 10 points as that was the worst pic factor ever. And two I highly doubt those people expected Mewtwo to get a galactic sized boost in strength. Kind of like how the (edit) Mario>Samus pickers got lucky, as their logic was not based on Mario boosting like he did. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Add in Zero easily winning what was thought to be a debatable match in Round 2, and it adds up to an attractive upset pick. I didn't think it was "likely", but it was a good opportunity to make up ground in the Expert if it paid off. Dude. Just no. I'm surprised that Zero > Mega Man was the upset you harped on, though. I think that my statement that I'd take a Charizard > Samus upset in a 1v1 is far more insane! Considering Mario was supposed to be there, Charizard>Mario/Samus was discussed. There was nothing insane about that as Zard scored 47% on Mario directly. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename posted... He's where he should have been to start with. His design makes him easily the most appealing to the GameFAQs voter base, as they traditionally prefer badass to cute. Sephiroth so kawaii --- Hentai? I didn't ask for hentai. I asked for anime, you moron. *clicks and downloads* - Hayato118 |
15 GoogleChrom 1018 25 WhiteLens 966 Hell yeah! And all it took to get this account on there was to get the entire semi-finals perfectly correct! Oh god Snake or Samus....who to pick for 2nd? --- Behold my early copy of The Wonderful 101, autographed by Hideki Kamiya: http://i.imgur.com/ZBfWtcU.jpg?1 |
ZFS posted... Karma Hunter posted...Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. Except prior to this year, there was no Mewtwo performance that indicated he was strong. And even if he was somehow weak to Zelda (highly dubious), that certainly shouldn't matter against freakin' Midna! I mean if Midna is rSFFIng you, you are plain terrible. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
ZFS posted... Karma Hunter posted...Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. And Zelda nearly beat Charizard despite another old-school Nintendo character in the poll! Although Charizard somehow managed to lose to Mega Man with Zero in the poll, so maybe Charizard is just weaker than last time even though he has every reason to be stronger (Mega Charizard announcement--although that hadn't happened yet when he faced Zelda; return to Ash's main team in the anime...wait a minute... OH MAN, CALLING IT NOW, ASH'S MEGA CHARIZARD IS A THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT SEASON!) --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. Congratulations to Guru champion, the mighty raytan. |
On the question of who would benefit more from Europe spillover from Draven, as just a single data point, Snake did a lot better against Cloud in Europe than Samus did just from a cursory examination. Not sure if it's particularly salient, but there ya go. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
WhiteLens posted... 15 GoogleChrom 1018 Snake, it is believed he's better in Europe than Samus and the massive Europe influx will distort things terribly. Also people believe he is more likely to be bandwagoned behind than Samus, but I think this is a much lesser factor than the Europe horde distorting things. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
But see, is the LoL subreddit
European crowd as favorable to MGS over Metroid? That's a very open
question of which we have no data. Results could get wildly skewed
either way. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
creativename posted... TsunamiXXVIII posted...Add in Zero easily winning what was thought to be a debatable match in Round 2, and it adds up to an attractive upset pick. I didn't think it was "likely", but it was a good opportunity to make up ground in the Expert if it paid off. Well, yeah, I had Charizard in my bracket because of Mario-Samus split, but that's not what I'm saying. (Although before the contest started, I wouldn't have taken that 1v1 upset for my bracket--only in my, well, I guess for 1v1s it'd be Battle Challenge, because of what I'd seen from Mewtwo leading me to expect that the announcement of Mega Charizard would provide a fresh boost.) --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. Congratulations to Guru champion, the mighty raytan. |
Karma Hunter posted... But see, is the LoL subreddit European crowd as favorable to MGS over Metroid? That's a very open question of which we have no data. Results could get wildly skewed either way. Well either way the results will be a complete mess. Thanks, downtime. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Karma Hunter posted... But see, is the LoL subreddit European crowd as favorable to MGS over Metroid? That's a very open question of which we have no data. Results could get wildly skewed either way. Metroid is non-Mario/Pokemon/Zelda Nintendo I give a 1% chance of them favoring Metroid, especially because I think MGS is fairly popular there (it is Sonyland over there, after all) |
I
don't expect the backfire percentage to be particularly high,
regardless. Even with Link I got the impression his wasn't that
impressive, instead made up for partially with outside rallying of his
own all across the internet. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
creativename posted... Kind of like how the Samus>Mario pickers got lucky, as their logic was not based on Mario boosting like he did.You mean Mario > Samus pickers, right? I think Mario's position in the x-stats in 2003 and 2004 might have been a bit flukey and that he might not have ever been notably weaker than Samus. If the fallout for Mario/Crono II was as bad as you guys have made it sound, it makes perfect sense that Mario would gotten anti-voted hard against Sephiroth shortly afterwards. Also seems like it should have made it hard to vote or root for Mario against Crono in 2004 if you were aware of the history. Crono doing worse on Link in 2004 than Mario had in 2002 despite probable SFF in the latter is also strange and suggests a widening of the Link/Mario gap that to me sounds implausible. Wasn't here at the time though, so I dunno! --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Karma Hunter posted... I don't expect the backfire percentage to be particularly high, regardless. Even with Link I got the impression his wasn't that impressive, instead made up for partially with outside rallying of his own all across the internet. LoL fans are the most dronish fans confirmed ....oh wait we knew that already |
Okay so Mewtwo has a katana in that DESERT MIX pic... source of the boost discovered! --- ... as if rights are like muscles - the more you use it, the better it gets. Indeed he may be exercising his first amendment-- but he's an IDIOT! - A. Scalia |
creativename posted... Karma Hunter posted...Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. But if GameFAQs prefers badass to cute... How the hell can we explain most of the badasses underperforming? Vincent got pic screwed royally, yes, but I'm at a loss for most of the others... --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
IngmarBirdman posted... Okay so Mewtwo has a katana in that DESERT MIX pic... source of the boost discovered! I think that's actually a spoon...? --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Which do you think is more likely? 1)Mega Man is SFFing Mewtwo/Pikachu. or 2)Samus did to Mega Man what Samus did to Snake in 2006 (that is, an SFF beating). I have a hard time believing Samus would dominate Snake as badly (or worse, as today seems to indicate) as she did the Blue Bomber. Well, maybe she COULD do it.... I personally think Samus' score on L-Block and Tifa was very impressive. Except prior to this year, there was no Mewtwo performance that indicated he was strong Yeah, it's pretty crazy. The super low vote totals bolstered Pokemon and killed FF7, Tifa and Charizard aside. Mewtwo boosted the most, followed by Red, then Pikachu, and then, uh, Charizard. I love how Mewtwo is solidly in Noble Nine territory now. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those! It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
SFFing
Pokemon just seems... wrong these days, but it has been done in the
past. If the Samus rSFF theory is true, she should be able to do it
tomorrow again anyway. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Since
I dropped right off the expert leaderboard in the last 2 matches (had
squirtle>pika and also MM>samus) I have gone all in
Snake>Draven>Samus. Won't happen anyway, but it's the only way I could get on the leaderboard, so may as well give it a shot. |
From: creativename | Posted: 9/14/2013 12:34:50 AM | #200 pjbasis posted...Man how did Mewtwo become the strongest pokemon based on oracle results it was near-unanimous underestimation. of course, that was before Pikachu's match, so at the time Pokemon only had some really awful performances and an okay performance in the series contest. also it was a pretty weird match (the Ryu/Bowser/Toad one). --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
w0wzers
these votals are horrid. Like, catastrophically so. I guess that has a
bit to do with the little reminder not being there for this match. Guess
that's one grain of salt that has to be taken with this result. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Fayt_Esteed posted... creativename posted...I don't think Badass Decay is actually a thing.Karma Hunter posted...Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. Dante looks fine in retrospect with how Squirtle did and Vivi beasting makes his performance on Zidane look much better. The Kingdom Hearts crew seems to have reverted to pre-KHII strength or worse, so Auron losing most of his KHII boost would make sense, and for that matter Squall didn't escape this contest without at least a small question mark about his strength. We need no special theory to explain Master Chief or FFVII tanking, that's expected by now. The gaming zeitgeist has sort of moved on from Kratos and his awful board vote probably indicates he was never liked by a lot of the core user base so him falling hard makes sense. Charizard 2010 clearly looks like a huge bandwagon; and personally I don't buy him being weaker than Squirtle and think Squirtle was lucky to be against an opponent that was easy to rally anti-votes against rather than one that was hard to do so. Seems to me most of the characters supposedly suffering from it can be explained by other theories or factors that are already widely regarded as true. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
So, assuming that Pokemon are transitive*, looks like Samus has the advantage over Snake going into the finals. *LMAO --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Oh,
to clear something up (since I'm being told I'm giving off the
impression of concern trolling), I still think Snake should be
considered a solid favorite even putting fanboyism aside for a very brief
moment. This result is a nice feather in the Samus cap if you take it
at face value but Snake has generally looked better with his results to
me, was stronger last time, has the intangibles and MGSV hype just to
top it off. Samus could win but Snake > Samus seems very solid to me. also we need to rally around Snake to make sure he beats Draven right guys believe --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
AxemRedRanger posted... creativename posted...Kind of like how the Samus>Mario pickers got lucky, as their logic was not based on Mario boosting like he did.You mean Mario > Samus pickers, right? Oh yes, duh, typo there :) I think Mario's position in the x-stats in 2003 and 2004 might have been a bit flukey and that he might not have ever been notably weaker than Samus. Mario looked shaky as hell in 2K2, 2K3 and 2K4 - except for the Cloud performance which was a massive fluke due to Sunshine release and Planet Gamecube. Mario went beast-mode in 2K5. He swung over 7 points on Crono. No doubt he boosted through the roof in 2K5, he looked like a monster every match that year, when he'd never looked good before at all outside the Cloud match. If the fallout for Mario/Crono II was as bad as you guys have made it sound, it makes perfect sense that Mario would gotten anti-voted hard against Sephiroth shortly afterwards. Mario/Sephiroth was perfectly in line with x-stats - there was no revenge voting whatsoever. I remember that *very* well because my x-stat calculations had Seph winning with over 60%. Nobody used x-stats then though so most people had Seph in the low 50's, and some had Mario winning - it was actually a debated match. Then Seph just blew his doors off, which is what i expected but everyone else was shocked. Because everyone else went so low I predicted Seph with 56%, which I thought was *really* low, and I was still the highest Sephiroth pick! --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename posted... WhiteLens posted...15 GoogleChrom 1018 Shhhhh. I need 11 people to get the finals match wrong so I can hit the top 10, don't ruin this for me >.> --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 9/14/2013 1:36:36 AM | #237 So, assuming that Pokemon are transitive*, looks like Samus has the advantage over Snake going into the finals. you mean Samus has the advantage over Draven and Snake is getting killed --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Also,
it's interesting to me that Mewtwo seems to clearly be the strongest
Pokemon this year. I wouldn't have expected there to be a significant
difference between any of them, and Pikachu/Squirtle held true to that,
but this is a pretty dominant showing. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Fayt_Esteed posted... But if GameFAQs prefers badass to cute... How the hell can we explain most of the badasses underperforming? Vincent got pic screwed royally, yes, but I'm at a loss for most of the others... There's no badass underperforming theme, people have just latched onto that because of them taking Smurf's ridiculous theory and actually turning it into a "thing". I have no idea how the hell that happened! This contest has just been wonky overall. Haste_2 posted... Which do you think is more likely? Neither! Today is just Mewtwo SFFing Pikachu and thus Mewtwo+Pikachu likely being a weaker combo than Pikachu+Squirtle, despite Mewtwo being much stronger than Squirtle. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
AxemRedRanger posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...creativename posted...I don't think Badass Decay is actually a thing.Karma Hunter posted...Mewtwo almost losing to Midna is still one of the most shocking results I've ever seen. Even if you want to call rSFF on that, he did pitifully in that match. Master Chief is obvious, yes. But Kratos is the real big question mark - I wouldn't have expected Kratos to fall so hard that he couldn't even double Recette Lemongrass, of all people... --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Kratos is an awful character and has no reason to be popular outside of God of War hype. I'm serious, too. 'Kratos is an awful character' is the reason why he has no staying power. Absolutely no one likes Kratos, they just like God of War. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: creativename | Posted: 9/14/2013 1:43:31 AM | #243 Today is just Mewtwo SFFing Pikachu and thus Mewtwo+Pikachu likely being a weaker combo than Pikachu+Squirtle, despite Mewtwo being much stronger than Squirtle. no, all it is is Pikachu/Squirtle was a competitive match so more people who actually preferred Snake voted for a Pokemon instead. here there's no incentive not to just vote for your favorite because nothing is close. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Xuxon posted... based on oracle results it was near-unanimous underestimation. of course, that was before Pikachu's match, so at the time Pokemon only had some really awful performances and an okay performance in the series contest. also it was a pretty weird match (the Ryu/Bowser/Toad one). Hmm, yeah from the Oracle it looks like Mewtwo was underestimated by 4 points. I suppose I should say people expected him to be stronger relative to other Pokemon than he actually was. Since as you say Pokemon had never done crap in the contest before, I guess the absolute expectations for Mewtwo weren't very high. KamikazePotato posted... So, assuming that Pokemon are transitive*, looks like Samus has the advantage over Snake going into the finals. Even if Pokemon were perfectly linear, the SFF factor here would negate this match actually having any implications for Snake. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename posted... Xuxon posted...based on oracle results it was near-unanimous underestimation. of course, that was before Pikachu's match, so at the time Pokemon only had some really awful performances and an okay performance in the series contest. also it was a pretty weird match (the Ryu/Bowser/Toad one). Yeah. Considering that the only notable performance Pokιmon had before 2007 was the series contest, where it smashed a cult 2-game series before getting close to Metroid... Either way, I'm surprised that Mewtwo never really showed much in the way of strength until this year. --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Actually here's the Seph/Mario match: http://www.oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k3&type=match&match=59 15 of 39 people had Mario winning, and the average was only Sephiroth with 50.96%!! It's just absolutely amazing what a lack of x-stat awareness actually does to people. Might as well throw darts at a dartboard if you weren't using x-stats, before the RallyFAQs era! Ah, pre-RallyFAQs, those were the days. Xuxon posted... no, all it is is Pikachu/Squirtle was a competitive match so more people who actually preferred Snake voted for a Pokemon instead. here there's no incentive not to just vote for your favorite because nothing is close. Well I totally disagree. | mean the entire reason the match isn't competitive is because Mewtwo is SFFing Pikachu to death, which is what I'm saying anyway. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
KamikazePotato posted... Kratos is an awful character and has no reason to be popular outside of God of War hype. I'd say something similar - Kratos is the type of character that *needs* constant hype because he isn't actually a very likable character, he's a guy who relies on game hype and badass design to get casual support. Once his games fall off the radar, a character like that will plummet. Gamers have no real attachment to him. Similar to the Big Daddy thing, slightly different in that Big Daddy wasn't the main character like Kratos, but he's similar in that he's a "in the moment" character as people have noted. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
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