Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1170

#151 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 9/11/2013 4:37:08 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Probably whoever isn't Snake will be abandoned.


Disagree. Nintendo fanbase is too hardcore and won't support Snake. If Samus is in that final, she holds up fine and probably beats Snake, IMO. If Mega Man is in the final, he gets flattened below a pancake.
#152 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/11/2013 4:37:28 PM | message detail
This match won't reach 100000 votes because the rally has really died down at this point. We only got 2423 votes from 6:00-7:00 PM. We would have to maintain that pace for the next 5 hours to barely reach 100000 votes. And vote totals will continue to decline for the rest of the match.
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#153 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 4:37:44 PM | message detail
FFVII influenced RPGs in general, good and bad. It's not the cause of FF's problems today.
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#154 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:40:25 PM | message detail
I dunno. I think the Nintendo fanbase may have lost the will to fight. Samus as champion? Do we even want that result?
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#155 | Lvthn | Posted 9/11/2013 4:40:26 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
ZFS posted...
Whoa, what, Cloud isn't the problem with Final Fantasy. The problem lost to DK. FFVII is just old, like Chrono Trigger. And Square Enix is a joke!


But they're the same character!

The best you can say for Cloud is that he's the game character equivalent of The Dark Knight Returns - Does a good job, then people, including his own creators, try to emulate it, get it wrong and it leads to the Dark Age (of comics, or of Final Fantasy in this case).

Seriously though, FF7 is responsible for modern FF. Not a bad game, but harmful.


I agree, and I would extend it back even to Chrono Trigger to a certain extent. It represents a values shift in Square's RPGs, and unfortunately they chose to keep further exaggerating those elements until they became utterly over the top and pushed out everything else.
#156 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/11/2013 4:42:41 PM | message detail
Samus is one of my favourite characters in this contest. However, I am voting for Mega Man I think (unless Mega Man is easily ahead). Literally the only hope for the contest now.
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#157 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 9/11/2013 4:47:36 PM | message detail
Much as I would love Mega Man to win it all (he deserves to be our seventh champion, not counting L-Block), I just don't think he has it in him to compete in that final. I think Samus does. I'm hoping MM can do it. But Samus is probably our only hope.

And when I say that I'm giving her a 7% chance to beat Draven.
#158 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:49:27 PM | message detail
Heh, Sephiroth doubled Draven on that last update. 84 to 39.
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#159 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:50:15 PM | message detail
In fact, Sephiroth has cut Draven 4 updates in a row.
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#160 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:50:23 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
SBAllen has confirmed it: Reddit votes split for Draven over Link at a 60/40 ratio. 40% backfire rate, a little better even than the 65/35 I was speculating about earlier.

I am really happy to see that. That proves Draven is mortal, Link wins a 1v1 easily, Snake probably wins a 1v1, and Draven probably wasn't being stuffed to any major degree.


Dubious considering there was a period in the poll where the Reddit rally thread was deleted and Draven dropped very quickly down to hanging with Shepard while Link didn't lose a step, he certainly didn't lose 40% of his votes.
#161 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/11/2013 4:52:37 PM | message detail
Draven's max lead in this match reached 14819. Mewtwo will probably end up cutting off about 1500 votes from that lead.
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#162 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 4:55:44 PM | message detail
Mega Man getting squashed in the finals while Samus wouldn't doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Blue Bomber arguably has a bandwagon right now and that would arguably intensify in the finals. Not to mention that he's basically Nintendo as well.
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#163 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:57:06 PM | message detail
Dubious considering there was a period in the poll where the Reddit rally thread was deleted and Draven dropped very quickly down to hanging with Shepard while Link didn't lose a step, he certainly didn't lose 40% of his votes.

Probably masked by natural vote intake being at its peak during that time (midday).
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#164 | armitage999 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:57:28 PM | message detail
Too bad that it's too late to make any sort of magic happen in this contest.
#165 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 4:59:03 PM | message detail
Also arguing Samus (or anyone else) having a whopping 7% chance of beating Draven is laughably stupid. Samus probably can't even do it 1v1, let alone with anchor named Solid Snake strangling her.
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#166 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/11/2013 4:59:11 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
5149: Jak over Draven
5171: Falcon over Alucard
5220: ?-Block over Rikku
5227: Mega Man X over Draven
5232: Luigi over Big Boss
5246: Mario over Vivi
5247: Missingno over Squall
5251: Zelda over Charizard
5253: Link over Draven
5255: Kirby over Sephiroth
5261: Charizard over Mega Man

what could have been


Most interesting part is considering the large rally for L-Block over Auron and the massive rally for Squirtle over Cloud...they don't appear here. The registered users must have been voting those results by a pretty large margin.
It seems registered users vote the joke option a lot as well, I guess protest votes from users who don't like these contests are in the majority because they certainly aren't the audience you'd expect to be entertained from repeat appearances from L-Block/Missingno
#167 | tgs2 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:00:17 PM | message detail
Draven's votals just tanking like this gives me hope in Snake/Samus/Mega Man at least finishing above Chie level in the Draven-Stats. They can keep drawing in 90-110 votes while Draven will just be in the 60s late in the match even if it is out of reach.
#168 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:01:57 PM | message detail
So, who would you say has better odds between Mega Man and Samus this round?

We've seen MMX get pretty close to Mario with Nintendo leeching. Mega Man is supposed to be slightly stronger in the first place... add in his Smash Boost (however much it is), and it seems he should be the favorite over Samus! Oh, and Mega Man's bandwagon, if it's worth anything.
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#169 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:04:03 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Dubious considering there was a period in the poll where the Reddit rally thread was deleted and Draven dropped very quickly down to hanging with Shepard while Link didn't lose a step, he certainly didn't lose 40% of his votes.

Probably masked by natural vote intake being at its peak during that time (midday).


Shepard remained steady and rose a little. If you look at that update period ignoring Draven there's no noticeable difference in what's happening for Link and Shepard, they continue as normal while Draven's vote suddenly halves. This is at around noon so it's not really the time for sudden big voting spikes.
#170 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 5:05:13 PM | message detail
I give a 60/30/10 percent chance for Samus/Mega Man/Red respectively. Red legitimately scares me for reasons I won't go into but I'm not going to pick a Pokemon if I can realistically avoid it. Mega Man even as an upset is sexy enough for me to take. The dynamic just has to continue breaking his way.
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#171 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 5:05:55 PM | message detail
I hope we don't get a Best Console contest. PC will just blow everything away when r/Lol rallies for it.
#172 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/11/2013 5:09:25 PM | message detail
N-Gage rallied to beat the SNES.
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#173 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/11/2013 5:13:10 PM | message detail | (edited)
Most interesting part is considering the large rally for L-Block over Auron and the massive rally for Squirtle over Cloud...they don't appear here. The registered users must have been voting those results by a pretty large margin.

Huh. Hadn't thought about that.

I'd guess it'd be a slim margin though. Registered users narrowly back Squirtle/L-block, regular gamefaqs guests favor Cloud/Auron by a decent margin, and rallied guests back Squirtle/L-block overwhelmingly.

And it kind of sucks that the last Draven match looks like it's going to be worst by far. We first got exposed to his ridiculous potential in round 1, watched him completely wreck a high-midcarder and a near-elite worse than Link could in Round 2, saw him almost lose and he probably would have actually lost were it not for the downtime in Round 3, and now in Round 4 we had the mystery man (let's call him Chester) putting on his fake mustache and fooling the reddit mods into thinking he's SBAllen.

What else could possibly happen? Looks like Draven's just going to boringly dominate the final.
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#174 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/11/2013 5:15:20 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
People were asking how strong Mewtwo is. I don't think anyone has a lot of confidence in any number they could come up with for that being accurate but:

Based on Phoenix Wright's matches, Mewtwo this year is worth 63.81% on Marth.

2010 Sephiroth got 71.80% on Marth.

You'd think Marth would be constant-ish. Extrapolating through FFVII has issues, but it's Pokemon, so I'm not going to worry about them.

Works out to Mewtwo being worth ~38.96% on 2010 Sephiroth. Adjustments for 24 hours probably helps Marth against either opponent and helps Mewtwo against Phoenix and add in additional Pokemon rallying/bandwagoning/whatever if it looks like they need it. 2010 Auron was worth 40.99% on Sephiroth and should probably be the minimum, with 2010 Squall's 42.52% on 2010 Sephiroth being more likely. Considering Auron > Sonic 2008 and large amounts of Bowser/Sonic overlap would put Sonic and Mewtwo fairly close, that sounds reasonable. Squall was worth 36.35% on Link that year.

Best I could do! Would I bet that number is accurate? No, of course not. It's Pokemon.


But Marth wouldn't have much reason to stay constant, would he...

I think he'd more need a specific reason to not stay constant. Staying at least roughly constant is generally what characters are expected to do by this point. Unless the character is new or in vogue, large declines usually take awhile. Marth's had Brawl as recently as 2008 and his series did get a new game earlier this year where he was at least mentioned and where he was playable using optional DLC content. I dunno if that actually does much for him, but I wouldn't think he'd be notably weaker either.


Well, that's true. Though with mainly Smash-dependent characters tanking...
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#175 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:24:26 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
I hope we don't get a Best Console contest. PC will just blow everything away when r/Lol rallies for it.


lol that would be the definition of pathetic
#176 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 5:26:51 PM | message detail
One of these Pokemon needs to pull a Mega Man tonight. I say Squirtle should be the choice here.
#177 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:28:50 PM | message detail
clearly Draven/Squirtle/Red is the best chance


what
#178 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 5:29:47 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
clearly Draven/Squirtle/Red is the best chance


what


Why not? Draven will win no matter what, so the other two spots are just ours to toy with.
#179 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/11/2013 5:31:56 PM | message detail
What Smash-dependent characters are tanking, again?
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#180 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:35:21 PM | message detail
bets on what % Mewtwo beats Draven in the US by the end of the match?
#181 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:36:08 PM | message detail
Shepard remained steady and rose a little. If you look at that update period ignoring Draven there's no noticeable difference in what's happening for Link and Shepard, they continue as normal while Draven's vote suddenly halves. This is at around noon so it's not really the time for sudden big voting spikes.

Are you talking about that 15 minute period around noon when they briefly took down the rally topic and then put it back up?

First, Link's vote intake was considerably lower in that period, it dropped from averaging 210 or so to 175, while Draven dropped from around 130 to 75. That's actually.....just about exactly what you'd expect to see if the reddit votes really were splitting around 65:35 for Draven as I have been speculating (with the Link rallies bringing the overall outside votes down to Bacon's 60/40 figure).

Second, the time period is so small and the vote intake large enough that Link's intake is almost indistinguishable from variance. Draven's dropoff is probably meaningful, it's very hard to read much into Link's.

Third, the rally had already been gradually weakening for many hours before that, so I question how useful that block of time is.

Note that Link is getting the vast majority of his votes from non-rallied sources at midday. But at the end of the poll and in the dead zone, he is getting a large majority of his votes from rallies- either his own or Draven's. It adds up to Link getting a bit more than 40% of his votes overall from rallies.
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#182 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:44:03 PM | message detail
Mewtwo now over 40% on Draven and the lead is under 14000. He's won the last 30 updates on Draven, cutting just over 600 in that time. In total, the lead is about 850 below its peak. Looks like the lead will finish around 13000 or a bit higher.
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#183 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:47:38 PM | message detail
So which pokemon is getting abandoned tonight? I suppose I will vote for Pikachu.
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#184 | snoocete | Posted 9/11/2013 5:52:58 PM | message detail
I'm voting Ekans!
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#185 | xp1337 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:57:33 PM | message detail | (edited)
So I have Snake > Pikachu > Squirtle

hopefully this just means pikachu is going to lose

if it's snake then i will personally apologize to the stats topic.

Well, technically, I'll be right today, but Draven matches are clearly the exception here!
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#186 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 5:54:44 PM | message detail
I was hoping we'd abandon Pikachu, since Squirtle has the bandwagon, but this is going to be tough.
#187 | BlitzKing900 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:54:51 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
So which pokemon is getting abandoned tonight?


Both :)
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#188 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:54:51 PM | message detail
Snake for 50% tonight: yes or no?
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#189 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 5:57:06 PM | message detail
Draven's last 5 updates: 28, 36, 33, 26, 28.

See this, Snake? Behold.......the force to whom you are about to lose.
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#190 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/11/2013 5:59:35 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
What Smash-dependent characters are tanking, again?


Pit got last place in a match where most expected either him or Cecil to win.
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#191 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/11/2013 6:00:49 PM | message detail
The problem is that even one of Pikachu/Squirtle wouldn't beat Snake unless the third was Big Boss or whatever. I think Snake is just a step ahead of Cloud, enough to hold off Pokemon rallies.

It was still worth it to see Squirtle > Cloud and Pikachu > Sora despite Blue. Both were hilarious results, and if it resulted in a semi-final match that may even be duller than today's, so be it!
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#192 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 6:00:58 PM | message detail
Based on previous matches like this, i.e. Pikachu/Sora/Blue, Megaman/Zero/Charizard, this is not automatic for Snake. After all, we have no idea how Pikachu and Squirtle will split. Or at least I hope it's not automatic!
#193 | pjbasis | Posted 9/11/2013 6:03:28 PM | message detail
Last of Round 3 stats. Ya go my Riku (and Magikarp)

Mega Man - 8.72’
Charizard - 8.71’
Zelda - 8.70’

Magikarp - 5.04’
Riku - 4.44’
Zero - 4.25’
DK - 3.59’
Marston - 3.83’
Jill - 3.55’
Kratos - 3.11’
Lightning - 3.02’
Rikku - 3.00’

Cube - 2.94’
? Block - 2.72’
Claptrap - 2.45’
Lenneth - 2.31’
Geno - 2.01’

Sackboy - 1.59’
Recette - 1.56’
Nier - 1.56’
Lyndis - 1.52’
Travis - 1.51’
Kratos A - 1.50’
Boko - 1.50’
Haggar - 1.41’
Falco - 1.24’
Red Bird - 1.00’
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#194 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/11/2013 6:03:49 PM | message detail
Draven
46.31%
42716 Votes
Your Pick

Mewtwo
31.39%
28950 Votes

Sephiroth
22.3%
20570 Votes
Total Votes: 92236
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#195 | tgs2 | Posted 9/11/2013 6:05:36 PM | message detail
Sephiroth might end up breaking 35% on Draven despite straight up getting tripled by him during the majority of his rally.

Really goes to show just how immense the difference in strength is.
#196 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/11/2013 6:12:33 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
What Smash-dependent characters are tanking, again?


Pit got last place in a match where most expected either him or Cecil to win.

That had nothing to do with Smash, though. Pit was already terrible in 2008 when Brawl was the only thing he'd gotten since forever, and based on that performance alone basically nobody would have picked him. (Or I hope they wouldn't have, anyways!) The reason people took him to win was his new game on 3DS. And while that was a terrible reason, Pit did look much better than in 2008.
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#197 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/11/2013 6:19:46 PM | message detail
Match CXIX: (1) Solid Snake vs. (5) Squirtle vs. (6) Pikachu

Previous Round

Solid Snake – 47.58%
GlaDOS – 26.28%
Kefka – 26.14%

Squirtle – 42.91%
Cloud Strife – 41.94%
Leon Kennedy – 15.15%

Pikachu – 40.28%
Sora – 39.96%
Pokemon Trainer Blue – 19.76%

Analysis

With the Pokemon essentially taking over Solid Snake is almost gifted a spot in the final. I know LFF does not mean instant lose, but I do not see Snake losing this match. Pokemon fans would have to essentially abandon one of the characters and even then a massive rally would be required to win.

The fight for second on the other hand is a lot more interesting. Base off of their contest performances I would have to say Squirtle has had a better performance. Even ignoring the rally barely losing to Cloud is better than being about equal with Crono. Even pre-contest I think most of us would have taken Squirtle as the second strongest Pokemon character behind Charizard.

One thing I am worried about is something weird might happen in a direct match-up. Pikachu may not be a huge fan favourite, but he is known as the face of the series and when it comes to voting and people see two Pokemon characters they may vote for which one they perceive as being more popular rather than going with their favourite in order to give the series the best chance at winning. With that said the fanbase could also go the other way and support Squirtle.

I see this match going in two ways, one where Squirtle wins and Pikachu keeps close and the other where Pikachu wins and Squirtle gets SFF. I have always been a firm believer that should a match like this happen the fanbase will support Pikachu, but I would not be surprised if Squirtle takes the win.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Solid Snake > Cloud Strife and Sora

charmander6000’s Prediction: Solid Snake – 44.34%, Pikachu – 34.43%, Squirtle – 21.23%
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#198 | Zenithian Legend | Posted 9/11/2013 6:27:17 PM | message detail
I feel like after his comeback last night, Mega Man is destined to beat Samus, with Red firmly in 3rd place, but what do I know...

L-Block and Tifa would've been crushed by Charizard, and the fact that you toss Zero in there, really makes Mega Man's win impressive.

Mega Man has all the momentum now, and I also feel it helps his match happened after Samus'.

This is a really tough pick for me in the "Expert Challenge" as it will likely determine wether or not I finish in the top 8 or fall to pieces at the finish line.
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#199 | im317 | Posted 9/11/2013 6:29:38 PM | message detail
im taking Mega Man to win based on twitter. the official Mega Man twitter account posted a link to the poll last round
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#200 | im317 | Posted 9/11/2013 6:33:12 PM | message detail
wait, i just checked and that account only has 8,767 followers.
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