Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1164

#401 | abdou | Posted 9/10/2013 9:15:33 AM | message detail
No it's not
It's annoying as hell


seriously the people complaining about "all the butthurt" are the most obnoxious.
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#402 | ZFS | Posted 9/10/2013 9:19:14 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
I'm upset I didn't take DK over Lightning, damn Falco causing me to chicken out.


My best call in this bracket!
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#403 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/10/2013 9:36:44 AM | message detail | (edited)
Also it's not Pokemon fault that the characters they beat were so pathetic they couldn't win even with an anchor
We have seen the following-
Aeris>Hero>Rinoa
Kirby>Terra>Peach
Kefka>Zack>Ryu
Leon>Wesker>Oliver
Donkey Kong>Lightning>Falco
Tifa>Dragonborn>Yuna
And..of course,Pikachu>Sora>Blue

It's really,really not Pokemon fault that the opponents are so damn weak they can't beat even with an anchor
Using this logic of "they only won because the stronger character was LFF'D" we would have had Duke Nukem>Mario and Link winning over Isaac would be the very first upset of this contest
#404 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/10/2013 9:38:42 AM | message detail
Regardless of how Pokemon fair next round, I gotta say that I have loved their performances so far. It has made this round much more interesting than it could've been after Draven killed the enthusiasm of the contest. Just to remind all of us of their dominance and the many hopes, dreams, and aspirations they crushed, here's a list of characters that met their fate to Pokemon:

Chester (the toughest one), both Zeros, Sly, Francis, Ramza, JC Denton, Lloyd, Big Daddy, Fox, Wolf, Corvo, Sissel, Riku, Nier, Vincent, Phoenix, Dante, Zidane, Crono, Magus, Nathan, Mr Game, Wario, Wrex, Zelda, DK, Sonic, Bowser, Cloud, Leon, Sora, Vivi, Squall, and soon Mega Man. Also Blue if you count Pokemon characters.

Impressive work.
#405 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/10/2013 9:39:51 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
The best part about all this LFF is that DK wins by more over Lightning without Falco truly the highlight of Character Battle IX


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#406 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/10/2013 9:44:56 AM | message detail
I had Lightning winning here.
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#407 | VeryInsane | Posted 9/10/2013 9:46:45 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Also it's not Pokemon fault that the characters they beat were so pathetic they couldn't win even with an anchor
We have seen the following-
Aeris>Hero>Rinoa
Kirby>Terra>Peach
Kefka>Zack>Ryu
Leon>Wesker>Oliver
Donkey Kong>Lightning>Falco
Tifa>Dragonborn>Yuna
And..of course,Pikachu>Sora>Blue

It's really,really not Pokemon fault that the opponents are so damn weak they can't beat even with an anchor
Using this logic of "they only won because the stronger character was LFF'D" we would have had Duke Nukem>Mario and Link winning over Isaac would be the very first upset of this contest


...No offense, but there is a big gap in power between each example you show.

Pika over Crono probably happens, as does Blue > Fox.

Mewtwo vs. Sonic and Charizard vs. Zelda are probably pretty close without Bowser or DK respectively.

It's Red vs. Vivi/Squall and Charizard vs. Mega Man that likely just don't go in pokemon's favor without that anchor. And in both of those cases, the anchor's a upper-mid/near-elite which makes the situation a little sticky.
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#408 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/10/2013 9:48:10 AM | message detail
jtwo22 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Pikachu doesn't beat Crono without Magus, Mewtwo doesn't beat Sonic without Bowser, Charizard doesn't beat Mega Man without Zero, and Red doesn't beat Vivi without Squall.

Pokemon in general has been coasting along a sea of LFF.


Have to disagree about Mewtwo.
Mewtwo vs Sonic actually seems debatable. Bowser hurting Sonic somewhat is believable ,but It's hard to believe Bowser would have a huge impact on Sonic ,but very little on Mewtwo.
Even if Pokemon resists better.
Sonic just seems weaker and with the release of Pokemon X/Y coming closer. Mewtwo has grown stronger.


I was thinking about that match last night, and I have a theory about what happened.

See, I believe that Pokemon are lightning rods for apathy votes. They're nostalgic as hell, and the population of this website is full of people who were kids around the time that RBY came out.

Sonic and Bowser, as strong as they are, I believe to get most of their strength from apathy votes. They're old enough and mainstream enough that people vote for them when they don't care about any of the characters in the match. Which would explain why Bowser always gets steamrolled in SFF matches, and why Sonic keeps getting 70/30'd by Link, despite being one of the noble nine.

So, if we have two characters whose strength relies on apathy votes, and one character who is an apathy vote lightning rod... well it kind of explains that match pretty well, don't you think?
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#409 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/10/2013 9:51:23 AM | message detail | (edited)
VeryInsane posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Also it's not Pokemon fault that the characters they beat were so pathetic they couldn't win even with an anchor
We have seen the following-
Aeris>Hero>Rinoa
Kirby>Terra>Peach
Kefka>Zack>Ryu
Leon>Wesker>Oliver
Donkey Kong>Lightning>Falco
Tifa>Dragonborn>Yuna
And..of course,Pikachu>Sora>Blue

It's really,really not Pokemon fault that the opponents are so damn weak they can't beat even with an anchor
Using this logic of "they only won because the stronger character was LFF'D" we would have had Duke Nukem>Mario and Link winning over Isaac would be the very first upset of this contest


...No offense, but there is a big gap in power between each example you show.

Pika over Crono probably happens, as does Blue > Fox.

Mewtwo vs. Sonic and Charizard vs. Zelda are probably pretty close without Bowser or DK respectively.

It's Red vs. Vivi/Squall and Charizard vs. Mega Man that likely just don't go in pokemon's favor without that anchor. And in both of those cases, the anchor's a upper-mid/near-elite which makes the situation a little sticky.


Of course there is a big gap,I was half-serious
But things like DK>Ligthning and Kefka AND Zack>Ryu (and again,Pikachu>Sora) show that it isn't always the case
There are alot more cases like strong character being leeched by very weak character (Fawful Mario and Link Tingle) and I pointed it because I believe this is the same case with Wolf
Magus and Zero dragging down Crono and MM is huge,I admit..but Wolf? lol
And Red/Vivi/Squall wasn't supposed to happen so it's not like Allen rigged it

I believe Zero/Mega Man was indeed rigged because this is the THIRD TIME they meet each other in those contests and it's stupid
#410 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/10/2013 9:51:04 AM | message detail
Lighting Rod eh? I see what you did there.
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#411 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/10/2013 9:51:31 AM | message detail
I'll be your lightning rod of hate
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#412 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/10/2013 9:55:08 AM | message detail
OK
So Pokemon became so strong in round 2 because of Apathy Votes (which came from Draven match)
And another reason to vote Mewtwo>Draven now!
To make Pokemon weaker by making them get to the finals gogogo
#413 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:12:44 AM | message detail
If you're talking about "apathy votes" you're crediting the voting masses with way more engagement in these contests than they actually have. Most people see 3 characters and pick the one they like most, previous results or whats happening next round or what Reddit thinks of the contest doesn't factor in to who they choose.
Pokemon gives the impression of improving every round because they're non-linear with a dedicated voting base. This is why they're better in multi formats, look stronger against better opposition and don't suffer the same kind of overlap problems as characters from other series.
#414 | raginbull911 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:15:33 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lightning, I think you just put Pokedrones in logical and politically correct terms better than I've seen it. Well done!

*Edit for making 3 grammar errors in one sentence. Gross
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#415 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:16:15 AM | message detail
This just in:

100,000 Strong for Bringing Back MML3 just linked to the poll on Facebook.

More at 11.
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#416 | SubDeity | Posted 9/10/2013 10:21:57 AM | message detail
I sent them the link!
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#417 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/10/2013 10:21:58 AM | message detail
Pfft, that's all facebook could do for you, Mega Man? Link jumped like 400 votes from a facebook post.
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#418 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/10/2013 10:22:20 AM | message detail
People need to stop lumping Pikachu with the other pokemon. Hes been in these contests for over 10 years. A lot of his strength isn't even pokemon related.
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#419 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:24:09 AM | message detail
It's still early
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#420 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 9/10/2013 10:25:00 AM | message detail
Well, that update said... something.
#421 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/10/2013 10:25:33 AM | message detail | (edited)
Charizard being worth maybe 45% on this pretty-strong Megaman is an OK result

Not disappointed, really. Just shows he's not in the absolute elite, but in terms of natural strength MM is one of the best we have these days so circa 45%, maybe less, on him isn't too shabby.
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#422 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/10/2013 10:26:07 AM | message detail
dat cut
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#423 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/10/2013 10:26:43 AM | message detail
On the other hand those are two very uncomfortable updates
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#424 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/10/2013 10:27:02 AM | message detail
Looks like that Facebook rally's working a little magic! Mega Man's shot up 30 votes an update now, enough to fight the Zard!
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#425 | jtwo22 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:27:10 AM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
jtwo22 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Pikachu doesn't beat Crono without Magus, Mewtwo doesn't beat Sonic without Bowser, Charizard doesn't beat Mega Man without Zero, and Red doesn't beat Vivi without Squall.

Pokemon in general has been coasting along a sea of LFF.


Have to disagree about Mewtwo.
Mewtwo vs Sonic actually seems debatable. Bowser hurting Sonic somewhat is believable ,but It's hard to believe Bowser would have a huge impact on Sonic ,but very little on Mewtwo.
Even if Pokemon resists better.
Sonic just seems weaker and with the release of Pokemon X/Y coming closer. Mewtwo has grown stronger.


I was thinking about that match last night, and I have a theory about what happened.

See, I believe that Pokemon are lightning rods for apathy votes. They're nostalgic as hell, and the population of this website is full of people who were kids around the time that RBY came out.

Sonic and Bowser, as strong as they are, I believe to get most of their strength from apathy votes. They're old enough and mainstream enough that people vote for them when they don't care about any of the characters in the match. Which would explain why Bowser always gets steamrolled in SFF matches, and why Sonic keeps getting 70/30'd by Link, despite being one of the noble nine.

So, if we have two characters whose strength relies on apathy votes, and one character who is an apathy vote lightning rod... well it kind of explains that match pretty well, don't you think?


Doubt Mewtwo has the lightning rod ability ,but let's look at other Mewtwo contest matches from the past:

Summer 2007 Contest - Division 2 - Fourth Group
Mewtwo Division 2 Round 1 --- 3rd place, 34197 [24.95%] - Ryu, 39754 [36.30%] - Bowser, 39225 [28.62%] - Toad, 13895 [10.14%]

Mewtwo couldn't beat Bowser back then. Even with Toad in the poll.

Winter 2010 Contest - Chaos Division - 12 Seed
Chaos Round 1 --- Lost to (5) Ganondorf, 21606 [41.35%] - 30642 [58.65%]

Seems stronger ,but couldn't beat Ganon.

So. Does your apathy votes theory hold up with Mewtwo 's past matches?
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#426 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/10/2013 10:27:22 AM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
Charizard being worth maybe 45% on this pretty-strong Megaman is an OK result

Not disappointed, really. Just shows he's not in the absolute elite, but in terms of natural strength MM is one of the best we have these days so circa 45%, maybe less, on him isn't too shabby.


Zard would get 60-40'd or worse without Zero. But I don't think this result is disappointing for him, it just confirms that he is the weakest Pokemon of the 4 remaining, and those who bought into his 2010 'performances' should hang their heads in shame.
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#427 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 9/10/2013 10:27:59 AM | message detail
Interesting that Zero didn't spike from this rally as well. Probably says something about SmartVoter RallyFAQs
#428 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/10/2013 10:28:42 AM | message detail
I would die laughing if Mega Man got rallied to beat Charizard, and it somehow led to Red making the finals despite yet another situation where he should have been doomed.
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#429 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:32:15 AM | message detail
lol what is MegaMan doing
#430 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/10/2013 10:32:16 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
Zard would get 60-40'd or worse without Zero.


Well yes, if every single Zero vote went to Charizard. I'm thinking that's unlikely though.
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#431 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:33:21 AM | message detail
hahaha I DID IT I RALLIED MEGAMAN
https://www.facebook.com/GetMeOffTheMoon/posts/512261085514804

IT WONT HELP BUT I TRIED
#432 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/10/2013 10:33:42 AM | message detail
I'd peg Mega Man vs. Charizard to be 57-43 affair before anything else (rallies) happened. If you remove Squirtle's rally against Cloud, that leads to something like Mega Man>Cloud>Unrallied Squirtle/Charizard, which seems about right.
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#433 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:38:44 AM | message detail | (edited)
Whoops, I accidentally saw those Mega Man updates!

It means that he will fail in the next one!

Also, isn't it funny how Mario lost to Vivi from leeching, yet Mega Man is kind of making a match with Charizard? Sign of a Mega Man increase?

Really, just judging by the Mega Man/Zero proportion Mega Man has likely grown from the Smash announcement? Certainly Zero has not weakened based on the first two rounds.

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#434 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:36:31 AM | message detail
Things are starting to slow down
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#435 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/10/2013 10:36:55 AM | message detail
While the rally is dying down, Mega Man making consistent cuts is a good sign for his future trends.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
#436 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/10/2013 10:37:45 AM | message detail
Someone message that Nathan guy and tell him to repost that link, cause it really worked.
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#437 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 9/10/2013 10:37:51 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
I'd peg Mega Man vs. Charizard to be 57-43 affair before anything else (rallies) happened. If you remove Squirtle's rally against Cloud, that leads to something like Mega Man>Cloud>Unrallied Squirtle/Charizard, which seems about right.


Even with SSB4, something about MM>Cloud just feels so... well, wrong.
#438 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/10/2013 10:38:03 AM | message detail
Mega Man is seeing that rallying is not too easy. Even when Link got Facebook posts, the intake was only for a few updates before it disappeared.
#439 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:40:01 AM | message detail
Well hmm that was a bit underwhelming but I don't care!

Anyway,they just posted a Mighty No9 post after this rally,so with all due respect to this contest,I think they got more important news to post..so no reposting this Link

Still,we must thank them for trying
#440 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/10/2013 10:42:14 AM | message detail
Mega Man has absolutely destroyed all of Cloud's results this year. It probably wouldn't be close, honestly.
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#441 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:42:22 AM | message detail
Rally for Charizard people! Lead under 500 votes!
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#442 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:42:58 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Rally for Charizard people! Lead under 500 votes!


what no
we need Mega Man and Samus to kill each other so Red makes the final
#443 | Haste_2 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:43:28 AM | message detail
Um, no.
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#444 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/10/2013 10:43:42 AM | message detail
I'm not doing any Pokemon rallying until Mewtwo tonight to keep things fresh.
#445 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:53:23 AM | message detail
MM begins his comeback. I think it is over now. And with no rallies for Charizard too...
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#446 | abdou | Posted 9/10/2013 10:57:58 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
MM begins his comeback. I think it is over now. And with no rallies for Charizard too...


I would not be so hasty..

pokemon don't lose close matches
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#447 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/10/2013 10:58:49 AM | message detail
Charizard is the least cute pokémon besides MissingNo! And all the humans! Pikachu >>> Blue. RIP Snake v. Cloud v. Pikachu...
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#448 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 9/10/2013 10:59:42 AM | message detail
The "rally" seems to have died for now, MM has just stalled the last few updates.
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#449 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/10/2013 11:01:59 AM | message detail
I'm not doing any Pokemon rallying until Mewtwo tonight to keep things fresh.

Good, don't want people suffering from rally fatigue.
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#450 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/10/2013 11:03:22 AM | message detail
If Charizard wins again it must be a record of Pokemon winning close matches. How many will that be?
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