Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1173

#151 | xp1337 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:13:42 PM | message detail
aughhhhhhhhhhh

After ~the curse~ and my amazing -198 R3 performance I go perfect in the semis and drag myself back to 750 after being dangerously close to losing to DM and just going flat-out negative.

And Bacon is at 762.

not like this

not like this
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#152 | spooky96 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:14:45 PM | message detail
If MM keeps this up I'd take Samus>Snake. I don't consider bonus matches to be entirely irrelevant.
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#153 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2013 9:15:25 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Who's better in Europe, Snake or Samus?


Snake is better. When Draven faced Link, he did best at night when Link was at his weakest. But with Snake also having a good night vote, he should do better at night compared to Link. Snake's day vote doesn't come close to Link's day vote, so if Draven has a huge lead entering the morning vote, it's probably all over.
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#154 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/13/2013 9:15:39 PM | message detail
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5265-03.jpg

LOL what is with Mega Man in this? He looks like a 50 year old Apache chief or something.
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#155 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:16:00 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Mega Man is obviously going to tank overnight, but for some ten minute stats...!

Assuming Pikachu+Squirtle = Mewtwo+Pikachu, Snake gets 50.32% on Mega Man and 46.11% on Samus.

Well the difference is that while Mewtwo is obviously much stronger than Squirlte, that does not necessarily mean Mewtwo+Pikachu > Squirtle+Pikachu.

I went over this yesterday when I was talking about Cloud and Squall if they were in the same match together. Cloud would SFF Squall horribly.

Same thing here. Mewtwo is obviously SFFing Pikachu, and that reduction in Pikachu's strength makes things vague. There was no SFF in Squirtle+Pikachu, only LFF.

The combination of LFF and SFF here makes it hard to compare Mega Man's and Snake's performances. We don't know if Mewtwo+Pika is really stronger than Pika+Squirtle.
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#156 | hylianknight3 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:16:12 PM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
Yay Devin doin' real good in Expert.


LOL!
#157 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:16:22 PM | message detail
MM's doing exceptionally well at the moment, to the point where if he maintains you've basically got to postulate some SFF (on Pokemon) to favor Snake if you consider this match relevant.

...or Samus rSFF but that's basically the same thing.
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#158 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/13/2013 9:16:23 PM | message detail
...WTF.

I was totally right about Mewtwo beating Pikachu easily, but Mega Man's got over 50% of the vote. Damnit Mega Man just once I'd like one of your matches to make sense. I expect you to be weakening enough that your legendary ability to get rSFFed by MMX results in an outright loss to Zero, and you go out and beat what should've been a boosted Charizard. I take that as a legit result, and you choke to a character I wouldn't take 1v1 against the one you just beat. I recalibrate the previous match as being the result of you benefiting from your opponent being anti-voted, and you start looking like a beast again.
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#159 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/13/2013 9:16:58 PM | message detail
Yes, yes, good, please take Samus > Snake in the finals, people!

I don't care if I get that match wrong but if I get it right and NOT A SINGLE PERSON ABOVE ME GETS IT WRONG AND I'M STUCK IN 51ST ARGGGG
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#160 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/13/2013 9:17:10 PM | message detail
Even if Samus ends up looking better than Snake, the presence of Draven really changes things since a good 50%+ of our votes are going to come from the LoL rally. Most of them will vote for Draven but 2nd place will probably be determined by who the spillover non Draven rally votes go to and LoL fans seem like they may be more Snake people than Samus people. I don't know.
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#161 | tennisboy213 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:18:02 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Mega Man is obviously going to tank overnight, but for some ten minute stats...!

Assuming Pikachu+Squirtle = Mewtwo+Pikachu, Snake gets 50.32% on Mega Man and 46.11% on Samus.


And Mewtwo looks better than Squirtle. Hard to be sure in a pure SFF situation like this though.
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#162 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:18:26 PM | message detail
Oh the Draven rally will make Snake/Samus useless no matter what. I'm just playing with numbers!
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#163 | Doctor_Vodka | Posted 9/13/2013 9:18:39 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
...WTF.

I was totally right about Mewtwo beating Pikachu easily, but Mega Man's got over 50% of the vote. Damnit Mega Man just once I'd like one of your matches to make sense. I expect you to be weakening enough that your legendary ability to get rSFFed by MMX results in an outright loss to Zero, and you go out and beat what should've been a boosted Charizard. I take that as a legit result, and you choke to a character I wouldn't take 1v1 against the one you just beat. I recalibrate the previous match as being the result of you benefiting from your opponent being anti-voted, and you start looking like a beast again.


This match makes perfect sense - you just suck at understanding these contests
#164 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/13/2013 9:18:59 PM | message detail
There was also a bit of pokemon rallying going on during that Snake match.
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#165 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:19:26 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
creativename posted...
Who's better in Europe, Snake or Samus?


Snake is better. When Draven faced Link, he did best at night when Link was at his weakest. But with Snake also having a good night vote, he should do better at night compared to Link. Snake's day vote doesn't come close to Link's day vote, so if Draven has a huge lead entering the morning vote, it's probably all over.

I didn't mean in the sense of Draven vs. Snake.

I meant that Draven drawing tons of votes of Europe we normally don't see will pollute the results.

If Snake is better relatively at Europe than Samus, he will probably win be a much larger margin than is normal.
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#166 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 9:19:51 PM | message detail
Snake/Samus is the real final. Draven is a nonfactor.
#167 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/13/2013 9:19:56 PM | message detail
I'm still not sure how the hell all the Pokemon line up indirectly but I'm not surprised to see that Mewtwo looks to be easily the strongest head-to-head.
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#168 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/13/2013 9:20:04 PM | message detail
Mewtwo looking dominant here. I think there's a ceiling on just how many people will actually vote for a pokémon - so I don't see him busting up N9'ers 1v1 - but whatever happened made so Mewtwo is king in that hierarchy.

Also, MM at ~51%, drops a full 6% by the end of the match. Over / under?
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#169 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:20:54 PM | message detail
It's eminently possible considering how frontloaded Mega Man can be that we'll get Snake > Samus from the stats I posted, anyway, so, eh. It's not like we have to wait real long to see the actual result, as much as it'll mean.
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#170 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 9:21:15 PM | message detail
Mewtwo having a full, nostalgic movie to his name probably helps him a lot to be the strongest.
#171 | im317 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:21:39 PM | message detail
is Devin trying to lose score in expert? i just don't understand how he can do so well in the normal bracket and so poorly in the expert.
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#172 | spooky96 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:21:43 PM | message detail
I really think Gen 6 has given Mewtwo one hell of a lot boost.
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#173 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:22:21 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5265-03.jpg

LOL what is with Mega Man in this? He looks like a 50 year old Apache chief or something.


It's Mega Man's true form.

I'm so glad that pic showed up. It almost makes up for the poll itself being boring.
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#174 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:22:23 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
Mewtwo looking dominant here. I think there's a ceiling on just how many people will actually vote for a pokémon - so I don't see him busting up N9'ers 1v1 - but whatever happened made so Mewtwo is king in that hierarchy.

Also, MM at ~51%, drops a full 6% by the end of the match. Over / under?


Under, very under. I'd be stunned if MM dropped that much, he had joke/bandwagon trends last match that should not be present here.

I would think.
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#175 | Walao_eh | Posted 9/13/2013 9:22:33 PM | message detail
People overreacting again, MM will fall off rapidly throughout the whole match, he was at 40.77% against Red/Samus during this period.
#176 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:22:42 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
I expect you to be weakening enough that your legendary ability to get rSFFed by MMX results in an outright loss to Zero, and you go out and beat what should've been a boosted Charizard.

If you seriously thought Zero>Mega Man was remotely possible in this universe, then it's not Mega Man's matches which make no f***ing sense, it's your ability to predict that makes no f***ing sense!

I mean even if that was remotely conceivable, the fact that MM has beaten Zero at least twice already should have clued you in. Seriously man, WTF?
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#177 | Qwaar | Posted 9/13/2013 9:22:45 PM | message detail
Woo, 11th on Expert. Shame about Omega being so far ahead.
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#178 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 9:23:37 PM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
I really think Gen 6 has given Mewtwo one hell of a lot boost.


But his new forms were not too well received? So it's tough to tell. Maybe fans were just reminded of him.
#179 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:25:07 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
Snake/Samus is the real final. Draven is a nonfactor.


Draven is exactly the reason why Snake/Samus as completely worthless!
#180 | xp1337 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:25:17 PM | message detail
im317 posted...
is Devin trying to lose score in expert? i just don't understand how he can do so well in the normal bracket and so poorly in the expert.

Follow the Guru for the most part but then not pay much attention to the contest/Board 8's analysis?

Speaking of. His max possible score is a 529 so anyone above that can just no pick if they want karma. On the other hand, you can conceivably see a 972 point swing in the finals so in theory the only people who can full pick the finals and be safe to beat Devin are the Top 15 on the leaderboard.

With 1015 points and getting everything wrong you'd fall into a tie with a hypothetical Devin perfect prediction!
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#181 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:26:38 PM | message detail
Walao_eh posted...
People overreacting again, MM will fall off rapidly throughout the whole match, he was at 40.77% against Red/Samus during this period.


I don't think so, not to that extent anyway. I mean, he'll fall, because Europe is a thing and it will hurt, hurt, hurrrrrt. But he's just not being bandwagoned like that. I *think* he shouldn't finish too far below the 50% mark.

Bad news for Snake and Crono, what an awful match
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#182 | spooky96 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:26:49 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
spooky96 posted...
I really think Gen 6 has given Mewtwo one hell of a lot boost.


But his new forms were not too well received? So it's tough to tell. Maybe fans were just reminded of him.


Not really, the new forms of it were received well, in fact nearly everything about generation 6 has been received well so far except for the inclusion of fairy type.
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#183 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:27:09 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Snake/Samus is the real final. Draven is a nonfactor.


Draven is exactly the reason why Snake/Samus as completely worthless!

Yeah is Snake really is better in Europe than Samus, he'll stomp her.
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#184 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/13/2013 9:27:21 PM | message detail
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#185 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/13/2013 9:27:24 PM | message detail
Samus would probably have been a lot more popular here if people knew Mario wouldn't be around. However, not many expected that so we got killed on this match. Only 7 people in the top 126 gets it right. Prediction percentage is generally in the single digits and goes above 10 every now and then. Middle tiers looks like they do slightly better than the top tiers but really there was massive damage across the board.

31 people fell off the Top 49. Kirbydamasta, SmartMuffin, wishiwasdead, YetAnothrShadow, mrdean55, Not_Dave, Biscuit__, Calintares, ChichiriMuyo, Fr0zoN, scaryice, Shinuzzo, DoctorBIind, Lancelot_BT, Bane_Of_Despair, Mark_DeRosa, stupidghost0112, TheKoolAidShoto, The_Ps2_Devil, ecksgem, Eikei, Gamenook, Greenmonkey034, Masato_Tanaka, Metal_DK, redrocket, SuorGenoveffa, transience, tYLERf, AsurasKordoth and Crossfiyah did not have Samus winning.

14 people got it wrong and survived. Former first place GrayFoX16, former second place SpikeSetsFire, former third place strikerkid, ChrisHansen59, dasportplaya43, htaeD, CarveyFAQs, Crypt0zoologist, FlyEaglesFly10, metroidcomposit, LordoftheMorons, Not_Wylvane, Xcarvenger and FFIXOwner also did not have Samus winning.

Congrats to the 4 people on the leaderboard who got it right! Current first place ERLiNo, current second place Leebo86, current third place sldfghtrike and current fourth place Smallville_Fan brilliantly predicted Samus's victory!
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#186 | ZFS | Posted 9/13/2013 9:28:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, while Samus/Snake is the real deal, it's not going to be a fun match to watch, I don't think. Snake will have the rally/bandwagon/take down Draven vote instead of Samus, so even if she's stronger (a definite possibility, I think) it won't show tomorrow.
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#187 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:28:22 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Walao_eh posted...
People overreacting again, MM will fall off rapidly throughout the whole match, he was at 40.77% against Red/Samus during this period.


I don't think so, not to that extent anyway. I mean, he'll fall, because Europe is a thing and it will hurt, hurt, hurrrrrt. But he's just not being bandwagoned like that. I *think* he shouldn't finish too far below the 50% mark.

Bad news for Snake and Crono, what an awful match

It's a bonus poll! Not legitimate. Can't be bad news for Crono >_>
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#188 | JJH777 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:28:25 PM | message detail
Walao_eh posted...
People overreacting again, MM will fall off rapidly throughout the whole match, he was at 40.77% against Red/Samus during this period.


Sure he fell a lot in that match but in his first 3 matches of the contest he actually rose a lot from the board vote. Including vs Kratos and Jill which was really strange since they should not have good board votes.
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#189 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:29:27 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
im317 posted...
is Devin trying to lose score in expert? i just don't understand how he can do so well in the normal bracket and so poorly in the expert.

Follow the Guru for the most part but then not pay much attention to the contest/Board 8's analysis?

Speaking of. His max possible score is a 529 so anyone above that can just no pick if they want karma. On the other hand, you can conceivably see a 972 point swing in the finals so in theory the only people who can full pick the finals and be safe to beat Devin are the Top 15 on the leaderboard.

With 1015 points and getting everything wrong you'd fall into a tie with a hypothetical Devin perfect prediction!


yeah but since reddit was kind enough to make 1st place a lock, the worst you can really get is 0 unless they pull the ultimate troll move.....and don't rally at all
#190 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 9:29:43 PM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
Scarlettail posted...
spooky96 posted...
I really think Gen 6 has given Mewtwo one hell of a lot boost.


But his new forms were not too well received? So it's tough to tell. Maybe fans were just reminded of him.


Not really, the new forms of it were received well, in fact nearly everything about generation 6 has been received well so far except for the inclusion of fairy type.


I saw a lot of criticism for the forms as being poorly designed and rather ugly, which they are. Mega Pokemon have been received great, but Mewtwo seemed mixed.
#191 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 9:31:02 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Snake/Samus is the real final. Draven is a nonfactor.


Draven is exactly the reason why Snake/Samus as completely worthless!


Only Reddit, and a small percentage of FAQs, votes for Draven. He'll run away with it cause of Reddit, so the real, FAQs final is Snake/Samus. I don't see why it won't be interesting as an almost 1v1 matchup.
#192 | pjbasis | Posted 9/13/2013 9:31:23 PM | message detail
Man how did Mewtwo become the strongest pokemon
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#193 | ZFS | Posted 9/13/2013 9:31:49 PM | message detail
But if she does win, or get that support instead of Snake, I think that'd be a decent sign. Far from definitive, but when it comes to rallies, it's hard to imagine people siding with Samus over Snake. Snake seems like he'd be a lot easier to get support for, with MGS being far more popular and widespread than Metroid.
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#194 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:31:52 PM | message detail
I know it's a bonus poll and is highly dubious and there's no guarantee Mewtwo+Pikachu isn't weaker than Pikachu+Squirtle due to the way SFF v LFF works out, I know all that...

...but I still like to make straightforward analyses, even if they're ones that don't favor me. It's not like Snake hasn't had results this contest that haven't looked better than Samus and of course I'll take him there personally. But right now Mega Man is looking really good for Samus to have scored 53.5% on.
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#195 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/13/2013 9:32:09 PM | message detail
What are the chances that Draven's power European vote saps Snake's night vote enough to let Samus slip into second place?
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#196 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:32:12 PM | message detail
Looks like as time goes by (play it again Sam!), Mewtwo is SFFing Pikachu less. Which should make the Pokemon combo stronger overall, and result in Mega Man dropping.
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#197 | spooky96 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:33:17 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
spooky96 posted...
Scarlettail posted...
spooky96 posted...
I really think Gen 6 has given Mewtwo one hell of a lot boost.


But his new forms were not too well received? So it's tough to tell. Maybe fans were just reminded of him.


Not really, the new forms of it were received well, in fact nearly everything about generation 6 has been received well so far except for the inclusion of fairy type.


I saw a lot of criticism for the forms as being poorly designed and rather ugly, which they are. Mega Pokemon have been received great, but Mewtwo seemed mixed.


Actually yes, saying mixed would be right, but I'd say the majority did like the new forms. Fairy was bashed up mercilessly initially.
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#198 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/13/2013 9:33:24 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Snake/Samus is the real final. Draven is a nonfactor.


Draven is exactly the reason why Snake/Samus as completely worthless!


Only Reddit, and a small percentage of FAQs, votes for Draven. He'll run away with it cause of Reddit, so the real, FAQs final is Snake/Samus. I don't see why it won't be interesting as an almost 1v1 matchup.


because Snake is better in Europe, where Draven's rallies are more focused
also Snake will (probably) have the bandwagon against Draven
#199 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 9:34:07 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
But if she does win, or get that support instead of Snake, I think that'd be a decent sign. Far from definitive, but when it comes to rallies, it's hard to imagine people siding with Samus over Snake. Snake seems like he'd be a lot easier to get support for, with MGS being far more popular and widespread than Metroid.


Eh, I'd put them on roughly equal tiering, at least as far as my impressions of the reddit community are concerned. I don't think either result is a good indicator. This match is probably a better indicator than that.
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#200 | creativename | Posted 9/13/2013 9:34:50 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Man how did Mewtwo become the strongest pokemon

It makes sense with an across the board Pokemon boost, he'd boost the most.

Him actually being as weak as he was, was the surprising thing. With his badass design you'd have figured him to be stronger.

I'm pretty sure that when he made his contest debut, most expected him to be stronger than he ended up being.
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