Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1172

#451 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/13/2013 10:54:10 AM | message detail
Interestingly divvying out Squall's vote 70/30 projects Vivi for a 54/46 win over Red. Right now MM is 54/46 with Red while he contends with another Nintendo character in the poll.
#452 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/13/2013 10:54:23 AM | message detail
The 4th place match is a bonus thing? No expert or brackets involved right?
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#453 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/13/2013 10:55:20 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Poor Sonic, being dragged down by Bowser like that. You know who beat a Pokemon with an anchor weighing him down?


Cloud!
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#454 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/13/2013 10:55:43 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Poor Sonic, being dragged down by Bowser like that. You know who beat a Pokemon with an anchor weighing him down?


A much weaker pokemon and he needed rallies to do it. He certainly wasn't doing it on his own. Would like to see Charizard put 60% on Sephiroth and 64% on Vincent.
#455 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/13/2013 10:56:08 AM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
The 4th place match is a bonus thing? No expert or brackets involved right?


yes
#456 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/13/2013 11:07:26 AM | message detail
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Tifa's results from the past include 43.6% on Sonic in 2005, the year Mega Man barely beat Sonic. 61.96% on 2010 Gordon Freeman isn't what I'd call an elite performance either. We have precedent for Samus/Tifa matches producing nonsense results. The Sephiroth performance can probably be disregarded based on how badly he gets bandwagoned against, particularly with Missingno. going down. Tifa's performances put Big Daddy, Ness, and Soap all way higher than common sense and other results would indicate. Worst of all is Geno being stupidly close to the fodder-line in 2010 when he's otherwise been a huge failure (and I say that as someone with a SMRPG-related user name); this year, Mega Man got about what Link was projected to on 2010 Geno.

Yeah, Tifa's not getting close to Mega Man. Constant-ish Tifa while the rest of FFVII crumbles around her would speak poorly of this site's voters, but I could maybe buy it. Substantially-boosted Tifa sounds ridiculous.


Since last contest, Tifa got her most high-profile game appearance since Kingdom Hearts II. Sure, it was only a PSP game, but I'd have to think every little bit helps.

Heck, as for the rest of Dissidia 012, Yuna and Gilgamesh both did well. Lightning's the only red flag there. I think characters who got exposure in Dissidia 012 who otherwise don't get much exposure have boosted as a result, or have at least countered any possible deboost. Same idea as Jecht in 2010.
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#457 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/13/2013 11:11:38 AM | message detail
SnoicFactor posted...
I wonder if Samus takes the "fighting robot" votes from Megaman. She is the older Robot.. 1986 vs 1987 for MM >_>


"I am more than a robot!"

And Samus...I don't even. That being said, some things I will concede:

-All or at least most of Samus's personal stuff in Other M felt forced.
-The game's plot basically turned Mother Brain into an expy of The Overmind from StarCraft, and MB is pretty much a complete rip-off of Kerrigan. HOW DO YOU RIP OFF OF STARCRAFT???
-I won't defend Other M's writing. I didn't think it was offensively bad, but I also don't think the same about any Metal Gear Solid game. Other M has worse writing than any MGS game. That's quite a feat.
-The subtle characterization that Samus got in prior installments of the series was way more compelling than what she got in Other M. If you even want to call that characterization.
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#458 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/13/2013 11:16:06 AM | message detail
What is Mighty 9? The replacement of MM? Does that mean no more MM games?
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#459 | CP724 | Posted 9/13/2013 11:20:55 AM | message detail
Tifa's results from the past include 43.6% on Sonic in 2005, the year Mega Man barely beat Sonic. 61.96% on 2010 Gordon Freeman isn't what I'd call an elite performance either. We have precedent for Samus/Tifa matches producing nonsense results. The Sephiroth performance can probably be disregarded based on how badly he gets bandwagoned against, particularly with Missingno. going down. Tifa's performances put Big Daddy, Ness, and Soap all way higher than common sense and other results would indicate. Worst of all is Geno being stupidly close to the fodder-line in 2010 when he's otherwise been a huge failure (and I say that as someone with a SMRPG-related user name); this year, Mega Man got about what Link was projected to on 2010 Geno.

Yeah, Tifa's not getting close to Mega Man. Constant-ish Tifa while the rest of FFVII crumbles around her would speak poorly of this site's voters, but I could maybe buy it. Substantially-boosted Tifa sounds ridiculous.


so basically, if we take all her bad matches at face value and rationalize that she overperformed in her good ones Tifas not getting close to mega man, ok man.

For real though I dont think she beats mega man, shed probably get 46-47%. Id like to see Tifa versus Squall.
#460 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/13/2013 11:22:49 AM | message detail
Tifa's had too many impressive performances recently to really be coincidental. She's certainly fared much better than her fellow FF7 companions.

Hell, I'd take Tifa > Vincent 1v1 at this point, even if he had a good pic.
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#461 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2013 11:28:15 AM | message detail
Bacon just changed the title of this page earlier:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5265

Of course, he hasn't added the characters to the page just yet.
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#462 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2013 11:31:31 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5267

And he was willing to give us Draven vs. Link based on the page title.
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#463 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/13/2013 11:34:13 AM | message detail
CP724 posted...
Id like to see Tifa versus Squall.

Not_Wylvane posted...
Hell, I'd take Tifa > Vincent 1v1 at this point, even if he had a good pic.

Yeah this is exactly why we need a straight 1v1 no gimmicks character battle. Set up the brackets for as many matches as possible between Tifa Squall Auron Luigi Yoshi Kirby MMX Pikachu Squirtle Mewtwo Charizard Zelda Sora Dante Zero Ryu Bowser Ganondorf and then try to funnel whichever of those you think would be the strongest into Sonic Crono and MM.
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#464 | Fenny | Posted 9/13/2013 11:35:21 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5267

And he was willing to give us Draven vs. Link based on the page title.


YES! 1v1. No matter what happens, that should be interesting.
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#465 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/13/2013 11:37:17 AM | message detail
That is the best news all contest. The hero is back to reclaim his throne.
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#466 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 11:37:59 AM | message detail
I really don't wanna see this board's reaction if Draven ends up beating Link by more. <<
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#467 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2013 11:42:52 AM | message detail
Oracle prediction topic for Draven/Link has been posted:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67233533
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#468 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 11:44:56 AM | message detail
Yes, Draven v. Link! Perfect!
#469 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/13/2013 11:45:09 AM | message detail
I really don't wanna see this board's reaction if Draven ends up beating Link by more. <<

Could happen, the board really tried hard to get Link to win.
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#470 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 9/13/2013 11:46:26 AM | message detail
Excellent. The real battle is upon us. The match I wanted to see all contest will finally happen...gentlemen, may the best character win!
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#471 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/13/2013 11:46:29 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I really don't wanna see this board's reaction if Draven ends up beating Link by more. <<


Hell, I don't want to see the board's reaction if Draven falls on his face either.

I just want this whole Draven/Link thing to go away.
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#472 | Pentrox | Posted 9/13/2013 11:48:57 AM | message detail
Should have had a match between Draven and whoever ends in 2nd but 1v1
#473 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2013 11:49:01 AM | message detail
The match picture submission form is showing this text as an option in the dropdown list:

Bonus Battle #4 (9/15 9PM): Draven vs. Link, Final Destination, No Items

That is amazing.
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#474 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/13/2013 11:52:21 AM | message detail
So what happens if the impossible happens and Snake wins the final?
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#475 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/13/2013 11:54:46 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
So what happens if the impossible happens and Snake wins the final?
We get to check off another Bingo square.
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#476 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/13/2013 11:55:45 AM | message detail
So why this bonus match? What does it accomplishes? Let us say Link wins by 90%. So? Anyway that is not fair for Draven. It is difficult to rally for 48 hours.
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#477 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/13/2013 11:56:31 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
So what happens if the impossible happens and Snake wins the final?


I hope he changes it if that's the case. He is, rightfully, assuming Draven will win.
#478 | ChichiriMuyo | Posted 9/13/2013 12:00:35 PM | message detail | (edited)
IngmarBirdman posted...
CP724 posted...
Id like to see Tifa versus Squall.

Not_Wylvane posted...
Hell, I'd take Tifa > Vincent 1v1 at this point, even if he had a good pic.

Yeah this is exactly why we need a straight 1v1 no gimmicks character battle. Set up the brackets for as many matches as possible between Tifa Squall Auron Luigi Yoshi Kirby MMX Pikachu Squirtle Mewtwo Charizard Zelda Sora Dante Zero Ryu Bowser Ganondorf and then try to funnel whichever of those you think would be the strongest into Sonic Crono and MM.


Oops, first read that as a suggestion that those characters go in SFF matches. That would be bad. If these were mostly non-SFF matches that would be fine, but I don't know that we'd get a more satisfying result in that format. At best we get accurate stats, but most people that vote don't really care about that or even actively dislike the idea of the contests being predictable.
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#479 | Sorozone | Posted 9/13/2013 11:57:10 AM | message detail
Yeah can't say I'm excited for the 1v1.

Would have preferred the Link vs Snake vs Mario.
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#480 | TheOceIot | Posted 9/13/2013 11:59:14 AM | message detail
I just can't see Link vs Draven being anywhere near as exciting as the first match.
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#481 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2013 12:01:11 PM | message detail
Also, with this match being 1v1, we will probably have the regular PotD results page for this match. That means any rally attempts would require the person to link directly to the home page instead of the results page.
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#482 | Kinglicious | Posted 9/13/2013 12:02:10 PM | message detail
Draven vs Link
The match involving the to people I wanted to be done with for at least another year. Terrible news.
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#483 | Kinglicious | Posted 9/13/2013 12:02:10 PM | message detail
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#484 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/13/2013 12:02:33 PM | message detail
ChichiriMuyo posted...
IngmarBirdman posted...
CP724 posted...
Id like to see Tifa versus Squall.

Not_Wylvane posted...
Hell, I'd take Tifa > Vincent 1v1 at this point, even if he had a good pic.

Yeah this is exactly why we need a straight 1v1 no gimmicks character battle. Set up the brackets for as many matches as possible between Tifa Squall Auron Luigi Yoshi Kirby MMX Pikachu Squirtle Mewtwo Charizard Zelda Sora Dante Zero Ryu Bowser Ganondorf and then try to funnel whichever of those you think would be the strongest into Sonic Crono and MM.


And create another contest like 2k4? No way. That would be terrible. The last time a bracket was intentionally stacked with SFF matches we saw a lot of boring matches. I'd rather not see that happen again. If these characters meet by chance, fine, but creating as many SFF matches as possible for the next contest is a good way to convince people we shouldn't do contests at all.

I think you misunderstand. Has nothing to do with SFF. Tifa v. Pikachu. Yoshi v. Squall. etc. I'm saying create normal matches from amongst those characters because their strength is ambiguous. Just because I listed Tifa Squall and Auron next to each other doesn't mean have them battle.
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#485 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/13/2013 12:05:23 PM | message detail | (edited)
Safer_777 posted...
So why this bonus match? What does it accomplishes? Let us say Link wins by 90%. So? Anyway that is not fair for Draven. It is difficult to rally for 48 hours.
Before Rivalry Rumble, if you were in the second semifinal match, that's what you would have always had to do if you were the underdog relying on rallies to win. Snake did pretty well back-to-back in 2008 so dunno if it's really that bad for Draven.

If Draven can't manage to do it though, that's just a natural weakness of relying on rallies for 80+% of your strength. Nothing unfair about it.
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#486 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 12:05:11 PM | message detail
Yeah, turnarounds aren't too bad, especially if you're building a bandwagon. I really don't think we've seen anyone adversely affected by them - if anything, they usually help.
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#487 | 2Dover3D | Posted 9/13/2013 12:07:22 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So why this bonus match? What does it accomplishes? Let us say Link wins by 90%. So? Anyway that is not fair for Draven. It is difficult to rally for 48 hours.


Its not fair for a different site to decide the outcome of a contest, either. Draven is the last one who needs to worry about a fair match.
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#488 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/13/2013 12:10:44 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So why this bonus match? What does it accomplishes? Let us say Link wins by 90%. So? Anyway that is not fair for Draven. It is difficult to rally for 48 hours.


lol "not fair"
if he can't keep up 48 hours of rallies, fair game, L-Block could do it
#489 | Zenithian Legend | Posted 9/13/2013 12:11:28 PM | message detail
Dammit Mega Man, you've cost me a shot at finishing in the top 3 of the expert challenge... first by beating Charizard, and now by getting blasted by Samus. Sigh...
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#490 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/13/2013 12:14:53 PM | message detail
So is this a good performance from Red or what.
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#491 | spooky96 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/13/2013 12:15:49 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
So is this a good performance from Red or what.


Pretty decent.
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#492 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/13/2013 12:17:28 PM | message detail
I was joking. This is actually a bad result for Samus, Mega Man, and Red, and a good result for Crono.
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#493 | HaRRicH | Posted 9/13/2013 12:18:47 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Bonus Battle #4 (9/15 9PM): Draven vs. Link, Final Destination, No Items


Perfect title.
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#494 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 12:19:07 PM | message detail
It's about what I expected from Red. A shade more on Mega Man, a shade less on Samus, though that could easily change by the end of the match. I'm of the opinion that Samus and Mega Man are hurting each other significantly more than Red is hurting either one of them. Don't think Samus gets less than 60-40 on Red naturally, for instance.
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#495 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/13/2013 12:20:13 PM | message detail | (edited)
GloriousSweater posted...
So is this a good performance from Red or what.

From 39% on MMX to 42% on Samus and 45.5% on post-Brawl and Mighty No. 9 announcement Mega Man? Yeah, that sounds PRETTY GOOD.

Wouldn't come close to holding up 1-on-1, though. Unless you'd take Red = Charizard.
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#496 | Averia | Posted 9/13/2013 12:19:20 PM | message detail
If they don't rally, we will see how Base Draven in all his glory.
#497 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/13/2013 12:20:06 PM | message detail
Play Super Metroid
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#498 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/13/2013 12:20:35 PM | message detail
You may joke but we keep getting good results for Crono, even now! It's kind of hilarious.

I would be conflicted on Pikachu/Mewtwo tomorrow but Pikachu winning would be a good result for Crono, so, gotta take 'im.
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#499 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 9/13/2013 12:21:36 PM | message detail
Play Megaman 2
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#500 | Fenny | Posted 9/13/2013 12:21:39 PM | message detail
The Legend of Zelda: Link's revenge!
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