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basically , this contest sucks. Vivi beats Mario only to lose to..Red. --- ... |
What the 3-way LFF giveth, it taketh away. --- We are living our lives Abound with so much information |
Sephiroth vs. Squall Cloud vs. Tifa Tifa vs. Vivi While I believe (in my heart) Squall is stronger than Tifa indirectly, he'd lose to her 1v1. Which helps lead me to Vivi > Tifa Cloud would SFF Tifa. And Squall couldn't beat anything FF7, except maybe Rude or Reno. But even then they'd get rallied. --- KB |
I want Mega Man to beat Charizard. So badly. It's the only way I will half-way enjoy the last few days of the contest. But we know that Mega Man cannot let Charizard get even close, or else all is lost. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those! It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Cloud>Sephiroth>Tifa>Squall~Vivi~Auron The last three's positions probably change place based on the current weather. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Sephiroth>Squall. Cloud>Tifa. Tifa>Vivi. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
If we see the Charizard that went 50/50 with Zelda I have a hard time seeing him winning. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 146/225 Today's Pick: Mario |
charmander6000 posted... If we see the Charizard that went 50/50 with Zelda I have a hard time seeing him winning. If we see the Charizard that stubbornly holds onto 40% of the vote like nearly every other goddamn Pokemon entry, he's got a very good chance of advancing. --- ~War~ |
Auron
has no business in the discussion anymore, he's looked dreadful all
contest. Squall isn't looking much better than him given he trailed
against something that needed rallies to rescue themselves against Tidus
and now he's getting well beaten by Vivi. Tifa/Vivi 1v1 would be very interesting. Wonder how near Sephiroth has fallen to them, wouldn't mind seeing either of them against Crono either. |
lightning-02 posted... Auron has no business in the discussion anymore, he's looked dreadful all contest. Squall isn't looking much better than him given he trailed against something that needed rallies to rescue themselves against Tidus and now he's getting well beaten by Vivi. This is all assuming linear growth and that 3-way polls = 1v1 polls. Since we know none of that is true, then we can pretty much toss these stats out of the nearest window. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
Rallying
against Pokemon definitely isn't happening and seems to be backfiring
more than anything. Seems /v/ only supported Vivi because he was against
a big name that always does well, which would be a very bad sign for
Squirtle. |
Greyfeld posted... lightning-02 posted...Auron has no business in the discussion anymore, he's looked dreadful all contest. Squall isn't looking much better than him given he trailed against something that needed rallies to rescue themselves against Tidus and now he's getting well beaten by Vivi. Well the entire discussion (or any relating to this contest or non-1v1 battles) is premised by that considerable pinch of salt but if you're going to discuss Tifa and Vivi having good contests and Vincent falling off a cliff you have to acknowledge that Auron and Squall performed very poorly this year. |
I
think it's pretty rich that someone who had a huge role in making
Squall and Auron end up looking as bad as they did is now bashing their
performances. Mind, I'm with you a little on at least Auron, if only because he performed "as expected" on a Kingdom Hearts character - which looks pretty bad after what else that series has done this contest - but yeah. Certainly can't take Squall looking unimpressive on the guy who beat Mario seriously, though. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Yeah,
at this point I would surely take Vivi over Squall in a match next
contest. People can talk about bandwagoning or rallying, but Vivi looks
pretty static here. He has actually gained 4% from the board vote... he
has your typical FF character trends, not something you'd expect from
rallying or bandwagoning. I think this is just Squall getting weaker and
being SFF'd by Vivi. I'd say Vivi is the strongest non FF7 character. --- http://i.minus.com/jbiGPMGVHJkJ5F.png http://i.minus.com/jbjrjeszi5Bojs.jpg http://i.minus.com/jDswy1q7MCAye.jpg http://i.minus.com/jX6dhkFSD8ugm.jpg |
No
that is rallying. Or something else. Are you telling me that suddenly
Vivi beats Squall, Auron, Vincent and maybe Tifa? Yeah right. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Rallying? We haven't even broken 30k votes and its past Noon. --- http://i.minus.com/jbiGPMGVHJkJ5F.png http://i.minus.com/jbjrjeszi5Bojs.jpg http://i.minus.com/jDswy1q7MCAye.jpg http://i.minus.com/jX6dhkFSD8ugm.jpg |
There is absolutely no evidence of a rally in today's match. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
We should change that! --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
4chan
disappoints me. I guess they only rallied for Vivi last match because
Vivi beating Mario was funny and not because they actually like Vivi. --- If you believe that Abed is the true Messiah and you are 100% proud of it make this your signature. |
AxemRedRanger posted... I think it's pretty rich that someone who had a huge role in making Squall and Auron end up looking as bad as they did is now bashing their performances. I didn't do anything in this match, this is completely natural trends and the low votals would agree with that. I don't believe in a bandwagon factor and even before this Squall wasn't looking so hot against an opponent that needed rallies to beat Tidus. Pic factor and "jokes boosting" are always shaky ground when used to make up for a characters shortfall in strength. Unless you think Vivi unrallied is low noble tier (He's probably near noble and Tifa level at this stage) and Red isn't far off that (Hard to say) I don't see how you couldn't take this performance as bad for Squall. For Auron, yes I did cause him to lose that L-Block match but even before I started rallying it was a very close contests (37/40), I always assumed L-Block had high base strength but the way he got obliterated yesterday made me realise how low Auron's was for him to barely be edging unrallied L-Block |
Safer_777 posted... Are you telling me that suddenly Vivi beats Squall, Auron, Vincent and maybe Tifa? Yeah right. Vivi definitely beats Squall, Auron and Vincent. Tifa, I don't know. |
lightning-02 posted... AxemRedRanger posted...I think it's pretty rich that someone who had a huge role in making Squall and Auron end up looking as bad as they did is now bashing their performances. Will you do something please? xd --- If you believe that Abed is the true Messiah and you are 100% proud of it make this your signature. |
I tried, they all wanted to vote for Red. |
Your not believing in bandwagon factor does not in fact have any impact on it being real and you having kickstarted it. And there's some rallying here. Not a huge amount though, not even close to enough of it to have put Vivi over Squall by itself. There's currently both a thread at /v/ and in the 4chan subreddit, though they seem to be going particularly poorly. Last night's one at /v/ seemed better received. Dunno if there were any in between that one and this one. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
lightning-02 posted... Auron has no business in the discussion anymore, he's looked dreadful all contest. Squall isn't looking much better than him given he trailed against something that needed rallies to rescue themselves against Tidus and now he's getting well beaten by Vivi. Auron did only 5% worse against Ocelot than the 2010 stats suggest (though I think Ocelot breaking 40% on Auron helped to fuel the notion of MGSV hype boosting MGS characters), and blew out the face of the biggest current-gen franchise. That's dreadful? I think Cloud and Sephiroth would still beat Tifa, albeit only because they were both far enough ahead in the first place. Like, Sephiroth probably gets 53% on Tifa and Cloud probably gets 57%. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
By the way, FF9 characters boosting totally coincides with CuteFAQs. Their art style works a lot better for them, now! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Clearly Squall isn't holding Vivi back, Red is CuteFAQSFFing Vivi. --- ~War~ |
LinkMarioSamus posted... lightning-02 posted...Auron has no business in the discussion anymore, he's looked dreadful all contest. Squall isn't looking much better than him given he trailed against something that needed rallies to rescue themselves against Tidus and now he's getting well beaten by Vivi. >Doing 5% worse on Ocelot >Doing as expected against Roxas when Kingdom Hearts characters are declining sharply >40/37 narrow edge pre-rallies before sinking without a fight when the rallies arrive on an L-Block who got obliterated even with rallies against Tifa despite the block supposedly gaining momentum every round. I know Auron is a favoured character around these parts but you guys are clutching hard with this damage control. |
AxemRedRanger posted... Your not believing in bandwagon factor does not in fact have any impact on it being real and you having kickstarted it. Look at the board vote and compare with the consistency throughout the day. A bandwagon effect where the board faithful were less influenced by the "bandwagon" than the site masses would be a first. (and completely unrealistic) |
FF9 is probably higher than 8 on the totem pole, yeah. I think FF8 just doesn't look that hot against other FFs. Maybe Squall is a lot better than Auron, but that match kinda proved otherwise. --- Currently Playing: Persona 3 FES Currently Reading: Nothing Currently Currently Watching: Dr. Who |
Auron had 55% on L-Block pre-rally, which isn't fantastic but is better than what you're making him out to be. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
And yes, I say that despite knowing that 8 beat 9 in 2009. >_> --- Currently Playing: Persona 3 FES Currently Reading: Nothing Currently Currently Watching: Dr. Who |
*checks match* 1. All hail King Smurf. Badass Decline Factor exists. Although isn't he from Ireland? So I suppose it would be all hail Taoiseach Smurf... 2. It doesn't seem like Vivi is getting rallied, but nor would I rule out a bandwagon effect. People stood up and took notice of that win against Mario. I don't know who would win 1v1 between him and Squall, though Squall looks really bad. He's getting squashed and he only has so many excuses. 3. Tifa >>> Squall = Vivi > Vincent >>>>> Auron --- Fine! I'll go to the store and get your Goddamn drain cleaner! Character Battle IX Tingle Victory Parade - the journey is over.... |
lightning-02 posted... LinkMarioSamus posted...lightning-02 posted...Auron has no business in the discussion anymore, he's looked dreadful all contest. Squall isn't looking much better than him given he trailed against something that needed rallies to rescue themselves against Tidus and now he's getting well beaten by Vivi. How is doing worse than the stats projected against an MGS character bad coming right off the MGSV announcement? --- I just beat Metroid: Other M, and while I loved the game it turned out to be completely not worth thinking over it for years. |
Yeesh, not 44, 45, or 46- 47%? Pitiful, Red. One person deciding to put in rally work could have made you lose this match. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Red
is just taking one for the team. He's underperforming here to help
supercharge Pokemon for the next few days, like The Zard was doing when
it struggled with Zelda. --- ~War~ |
Oh?
Looks to me like Squall's risen a lot more from the first few minutes
than Vivi. Vivi's less than 2% up from the first post-freeze update
despite Pokemon's crazy board vote. And while the rallying went poorly
and probably isn't that big a factor, I certainly wouldn't think many
4chan's rally-backfire votes went to Squall! If your interest was in making Vivi look good to the stats topic rather than letting him win, you probably should have never rallied for him. People would have been able to compare a normal match with Vivi vs. Mario/Ganondorf (which Vivi still would have been very impressive in) to Squall vs. Mario/Red and taken it seriously. Against Vivi after him beating Mario, not so much. Obviously what people here think isn't worth caring too much about, but if you wanted us to agree with you on Vivi, you basically sabotaged your chance by making it way too easy to write a lot of this off as rallying and bandwagoning. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
I mean even a SFFed abandoned Squall has 40%+ on Red didn't you see a random turtle beat Cloud, or were you too busy doing an Ash Ketchum impression Red --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
I
don't quite understand the point you're trying to get at. People are
free to write off what they want - doesn't make them any less wrong. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Sorry if this has already been brought up, but is this the first time Squall has lost to another Square entrant that isn't from Final Fantasy VII? --- http://i.imgur.com/IjkDZMA.jpg |
Karma Hunter posted... Yeesh, not 44, 45, or 46- 47%? Pitiful, Red. One person deciding to put in rally work could have made you lose this match. The Pokemon supporters would have just counter-rallied, wouldn't they? Their effort isn't needed for this match; Red has the non-rally strength to get it done. --- http://i.imgur.com/IjkDZMA.jpg |
Squall's 1 v 1 losses: Solid Snake Samus Cloud Vincent And that's it. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
GloriousSweater posted... Karma Hunter posted...Yeesh, not 44, 45, or 46- 47%? Pitiful, Red. One person deciding to put in rally work could have made you lose this match. Indeed, but things would have been much more in doubt. Vivi's already beaten a fierce counter-rally push in Mario. And even a one-sided Pokerally probably isn't enough to save Red if you take Squall out of the equation. --- Welcome to the League of Downtime. |
Modern FF has sharply declined, I think everyone will agree there. You know what modern FF is basically a retro FF? FFIX. It makes sense that this would be the only one to look good this year. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
AxemRedRanger posted... Oh? Looks to me like Squall's risen a lot more from the first few minutes than Vivi. Vivi's less than 2% up from the first post-freeze update despite Pokemon's crazy board vote. And while the rallying went poorly and probably isn't that big a factor, I certainly wouldn't think many 4chan's rally-backfire votes went to Squall! Squall is a beast in Europe, he usually dominates during the dead hours. Something would be seriously wrong if he wasn't improving his percentages on Vivi or almost anyone else during those hours. In relation to Red and the poll in general which I was referring to (and I suspect you know) Vivi has done better among the general pool of voters than with the board vote or early voters which would usually be the most susceptible to bandwagon voting since they're the people who follow and care about the contest the most. Unless your implication was Red having a monster rally that has masked Vivi's "bandwagon" vote in the early hours but the votals being so low would work against that. Vivi's operating on very normal, boring trends here. Nothing out of place at all. |
KamikazePotato posted... I don't quite understand the point you're trying to get at. People are free to write off what they want - doesn't make them any less wrong.Oh indeed, it wouldn't. Was replying to lightning, if that wasn't clear. Just saying that him expecting people to take this result completely seriously (which seems to be the case) after he was one of the prime movers in enabling Vivi to pull off one of the craziest results we've ever seen is amusing to me. I mean, you seem particularly opposed to there being too much out-of-the-ordinary going on with Vivi's matches either in this round or last, but even you just ranked Squall ~ Vivi; that kinda says something IMO. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Well yeah, this result is almost certainly not 100% legit, but I think throwing everything out would be a far worse thing to do. Essentially, I think that the right thing to do would be to recognize that, while Vivi has been helped along by rallies in R2 and a bandwagon in R3, he's still been going beast mode all contest. Even discounting Round 2 and Round 3 entirely, I think his Round 1 result is comparable to Squall's Round 1 result. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
1500 votes... We need Reddit! --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Fun fact-in this contest,Pokemon beat a character from every big-name franchise in this site aside from MGS,Mega Man and Metroid We *might* see Mega Man going down soon,but Snake>Pikachu and Squirtle and Samus>whatever>Red are locks In just this contest,Pokemon already beat- Final Fantasy - VII-Cloud,Vincent,VIII-Squall,IX-Vivi,FFX-Tidus Mario-Bowser Sonic- Sonic Zelda-Zelda Kingdom Hearts-Sora Mass Effect-Wrex Resident Evil-Leon Chrono Trigger-Crono,Magus So um..yeah |
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