Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1171

#51 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/11/2013 11:04:30 PM | message detail
Solid Snake
49.49%
4996 Votes
Your Pick

Squirtle
25.61%
2585 Votes

Pikachu
24.9%
2514 Votes
Total Votes: 10095
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#52 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/11/2013 11:05:06 PM | message detail
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#53 | creativename | Posted 9/11/2013 11:07:00 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Previous thread talked a little about where Samus's support comes from. Honestly, Samus being as strong as she is on this site (indirectly close to if not stronger than Mario!?) has never made much sense to me.

I like Samus so I can't complain, but it vexes me so. Especially since she was already so strong in 2002 that Metroid Prime didn't seem to have boosted her that much, and Super Metroid is her only other game that has any strength at all.

So, uh...Why is Samus so strong on gamefaqs?

Samus was one of the biggest gaming icons of the NES era before Super Metroid even came out.

Samus being a girl was THE video game spoiler.

Samus combines badass design+highly acclaimed games. Even without Smash she would have been a top 20 character here easy back in 2K2.

xp1337 posted...
Smash?

samus the ultimate beneficiary of smash. brought her right into the noble nine.

Smash made her Noble Nine caliber, but she would have been very strong in 2K2 without it. Everyone knew Samus back in the NES days, and Super Metroid was legendarily good. Smash's impact on her popularity is greatly overstated.

Karma Hunter posted...
Samus is a combination of Dante-style design, except her series is a decent bit stronger (Dante's series is shockingly weak for his level of strength, I can't imagine how strong he'd be with a series people cared about) and Smash. That's about it.

This is somewhat true. Design+highly acclaimed series, and then Smash to give her a marginal boost on top of that.

Yeah, if DMC was Metroid level popular and he was in Smash from the start, Dante would be pretty beastly.
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#54 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/11/2013 11:07:21 PM | message detail
I think Zelda and SMB are completely safe from Pokemon. Final Fantasy......well Pokemon would need to rally. A lot. But it could win.
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#55 | creativename | Posted 9/11/2013 11:11:17 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
Samus has held a special status as Nintendo's "#3 legend" since the early 90s. That's the sort of intangible that a character like Dante dreams of having and might contribute just as much to her strength as anything else. Samus's strongest game (probably Super Metroid, though Prime likely doesn't lag far behind) is only around Super Mario Kart's level. Her games are weak but her status is very established. I think she'd be pretty damn strong even without Smash. She'd be no midcarder, that's for sure.

Finally someone who actually knows what they're talking about! Yes, Samus was one of the original gaming icons. Can't believe so many people write her popularity off to Smash. These people clearly were not actually around in the pre-Smash days.

LeonhartFour posted...
I'd take Prime to beat Super Metroid easily.

Easily.

It would now, due to recency and the playrate for Super Metroid being very low these days. But if you count their "peak" strength relative to their eras, Super Metroid absolutely crushes Prime.
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#56 | creativename | Posted 9/11/2013 11:12:52 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
SMB would crush Pokemon, both in a poll and in a contest for fanbase broadness. Pokemon is broader than any Square-based fanbase, but that's not saying too much.

This is so not true. Even if SMB beat Pokemon it would not "crush" it, that's nuts.

And again, SMB is the only thing that even has an argument for #2 fanbase over Pokemon. Nothing else is in the conversation.
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#57 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 11:15:23 PM | message detail
I think Prime would have always had a great shot at beating Super Metroid here. Even in 2004, Super Metroid didn't win that "Favorite Metroid Game" by all that much.

But Super Metroid looked pretty ordinary in 2009. While going 50/50 with HL2 and FO3 may not be THAT great, I'd still take it over going 50/50 with Super Mario Kart.
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#58 | creativename | Posted 9/11/2013 11:16:39 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I think Zelda and SMB are completely safe from Pokemon. Final Fantasy......well Pokemon would need to rally. A lot. But it could win.

Pokemon would get that rally. It always does, especially against Final Fantasy.

FF characters not even from the same game will tend to LFF each other worse than RBY Pokemon do. Hence the Pokemon base being "broader", as that is what I define broader as. Not sure if you're working with a different definition of broader.
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#59 | pjbasis | Posted 9/11/2013 11:18:13 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
FF characters not even from the same game will tend to LFF each other worse than RBY Pokemon do.


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#60 | Xuxon | Posted 9/11/2013 11:20:50 PM | message detail
i just noticed if Squirtle gets second, i could be on the expert leaderboard. that's insane. my expert bracket is so awful.
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#61 | creativename | Posted 9/11/2013 11:21:18 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I think Prime would have always had a great shot at beating Super Metroid here. Even in 2004, Super Metroid didn't win that "Favorite Metroid Game" by all that much.

But Super Metroid looked pretty ordinary in 2009. While going 50/50 with HL2 and FO3 may not be THAT great, I'd still take it over going 50/50 with Super Mario Kart.

Prime would have had a great shot at Super Metroid because SM came out in 1994! They would have been very close 8-10 years ago, which is pretty amazing because that was around Prime's peak strength and SM was already old by then. Of course Prime would win easily now.

Again, the playrate for SM these days is going to be really, really low.

But respective to their peak strengths in a "what if contests were around" sense, SM was stronger by a large margin than MP ever was. MP was extremely well-received, but it was no SM.
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#62 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 11:22:21 PM | message detail
Well, that's not really what the argument is about. Yoblazer was saying Super Metroid was Samus's strongest game now, and I was just saying I doubt that's the case.
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#63 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/11/2013 11:25:39 PM | message detail
It's probably close. I see nothing "off" with Super Metroid beating HL2 and giving FO3 a good fight. Mario Kart could probably do the exact same if not better.
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#64 | creativename | Posted 9/11/2013 11:26:48 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
creativename posted...
FF characters not even from the same game will tend to LFF each other worse than RBY Pokemon do.


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Notice I said "tend to".

Also for instance Snake vs. Auron vs. Tidus would be even worse than this, as Auron would SFF Tidus. Auron+Tidus would be weaker than the sum of their parts.

Something like Cloud+Squall would also be pretty bad, the strength of Cloud+Squall together would be pathetic compared to their strengths when separate.

With Squirtle and Pikachu, it's LFF, but no SFF.

LeonhartFour posted...
Well, that's not really what the argument is about. Yoblazer was saying Super Metroid was Samus's strongest game now, and I was just saying I doubt that's the case.

Well yeah that's true then. SM can't be the strongest game anymore, way more people here have played Prime.
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#65 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/11/2013 11:27:57 PM | message detail
FF characters not even from the same game will tend to LFF each other worse than RBY Pokemon do. Hence the Pokemon base being "broader", as that is what I define broader as. Not sure if you're working with a different definition of broader.

Yes, that's how I'm using broader. And I agree that Pokemon is broader than FF. I disagree strongly that it is broader than Old Nintendo (NES/SNES). And that would include stuff like Mega Man.

As for SMB crushing Pokemon, I mean it would win without the result being in any doubt....using Ulti's definition of a blowout here. Would not expect any SFF. I'd take SMB over FF nowadays too.
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#66 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 11:28:38 PM | message detail
Eh, I don't have a lot of respect for Super Mario Kart's strength. I mean, it's not weak or anything, but it's probably middle of the road. It's definitely weaker than Mario Kart 64, if nothing else.

I'd take Super Mario RPG to beat Super Metroid with ease, for the record.

(SUPER METROID LOST?!)
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#67 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/11/2013 11:31:35 PM | message detail
I honestly don't think Pokemon LFF is that much better than FFVII though. It's going to be a lot better than FFI/FFIV LFF, and a lot worse than SMB3/SMW LFF, or Link/Mario LFF. Cloud/Sephiroth LFF is right in the middle there, maybe a little worse than RBY Pokemon.
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#68 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/11/2013 11:32:50 PM | message detail
Thought about the whole genius idea again, what with impersonating GameFAQs staff and contacting reddit... you know what would be even funnier? Duplicating that old paypal scam where they used a fake website that looked exactly like paypal but replaced the 'L' with a capital 'I' in the domain and simply defrauded people out of their money. Host a fake poll at qamefaqs.com or something lol.
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#69 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 11:36:36 PM | message detail
The Pikachu night vote cometh

also Snake I guess
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#70 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 11:56:10 PM | message detail
#71 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2013 12:00:50 AM | message detail
quiet don't wake up the ralliers
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#72 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/12/2013 12:03:18 AM | message detail
Solid Snake
50.38%
6205 Votes
Your Pick

Squirtle
25.16%
3099 Votes

Pikachu
24.46%
3012 Votes
Total Votes: 12316

Okay, Pikachu's dead 3rd.
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#73 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/12/2013 12:04:04 AM | message detail
Squirtle!
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#74 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 9/12/2013 12:05:44 AM | message detail
Snake is now doubling Squirtle. And all is right with the world.
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#75 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/12/2013 12:34:21 AM | message detail
Just thought of something. What if that "all fictional characters" battle we've been clamoring for is the "not Character Battle X" that Allen's said is up next? It would be entirely in character for Allen to consider what we want to no longer fit the definition of a character battle because it goes against historical precedent.

Which would be hilarious because allowing characters whose origins weren't in video games in is less of a shark-jumping than 3ways and 4ways were!
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#76 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 12:35:39 AM | message detail
Allen said his idea for the next contest would be something that would (hopefully) be less prone to outside rallies.

Only things I can think of are Quote Contest and Console Contest.

Which means c'mon Quote Contest
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#77 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/12/2013 12:45:40 AM | message detail
I think Squirtle got this
It's just a 80 lead but I feel safe calling this over
Unless there is a crazy rally just for Pikachu,I don't expect any change of trends
#78 | InsaneGamer137 | Posted 9/12/2013 12:47:16 AM | message detail
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#79 | sickbullet | Posted 9/12/2013 12:51:56 AM | message detail
That's pretty funny, split votes for pokemon, Snake through.
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#80 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/12/2013 12:55:52 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
It's just a 80 lead but I feel safe calling this over


You mean a 60 vote lead.

...Uh oh!
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#81 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/12/2013 1:00:21 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Allen said his idea for the next contest would be something that would (hopefully) be less prone to outside rallies.

Only things I can think of are Quote Contest and Console Contest.

Which means c'mon Quote Contest


Welcome to the League of Draven beats every quote with 70% of the vote.
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#82 | LOLContests | Posted 9/12/2013 1:03:13 AM | message detail
A console contest is the only thing I can think of that wouldn't have rallying. Might be fun if it was just 16 entrants. I'd just be disappointed that we're getting this now, and not several years ago, when I would have stood alone in my N64 > PS1 upset pick, and reaped all the glory from calling it.

A company contest might be OK too, if there was a minimum game requirement.
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#83 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:09:10 AM | message detail
#84 | Qwaar | Posted 9/12/2013 1:09:53 AM | message detail
How anyone can call this fight over is beyond me. Come on you silly rat!
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#85 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/12/2013 1:11:13 AM | message detail
Qwaar posted...
How anyone can call this fight over is beyond me. Come on you silly rat!


Well they stalled each other for 2 hours with no rally
I don't understand how...trends,can come into play here
#86 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/12/2013 1:12:18 AM | message detail
Well it looks like the night vote is going to favor Pikachu, for one.

Unless it's just a coincidence that he cut over half the lead in the last hour
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#87 | jtwo22 | Posted 9/12/2013 1:13:56 AM | message detail
If it wasn't for Draven still being around. Would Snake be the favorite to win this contest?
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#88 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:14:53 AM | message detail
Link/Samus/Snake would be a pretty favorable setup for Snake, yes.

Not sure if it'd be better or worse than Link/Mario/Snake though.
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#89 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/12/2013 1:15:11 AM | message detail
This is really far from over. A true 50/50 match, like Vincent/Squall.

Hopefully Bacon means it'll be 1v1. Just making it 1v1 makes it far, far, more resistant to rallies.
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#90 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:15:27 AM | message detail
Or Link/Mega Man/Snake, I guess.
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#91 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:15:55 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
This is really far from over. A true 50/50 match, like Vincent/Squall.

Hopefully Bacon means it'll be 1v1. Just making it 1v1 makes it far, far, more resistant to rallies.


Bacon doesn't seem to like 1-on-1 though. He likes formats that allow for random variation.
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#92 | jtwo22 | Posted 9/12/2013 1:18:33 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Link/Samus/Snake would be a pretty favorable setup for Snake, yes.

Not sure if it'd be better or worse than Link/Mario/Snake though.


So Snake finally gets his big chance to win this contest... and Draven takes it away.
Snake can't catch a break.
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#93 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/12/2013 1:20:25 AM | message detail
You'd think Mario would drain Link worse than Samus, but given the Nintendo fanbase's amazing ability to fall in line when needed, the difference probably is pretty small. Link could 75/25 Mario or Samus in that match and I wouldn't bat an eye.

However, with either of them, the LFF against Link will not be all that powerful. Classic Nintendo is a truly truly broad fanbase, the broadest on this site. Zack only went from 30% to 34% on Link when Mario and MMX were both added. Snake needs to be worth at least 46% on Link 1v1 for Mario LFF to get him over I think. And I'd guess it's actually more like 47% in a match where Link needs the votes. That would make Link/Mario LFF half as powerful as Cloud/Sephiroth LFF, which seems about right.
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#94 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/12/2013 1:21:33 AM | message detail
I dunno. I think Bacon may just want to see Link lose. Multiways are certainly effective at achieving that goal. Link has lost more multiway contests than he's won.
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#95 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:22:48 AM | message detail | (edited)
Oh, Bacon definitely wants to see Link lose. He's been not so subtle about that.

Don't think he reverts back to 1-on-1 simply because Link lost though.
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#96 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/12/2013 1:22:47 AM | message detail
Solid Snake
50.46%
7461 Votes
Your Pick

Squirtle
24.89%
3680 Votes

Pikachu
24.65%
3645 Votes
Total Votes: 14786
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#97 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/12/2013 1:25:42 AM | message detail
Did Link have a majority of the brackets in the Guru to win the contest? I'm guessing he did, because people believe (wrongly) that he is invincible. I took Link in my bracket, but only because I think Link/Mario has particularly little LFF.
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#98 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:26:43 AM | message detail
78.78% of Gurus picked Link to win, yeah.
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#99 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/12/2013 1:29:06 AM | message detail
Wow. That's huge. I'm guessing almost all of them had Mario reaching the final too. That's almost mind-boggling levels of groupthink given Cloud was a 46.5% on Link last contest and Snake was at 44.5%.
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#100 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2013 1:29:58 AM | message detail
Yep, 91% had Mario in the finals.

6 Gurus have Mega Man and 2 have Samus.
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