Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1170

#1 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/11/2013 12:55:28 PM | message detail
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A = Strongest Character
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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 12:57:42 PM | message detail
#3 | Denzokuken (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/11/2013 12:58:14 PM | message detail
Jak should be an honorary member of the NN btw
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#4 | L0rd_Yggdrasil | Posted 9/11/2013 1:00:38 PM | message detail
I thought his voice would be somewhat funny. It's not just sounds like a pedo. What a garbage character.
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#5 | Blairville | Posted 9/11/2013 1:02:51 PM | message detail
Today is 9/11. Coincidence? Yeah, probably.
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#6 | swirIdude | Posted 9/11/2013 1:11:57 PM | message detail
Blairville posted...
Today is 9/11. Coincidence? Yeah, probably.


Don't tell that to Red Shifter.
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#7 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 1:17:47 PM | message detail
Ideally, yes, Link, perhaps Mario and maybe Snake should be able to win if the rally topic has no selection bias (simply 'Vote in Link v Draven!', for example) and hits r/all. At that point r/all becomes a vast liability because the general population of reddit simply crushes LoL.
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#8 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:18:29 PM | message detail
To sum up: Going from 44% to 50% is freaking hard.

Another example here of how hard it is: Suppose Link/Draven goes 90/10 on Gfaqs with natural votes of 50k. Rallied votes split 70/30 for Draven.

Link 45k
Draven 5k

With 50k rallied votes, we now have....

Link 60k
Draven 40k

With 100k rallied votes, we now have.....

Link 75k
Draven 75k

It took an equal number of additional rallied votes to go from 90/10 to 60/40, as it took to go from 60/40 to 50/50.

And what this means is that if SBAllen gives us Draven v. Snake 1v1 at the end, Snake has very real winning chances.
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#9 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/11/2013 1:19:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67217483

Posting this once more. There seem to be some stat topicers here that like the idea of a 1 v 1 but aren't going over to the petition topic to show their support, and in the wise, poetic words of Sonic: that's no good.
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#10 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:19:53 PM | message detail
so if Snake beats Draven 1-on-1 after the contest is he the real champion and will you guys consider him a "legit" champion

or are you still going to say he's a joke for doing what Link couldn't do and it's his fault Link didn't make it to the finals
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#11 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:20:08 PM | message detail
If the rally topic has no selection bias and hits r/all Draven is completely cooked. Even with selection bias, Link/Snake have a great chance of winning that 1v1.
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#12 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/11/2013 1:20:33 PM | message detail
Snake would crush him 1v1.
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#13 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/11/2013 1:22:33 PM | message detail | (edited)
People were asking how strong Mewtwo is. I don't think anyone has a lot of confidence in any number they could come up with for that being accurate but:

Based on Phoenix Wright's matches, Mewtwo this year is worth 63.81% on Marth.

2010 Sephiroth got 71.80% on Marth.

You'd think Marth would be constant-ish. Extrapolating through FFVII has issues, but it's Pokemon, so I'm not going to worry about them.

Works out to Mewtwo being worth ~38.96% on 2010 Sephiroth. Adjustments for 24 hours probably helps Marth against either opponent and helps Mewtwo against Phoenix and add in additional Pokemon rallying/bandwagoning/whatever if it looks like they need it. 2010 Auron was worth 40.99% on Sephiroth and should probably be the minimum, with 2010 Squall's 42.52% on 2010 Sephiroth being more likely. Considering Auron > Sonic 2008 and large amounts of Bowser/Sonic overlap would put Sonic and Mewtwo fairly close, that sounds reasonable. Squall was worth 36.35% on Link that year.

Best I could do! Would I bet that number is accurate? No, of course not. It's Pokemon.
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#14 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:21:43 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Ideally, yes, Link, perhaps Mario and maybe Snake should be able to win if the rally topic has no selection bias (simply 'Vote in Link v Draven!', for example) and hits r/all. At that point r/all becomes a vast liability because the general population of reddit simply crushes LoL.


I keep telling you guys to make more neutral rallying threads, you people keep saying "stop going over there"
really now!
#15 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 1:22:33 PM | message detail
Eh, whatever Snake does in a theoretical True Finals won't matter to me as far as considering him a 'legit' champion (at that point, besides, Draven is the champion anyway, Snake would be the champ as much as ? Block in 07).

A championship is secondary to the tallest task of all, anyway - Beating Link. That's the true championship.
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#16 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:22:41 PM | message detail
Back in 2009, we said that if FFVII won the bonus poll, then OOT would be contest champion and FFVII would be the strongest game.

Here, if Snake wins the bonus poll.......Draven is the contest champion, and the strongest character is.....Link.

It sounds like a double standard but it's really not. I'd want to see a Link v. Snake poll next but that's too much to hope for!
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#17 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:23:07 PM | message detail
Whoa, I see Reddit made the rallies happen, anyway. Yikes.
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#18 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:23:14 PM | message detail
#19 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:23:18 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
If the rally topic has no selection bias and hits r/all Draven is completely cooked. Even with selection bias, Link/Snake have a great chance of winning that 1v1.


I suppose our best bet then is:

1. Make the rally topic before they do and call it "Snake vs. Mega Man vs. Draven in GameFAQs character battle"
2. Mass upvote it
3. Report any other rallies for being spam

Might work, but this IS LoL we're dealing with. They'll never quit.
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#20 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:23:50 PM | message detail
Karma is right. ? Block beat the champion and Jay Solano beat Link. Yet nobody counts these matches. They are for fun.
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#21 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:24:49 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
so if Snake beats Draven 1-on-1 after the contest is he the real champion and will you guys consider him a "legit" champion

or are you still going to say he's a joke for doing what Link couldn't do and it's his fault Link didn't make it to the finals


Not a real champion unless he beats Link! I would root for him to take down Draven, though.
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#22 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:25:09 PM | message detail
It depends on the bonus match. The 2009 bonus match was every bit the true final, and everyone knew it. It got higher votals. Everyone saw it as the real final. To the casual observer who came across Gamefaqs looking for a guide, it looked like the real final. You wouldn't know it wasn't unless you had followed the contest.
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#23 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/11/2013 1:25:50 PM | message detail
People should really just let this contest finish and then die quietly. These counter rallies and 1v1 plans for legitimacy just aren't going to work and you're setting yourself up for more disappointment.
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#24 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:25:56 PM | message detail
Also, has Allen made any comments so far?
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#25 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:26:32 PM | message detail
Allen popped in the stats topic last night and answered a question about Barkley with "Because."
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#26 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:27:34 PM | message detail
Oh, Barkley, whatever. Don't know why you guys care so much about that!
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#27 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:27:34 PM | message detail
I don't want a Draven bonus poll. I don't want people from the LoL board having a reason to be here for one more day. The faster they leave, the better. I'd rather we get Link/Snake/whoever.
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#28 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:28:11 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Oh, Barkley, whatever. Don't know why you guys care so much about that!


NO BARKLEY NO PEACE
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#29 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 1:30:16 PM | message detail
I don't think anyone is seriously entertaining these things. This is just shooting the breeze while waiting for the last truly interesting match of the contest (Samus/Red/Mega Man).

I don't even really want to see Link v Snake 1v1 right now because I don't think Snake would even make it interesting anymore. Maybe if we were in a 1v1 contest where Link had dominated his half of the bracket in a fashion to build up a lot of hatred against him while Snake built up a big bandwagon on the other side, sure, there's a possibility of an '08 style spark or two.

But Link is GameFAQs's martyr now, there's no reason to believe another character could get in striking range.
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#30 | LOLContests | Posted 9/11/2013 1:30:41 PM | message detail
Ironically, had Link/Shepard/Draven been held on the main page of Reddit, Link probably would have won.
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#31 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:30:51 PM | message detail
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#32 | OnionOfMystery | Posted 9/11/2013 1:31:08 PM | message detail
If Link is the more iconic character in the eyes of the general populace then rally. If the rally fails then LoL players care much more than you, like you've all said before. If the contest doesn't even matter, then stop trying.

Any actions you take to defend yourselves or the contest will be made by the LoL community to be pathetic and in vain. They have the advantage of being very adept at lying to themselves.

The solution to trolling, as in all other places on the internet, is to ignore them. They will go away.
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#33 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:32:44 PM | message detail
OrangeCrush980 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
If the rally topic has no selection bias and hits r/all Draven is completely cooked. Even with selection bias, Link/Snake have a great chance of winning that 1v1.


I suppose our best bet then is:

1. Make the rally topic before they do and call it "Snake vs. Mega Man vs. Draven in GameFAQs character battle"
2. Mass upvote it
3. Report any other rallies for being spam

Might work, but this IS LoL we're dealing with. They'll never quit.


if you people had done this during the Link match it would've been more interesting>_>
#34 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:33:07 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
STRIKE ME DOWN AND I WILL BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE


Link style.
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#35 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 1:37:08 PM | message detail
It's true, Draven does ruin everything
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#36 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:37:45 PM | message detail
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#37 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/11/2013 1:39:14 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Luster, include this in whatever bonus poll topic you do:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67217483


Sure, I will include it in my poll topic when I get around to doing that. I will make a rare exception here and include a 1v1 match suggestion just because we've had a 1v1 bonus match after the final match in a 4-way contest.



red sox 777 posted...
No Game of the Generation contest please. We just had a GOTD contest. Nothing but a non-generational games contest will do.


As someone else said, we need to do GOTG early next year or we won't ever get the chance to run that contest since the a new generation will officially start later this year. If we had GOTG early next year, we'll have to wait until 2015 before getting a broad non-generational games contest again. Keep in mind that we had the GOTD contest only about 1 1/2 years after our last huge games contest, so it's not crazy to run another games contest about a year after doing GOTG.
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#38 | Averia | Posted 9/11/2013 1:39:54 PM | message detail
I'm not sure r/all would even allow a rally.
After all don't forget the "Only the lol subreddit cares about the contest" thing.
#39 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:40:19 PM | message detail
The issue with a Game of the Generation Contest is that it features none of the games we're actually excited to see, except Skyrim and LoL.

General interest in such a contest would be very low.
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#40 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:42:25 PM | message detail | (edited)
This match is...only 3662 votes behind LSD
Im..quite surprised
Labor Day meant nothing? wasn't it a holiday for all the US citizens? I thought more people should visit this site during a holiday?

oh and I don't consider downtime because EVERYONE CAMEBACK AND VOTED FOR LINK
#41 | ZFS | Posted 9/11/2013 1:41:46 PM | message detail
Regular game contest is definitely better than a Game of the Generation one. That's just not a very interesting contest to run on GameFAQs.
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#42 | L0rd_Yggdrasil | Posted 9/11/2013 1:42:06 PM | message detail
Seph should be killing both of these overrated rallied jokes.
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#43 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 1:42:16 PM | message detail
Averia posted...
I'm not sure r/all would even allow a rally.
After all don't forget the "Only the lol subreddit cares about the contest" thing.


r/all is just the top things on reddit.

We've already had rallies hit the front page of r/all from the LoL subreddit. Mega Man X and Ryu aren't exactly casual bait, though.
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#44 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:42:34 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
The issue with a Game of the Generation Contest is that it features none of the games we're actually excited to see, except Skyrim and LoL.

General interest in such a contest would be very low.


I want to see Skyrim sap the hell out of LoL's rally strength, personally!
#45 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:42:43 PM | message detail
Oh right, Brawl would be there, too, I guess. Technically TP wouldn't be eligible because it was a GameCube game first...!
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#46 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/11/2013 1:43:34 PM | message detail
I'd like a GotG contest simply because I'd know how to predict that way better than 99% of GameFAQs.

Woo not being stuck in 2006
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#47 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:44:44 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
I'd like a GotG contest simply because I'd know how to predict that way better than 99% of GameFAQs.

Woo not being stuck in 2006


oh really
what are you gonna do when PokeFEAR strikes and runs over everything
#48 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/11/2013 1:46:20 PM | message detail
Oh right, Brawl would be there, too, I guess. Technically TP wouldn't be eligible because it was a GameCube game first...!

No it came out on the Wii first, it's one of the main arguments for it being a Wii game rather than a Gamecube game during the GotD contest
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#49 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/11/2013 1:47:01 PM | message detail
If Pokemon Diamond wins a GotG contest, then I'd just have to simply go 'huh'.
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#50 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2013 1:47:37 PM | message detail
Oh darn, I was hoping this site would have to rally around Skyward Sword to uphold the LAW.

That would've been much more entertaining than watching TP do it.
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