Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1170

#51 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:48:02 PM | message detail
Yeah, TP was on the Wii a good month before the Cube version came out.
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#52 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:48:10 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
If Pokemon Diamond wins a GotG contest, then I'd just have to simply go 'huh'.


HG/SS, gotta pick up those nostalgia votes :P
(ok but seriously, GotG 4-ways because why the hell not, nobody cares anyway)
#53 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 1:48:57 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
If Pokemon Diamond wins a GotG contest, then I'd just have to simply go 'huh'.


HG/SS would be stronger.
#54 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/11/2013 1:49:27 PM | message detail
Game of the Gen is OoT3DS I thought we decided this already.
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#55 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:50:07 PM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
Game of the Gen is OoT3DS I thought we decided this already.


Technically not last gen!
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#56 | L0rd_Yggdrasil | Posted 9/11/2013 1:51:29 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
If Pokemon Diamond wins a GotG contest, then I'd just have to simply go 'huh'.


Noone gives a crap about any pokemon games post Gold.
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#57 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 1:53:30 PM | message detail
L0rd_Yggdrasil posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
If Pokemon Diamond wins a GotG contest, then I'd just have to simply go 'huh'.


Noone gives a crap about any pokemon games post Gold.


Yet the Pokemon X boards continue to be among the most popular here!
#58 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/11/2013 1:53:49 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
This match is...only 3662 votes behind LSD
Im..quite surprised


Actually, we're about 4600 votes behind that match. Of course, this match is only pulling in about 250-300 votes per update at this time of the day while Draven's last match was pulling in about 400-550 votes per update at this time.
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#59 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 1:54:21 PM | message detail
5149: Jak over Draven
5171: Falcon over Alucard
5220: ?-Block over Rikku
5227: Mega Man X over Draven
5232: Luigi over Big Boss
5246: Mario over Vivi
5247: Missingno over Squall
5251: Zelda over Charizard
5253: Link over Draven
5255: Kirby over Sephiroth
5261: Charizard over Mega Man

what could have been
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#60 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:55:53 PM | message detail
Pokemon would run into Zelda eventually. Can't win!
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#61 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:58:40 PM | message detail
That's because we had 90 minutes of downtime already by this point in the match last week, and no downtime today.
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#62 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/11/2013 2:05:52 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
The issue with a Game of the Generation Contest is that it features none of the games we're actually excited to see, except Skyrim and LoL.

General interest in such a contest would be very low.


The only way for that contest to avoid being a total crapfest is to have a 1v1 format for the entire contest and no gimmicky divisional splits.


LeonhartFour posted...
Oh right, Brawl would be there, too, I guess. Technically TP wouldn't be eligible because it was a GameCube game first...!


I don't know how Bacon will determine what games are eligible for that kind of contest. I guess as long as the game was released on a current generation platform between 2006 and 2013, it would be considered eligible. In the case of the DS and PSP, it would also include all games released on those systems between 2004 and 2013.
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#63 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 2:06:43 PM | message detail
I gave Pokemon a lot of credit in this contest but nothing past RBY/GSC is gonna be worth anything, really.
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#64 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/11/2013 2:08:30 PM | message detail
I was thinking of making a board contest like that once the PS4 and XBONE come out.

I would just make it simple if it was released on the DS, PS3, PSP, Wii or Xbox 360 then it was allowed, PC is a bit harder, I'd probably just make 2004 the cut-off.
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#65 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 2:12:16 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
5149: Jak over Draven
5171: Falcon over Alucard
5220: ?-Block over Rikku
5227: Mega Man X over Draven
5232: Luigi over Big Boss
5246: Mario over Vivi
5247: Missingno over Squall
5251: Zelda over Charizard
5253: Link over Draven
5255: Kirby over Sephiroth
5261: Charizard over Mega Man

what could have been


These are so good.
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#66 | Denzokuken (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/11/2013 2:13:56 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
5149: Jak over Draven
5171: Falcon over Alucard
5220: ?-Block over Rikku
5227: Mega Man X over Draven
5232: Luigi over Big Boss
5246: Mario over Vivi
5247: Missingno over Squall
5251: Zelda over Charizard
5253: Link over Draven
5255: Kirby over Sephiroth
5261: Charizard over Mega Man

what could have been


These are so good.


The worst. set. of results. ever.
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#67 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 2:19:03 PM | message detail
They're some seriously Ninty-biased results, but if you couldn't tell that registered users have Nintendo up on a pedestal I'm not sure what to tell you.

I'd be kind of interested in seeing some marquee matches where registered users couldn't vote, just to see just how dramatic the divide is with the casual userbase.
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#68 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/11/2013 2:22:04 PM | message detail
Other than the Draven matches, these results would all be worse than what we got.
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#69 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/11/2013 2:34:14 PM | message detail
Pokemon games from this generation aren't going to compete with the big boys, yeah, but they can probably embarrass a lot of the lesser games.

We already saw RSE beat GTAIV. I can't see Halo 3 beating Pokemon at this point, especially after it struggled against Super Mario Sunshine in Game of the Decade. Pokemon vs. Uncharted 2? Bioshock? Resident Evil 5? God of War III? Assassin's Creed II? Everything from the GOTY 2012 poll?
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#70 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 2:38:32 PM | message detail
Post-RBY/GSC Pokemon is only going to get franchise votes at that point and little else. It's not actually a worthwhile entity.

It's like how Skyward Sword would smack down probably all those games you listed. Even though its strength and playrate is almost certainly abysmal for a Zelda game.
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#71 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/11/2013 2:40:07 PM | message detail
Pokemon Black/White might have some strength, a lot of people seemed to like it.
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#72 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 2:40:51 PM | message detail
Like, I might take a completely made up Zelda game with a completely made up name like, The Legend of Zelda: Eventide of Eleusis over a fourth to a third of the bracket. But I wouldn't actually want to see it!
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#73 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/11/2013 2:41:39 PM | message detail
Post-GSC Pokemon games still sell like 15 million for the first set and like 7 million for the 3rd version. Plus Pokemon is very popular right now in general and I doubt it's just because of genwunner nostalgia.
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#74 | pjbasis | Posted 9/11/2013 2:42:08 PM | message detail
Ultimaphazon posted...
Other than the Draven matches, these results would all be worse than what we got.

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#75 | pjbasis | Posted 9/11/2013 2:42:50 PM | message detail
Except Zelda > Charizard, that would have been nice
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#76 | LOLContests | Posted 9/11/2013 2:43:27 PM | message detail
Also don't forget that rally votes and registered user votes are not mutually exclusive.
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#77 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/11/2013 2:43:50 PM | message detail
Would that mean registered users would vote Zelda > Mega Man?
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#78 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 2:44:40 PM | message detail
That doesn't translate into strength for a site that's stuck in the past. Even with franchise votes DPP and RSE got absolutely trashed in GotD. They got default votes over crap like GTA IV and FE: PoR, and that's about it.

You can put them in if you want, but they won't be notable once they run into something with any real popularity on this site.
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#79 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 2:48:24 PM | message detail
Like, I might take a completely made up Zelda game with a completely made up name like, The Legend of Zelda: Eventide of Eleusis over a fourth to a third of the bracket. But I wouldn't actually want to see it!

I'd like to think that, but the LoZ fanbase is amazingly undronish. I've always been amazed by the difference adding or subtracting a single "I" to "Final Fantasy VII" makes. And Zelda is even less dronish.
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#80 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 2:52:33 PM | message detail
(6) Chrono Cross
(11) The Legend of Zelda: Terror of Twinrova
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#81 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 2:52:59 PM | message detail
Twinrova it is
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#82 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/11/2013 2:53:07 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
(6) Chrono Cross
(11) The Legend of Zelda: Terror of Twinrova


why would you do this to me
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#83 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 2:58:37 PM | message detail
Twinrova it is.
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#84 | L0rd_Yggdrasil | Posted 9/11/2013 2:59:38 PM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
ZFS posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
5149: Jak over Draven
5171: Falcon over Alucard
5220: ?-Block over Rikku
5227: Mega Man X over Draven
5232: Luigi over Big Boss
5246: Mario over Vivi
5247: Missingno over Squall
5251: Zelda over Charizard
5253: Link over Draven
5255: Kirby over Sephiroth
5261: Charizard over Mega Man

what could have been


These are so good.


The worst. set. of results. ever.


For draven drones maybe.

Also I meant in relative to popularity contests on this site. Noone cares about games post Gold.
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#85 | Averia | Posted 9/11/2013 3:01:08 PM | message detail
Vivi > Mario was awesome, though Kirby > Sephiroth would have been funny.
#86 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/11/2013 3:01:29 PM | message detail
Maybe im wrong with the calculations,but using the average % spread ever since the rally died,this match will end with about the following-
Draven-47081,45.5%
Mewtw-33097,32%
Sephiroth-23164,22.4%
About 103342 votes total
Of course,im not taking trends into account,but still nice estimation

Draven might finish with just 1% higher than he did on Link (but yeah..this match is not really fair as the rally died hours ago and no reason to revive it,as Mewtwo barely wins updates)
#87 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 3:04:49 PM | message detail
Sephiroth's just killing Mewtwo, as we all should have expected. Even being pretty much abandoned in favor of the Pokemon he's hanging over 41% on him.

As a comparison, Shepard's anchor on Link was a whopping 20% of the vote.
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#88 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 3:05:18 PM | message detail
Draven also had 90 minutes of rally downtime at the start of this match, instead of 90 minutes of Gamefaqs downtime during the height of the day vote last week.
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#89 | L0rd_Yggdrasil | Posted 9/11/2013 3:05:48 PM | message detail
Quick, lets replace Mewtwo with Link and Shepard with Seph for 5 hours.
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#90 | Averia | Posted 9/11/2013 3:07:50 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Sephiroth's just killing Mewtwo, as we all should have expected. Even being pretty much abandoned in favor of the Pokemon he's hanging over 41% on him.

As a comparison, Shepard's anchor on Link was a whopping 20% of the vote.


I think even if he had died and go to 10% with all of those going to Mewtwo, that wouldn't have changed much, Draven would still be 5000 votes ahead and that would be more than enough considering how slowly Mewtwo is cutting.
So yeah Sephiroth is ruining Mewtwo, but that doesn't matter that much.
#91 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 3:09:51 PM | message detail
No, it doesn't matter, but it puts things into perspective for people who were seriously arguing for Mewtwo to be able to beat a rallied Draven. Not only is he not strong enough (and the backfire percentage on this rally is assuredly less than it is for Link), but Sephiroth is an unbearable anchor. Link would never have been able to get close to Draven with Sephiroth in the match.
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#92 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/11/2013 3:10:49 PM | message detail
Beating Sephiroth is the consolation of this match.
#93 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/11/2013 3:12:15 PM | message detail
That's the thing. I'm not sure there are enough games with real popularity on the site from this generation to stop modern Pokemon from being franchise-voted way further than it should.

Like, there's Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy and maybe Galaxy 2, Brawl, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 and eventually 5, Portal and Portal 2, Mass Effect 1-3 assuming 3 doesn't get hilariously anti-voted, Half-Life 2 if it counts as this generation, League of Reddit...

...Uh. Uh. Maybe Donkey Kong Country Returns? Assassin's Creed II? Arkham City and/or Arkham Asylum?

We already saw DPP get into Round 3 in Game of the Decade. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Pokemon make a Sweet 16 run in Game of the Generation, especially if we get a soft division or two.
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#94 | JJH777 | Posted 9/11/2013 3:13:05 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
so if Snake beats Draven 1-on-1 after the contest is he the real champion and will you guys consider him a "legit" champion

or are you still going to say he's a joke for doing what Link couldn't do and it's his fault Link didn't make it to the finals


The only way he actually wins is if they stop rallying because it's a bonus match or because it just can't keep momentum for 48 hours straight. If that happens of course Snake isn't a real champion just because he won. There's no way snake wins a match where Draven gets 56k votes which is what Link would have won if he wasn't cheated out of it.
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#95 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/11/2013 3:13:11 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
5149: Jak over Draven
5171: Falcon over Alucard
5220: ?-Block over Rikku
5227: Mega Man X over Draven
5232: Luigi over Big Boss
5246: Mario over Vivi
5247: Missingno over Squall
5251: Zelda over Charizard
5253: Link over Draven
5255: Kirby over Sephiroth
5261: Charizard over Mega Man

what could have been


This is obviously quite interesting, because it clearly proves that registered users are far more likely to anti-vote FFVII because they are more familiar with their contest history. Unregistered users are far less likely to anti-vote FFVII here.

Also, it proves that registered users make up a much larger percentage of the board vote compared to the final vote totals. This is very obvious when you look at the trends in this poll:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdFJwWW5rem9Eci0zYkxsUGVSNjk0RkE

"Several times a day" starts out with an extremely strong board vote and was able to build up a 618 vote lead in the first 2 hours before "Around once a day" started making a comeback. The lead change happened after 6:12 AM and "Several times a day" displayed classic L-Block trends where it was bleeding percentage for the entire poll.
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#96 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 3:15:26 PM | message detail
Link would have squashed Sephiroth pretty good for his strength level, though. Not able to win, obviously, but Seph would probably be sitting in the mid-teens, close to 15%, probably, instead of above 20%.
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#97 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 3:16:40 PM | message detail
Arkham Asylum would tear modern Pokemon apart - did you see what it did in GotD? Same for ACII. City's a bit of a question mark.

DPP made the third round because it went through a weak fourpack. Set up something like (4) Pokemon Black/White vs (13) Fallout: New Vegas and it gets trashed.
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#98 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/11/2013 3:17:35 PM | message detail
Would Pokemon HG/SS be eligible? I could picture it being pretty good at least.
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#99 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 3:20:07 PM | message detail
I don't know if HG/SS is eligible, but if it does anything it'd be largely as a GSC proxy. Again, we don't really need to see that, or any other remakes for that matter.
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#100 | fluffyflyingpig | Posted 9/11/2013 3:21:00 PM | message detail
hahahahaa, the vote chart by time is hilarious. what he hell happened? someone have a quick summary?
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