Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1163

#151 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:51:08 PM | message detail
It's a flop if you have any expectations for Red to be anything other than a decent midcarder, and I don't think he is.
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#152 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/8/2013 9:51:30 PM | message detail
Charizard beating Samus is not completely out of the question after Pikachu beat Sora. Samus is more challenging, but I think Red would fold more than Blue.
#153 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2013 9:51:55 PM | message detail
Unlike Blue I see no reason for Red to hold up even a bit against a Pokemon, especially one like Charizard.
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#154 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:52:01 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
Charizard beating Samus is not completely out of the question after Pikachu beat Sora. Samus is more challenging, but I think Red would fold more than Blue.


The key difference is that Pikachu is stronger than Sora naturally.

Probably not the case in Charizard/Samus.
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#155 | Xuxon | Posted 9/8/2013 9:52:21 PM | message detail
why is everyone counting out Mega Man? he looked like a freaking beast last round and Charizard performed below expectations.
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#156 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:52:46 PM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
why is everyone counting out Mega Man? he looked like a freaking beast last round and Charizard performed below expectations.


Because Zero won't fold.

I'm even doing my part and voting for Zero.
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#157 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 9:53:14 PM | message detail
Zard would lose easily to Samus even without Red there.

I don't think Red will even hurt him that much, just like I postulated prior to the Sora/Pikachu/Blue match, I believe that Pokemon is the most LFF resistant entity we have.

Because their power base is broader than anything else's save Zelda, and for characters they are essentially #1 in terms of power base as Zelda only has 3 characters worth a s*** while Pokemon has like 8 elite or near elite entrants.

Zelda's broad power base would manifest better in a games contest.
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#158 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2013 9:53:15 PM | message detail
Probably not the case in Charizard/Samus.

Charizard > Squirtle, Cloud > Tifa

Not too hard to make a case

>_>
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#159 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/8/2013 9:54:06 PM | message detail | (edited)
Well, the other key difference is that all three are Nintendo and it'll probably be easier to shift all their natural strengths because of that. It's not like the Nintendo fanbase could magically make Sora weaker, but they could do that with Samus. RFF and all.
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#160 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 9:53:24 PM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
why is everyone counting out Mega Man? he looked like a freaking beast last round and Charizard performed below expectations.


'why is everyone counting out a leeched character in a match against a Pokemon' you ask
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#161 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2013 9:53:37 PM | message detail
So is anyone else think Mewtwo wins the contest at this point?

Draven/Mewtwo/Sephiroth. If reddit threads and such are being deleted, then Mewtwo wins easily. He's dominated all of his matches.

Snake and Samus win due to LFF.

Final is Mewtwo/Snake/Samus. Mewtwo wins due to a plucky rally and Snake/Samus leeching each other by virtue of not being Pokemon.
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#162 | swordz9 | Posted 9/8/2013 9:53:43 PM | message detail
Zero's not going to be squashed, welcome to the Pokemon League, rallyfaqs, etc.
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#163 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:54:27 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
Well, the other key difference is that all three are Nintendo and it'll probably be easier to shift all their natural strengths because of that. It's not like the Nintendo fanbase could magically make Sora weaker, but they could do that with Samus. RFF and all.


So you're saying Charizard will do a role reversal from his match against Zelda?
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#164 | pjbasis | Posted 9/8/2013 9:54:43 PM | message detail
Sephiroth winning the contest would be great

I would hate the extha gloating after this squall performance, but it would still be great
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#165 | Lopen | Posted 9/8/2013 9:54:44 PM | message detail
I don't think Mewtwo beats Sephiroth easily at all. I can only respect Mewtwo as so strong when you look at Phoenix Wright.
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#166 | Janus5000 | Posted 9/8/2013 9:55:14 PM | message detail
can't wait for Mewtwo to quadruple unrallied Draven

Link Fodder Line let's get it
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#167 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:55:40 PM | message detail
Sephiroth winning the contest would be surreal if it happened.

Like, I can't even wrap my mind around that possibility.
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#168 | pjbasis | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:09 PM | message detail
Especially after the Draven rallying and breaking the LAW, all the steroid pokemon rocking elites left and right, Vivi taking down freaking mario... and FFVII always wins
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#169 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:10 PM | message detail
After what Squirtle did, there is basically a 0% chance that Sephiroth beats Mewtwo. The internet won't let that happen.
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#170 | swordz9 | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:20 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
I don't think Mewtwo beats Sephiroth easily at all. I can only respect Mewtwo as so strong when you look at Phoenix Wright.

Thing is though Mewtwo is going to be devouring anti-FF7 votes on top of anti-Draven votes. Mewtwo's going to be rallied too so I think he definitely beats Sephiroth.
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#171 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:22 PM | message detail
I doubt LoL fans allow Draven to lose, and he's got so much wiggle room. Link put up a valiant effort, but Draven still won despite less support than he got in R2 - he's that insanely strong. His supporters hunger for the title now and they've only had to wait a week since his match with Link - even less waiting time than between Draven's R2 and R3 matches.

If Mewtwo beats him anyway, then he'll probably have to deal with either Samus or Charizard in the finals... and yeah I don't see Snake dropping that.
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#172 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:34 PM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
why is everyone counting out Mega Man? he looked like a freaking beast last round and Charizard performed below expectations.

If you do the math it is almost impossible for Charizard to lose that match.

The Mega Man/Zero overlap will be ridiculously high, almost all of Zero's votes will be leeched straight from MM.

Zard would threaten Mario for turd of the contest if he lost that.
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#173 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:42 PM | message detail
Either way, Charizard actually has to win first. I don't think his match is at all secure yet if Zero gives way for Mega Man.
#174 | Kyle Bowen | Posted 9/8/2013 9:56:44 PM | message detail
How much sleep will I get if I vow not to go to bed until Squall gets one cut against Vivi?
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#175 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 9/8/2013 9:57:06 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
If reddit threads and such are being deleted, then Mewtwo wins easily. He's dominated all of his matches.


I doubt that's anything more than wishful thinking on our part. Plus they said the same thing during the Link battle, and the users found ways around it pretty easily.
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#176 | pjbasis | Posted 9/8/2013 9:57:26 PM | message detail
Alternatively, Snake winning the contest would be hilariously ironic
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#177 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2013 9:57:28 PM | message detail
Snake will overlap with Samus more than Samus overlaps with Mewtwo. Pokemon has proven itself to be almost entirely immune to LFF, except when faced with other Pokemon.
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#178 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:57:38 PM | message detail
Kyle Bowen posted...
How much sleep will I get if I vow not to go to bed until Squall gets one cut against Vivi?


When do you have to get up?
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#179 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/8/2013 9:58:18 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Snake will overlap with Samus more than Samus overlaps with Mewtwo. Pokemon has proven itself to be almost entirely immune to LFF, except when faced with other Pokemon.


or something from LoZ >_>
#180 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 9:59:10 PM | message detail
Snake and Samus overlap is way overblown. It's not going to be any more significant than Samus/Mewtwo overlap will be.
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#181 | Kyle Bowen | Posted 9/8/2013 9:59:41 PM | message detail
9am EST.
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#182 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 9/8/2013 9:59:42 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
Either way, Charizard actually has to win first. I don't think his match is at all secure yet if Zero gives way for Mega Man.


If memory serves correctly, Zero holds up to LFF better than any other secondary character. Maybe Tifa against Cloud/Seph would be comparable, I suppose.
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#183 | Lopen | Posted 9/8/2013 9:59:52 PM | message detail
Meh. I think Seph and Cloud are probably about equal now and Mewtwo is likely weaker than Squirtle based on how previous rounds have gone. I think even with normal Pokemon sized rallies-- as the match actually goes though I could see a frantic Mewtwo push to combat Reddit putting him over Seph-- but assuming no Reddit rally it doesn't go into overdrive and Seph wins by about as much as he beat Kirby by.
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#184 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2013 10:00:02 PM | message detail
Samus/Snake don't overlap much, if at all.

But they're not Pokemon. Pokemon is basically a third entity to every poll. Snake and Samus overlap more by virtue of not being Pokemon.
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#185 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/8/2013 10:00:04 PM | message detail
Sephiroth may take second from Mewtwo but he will have a hard time taking first even if Draven bombs. Mewtwo will have much higher rally power when aiming for first instead of second.
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#186 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 10:00:25 PM | message detail
Kyle Bowen posted...
9am EST.


Then probably 4-5 hours if you're lucky.
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#187 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 10:00:34 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
So is anyone else think Mewtwo wins the contest at this point?

Draven/Mewtwo/Sephiroth. If reddit threads and such are being deleted, then Mewtwo wins easily. He's dominated all of his matches.

Snake and Samus win due to LFF.

Final is Mewtwo/Snake/Samus. Mewtwo wins due to a plucky rally and Snake/Samus leeching each other by virtue of not being Pokemon.

You are overrating Mewtwo. If Bowser was not there he loses to Sonic 1v1. Look at how Phoenix is projected to thrash Bowser - it's extremely obvious Bowser and Sonic killed each other. And Sonic is probably the weakest NNer, so being weaker than him is not impressive.

Mewtwo can beat Seph, but not Snake or Samus. if he beats Draven it will almost surely be due to Draven's rallying strength falling off the map due to Reddit rules or something, rather than a Mewtwo show of strength.
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#188 | Xuxon | Posted 9/8/2013 10:00:51 PM | message detail
From: creativename | Posted: 9/9/2013 12:56:34 AM | #172
Xuxon posted...
why is everyone counting out Mega Man? he looked like a freaking beast last round and Charizard performed below expectations.

If you do the math it is almost impossible for Charizard to lose that match.

The Mega Man/Zero overlap will be ridiculously high, almost all of Zero's votes will be leeched straight from MM.

Zard would threaten Mario for turd of the contest if he lost that.

it's when i do the math that it seems possible for Mega Man to win. if you take the round 2 matches at face value, Zard's getting under 40% 1v1, maybe as low as 37%.
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#189 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 10:01:13 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Samus/Snake don't overlap much, if at all.

But they're not Pokemon. Pokemon is basically a third entity to every poll. Snake and Samus overlap more by virtue of not being Pokemon.


Snake/Samus split the Non-Drone LFF, makes sense.
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#190 | Dabrikishaw15 | Posted 9/8/2013 10:01:23 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Yeah, Red's final margin of victory here is irrelevant. He's sabotaging Charizard next round against Samus one way or the other, so it doesn't really matter.

Didn't stop Pikachu from winning over Sora

>_>


That's different
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#191 | tennisboy213 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 10:03:24 PM | message detail
A Vivi cut
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#192 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2013 10:03:26 PM | message detail
#193 | Lopen | Posted 9/8/2013 10:03:59 PM | message detail
VIVI

YOU CAN DO THIS
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#194 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2013 10:04:10 PM | message detail
VIVI
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#195 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/8/2013 10:04:37 PM | message detail
NOW WE HAVE A MATCH

You know, I kinda want Mega Man to beat Charizard just so Pokemon Trainer Red could beat two Noble 9ers in one match.
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#196 | jacko_vdz | Posted 9/8/2013 10:04:40 PM | message detail
Dat clockwork.
#197 | pjbasis | Posted 9/8/2013 10:06:02 PM | message detail
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#198 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 10:06:25 PM | message detail
And this is still with Vivi dipping very little into his rally potential! Not a single thing on /b/ or r/4chan yet.
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#199 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 10:06:51 PM | message detail
Snake/Samus overlapping enough for Mewtwo to win?

I've said many times Pokemon is the most independent entity, and can boost in multi-ways from "non-Pokemon LFF", but come on. Very little chance Mewtwo finish anywhere but 3rd there.

i mean do people really think Snake or Samus would only 60/40 Phoenix? And Snake/Samus overlap would really not be that significant. MGS and Nintendo are pretty independent from each other themselves.

Also Snake and Samus are not FF7, they would not be easy to rally or bandwagon against.

LeonhartFour posted...
Sephiroth winning the contest would be surreal if it happened.

Like, I can't even wrap my mind around that possibility.

That would pretty much be the most shocking result we could get at this point.

Even in a contest full of upsets, I can't conceive of that happening.
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#200 | Qwaar | Posted 9/8/2013 10:07:03 PM | message detail
Vivi better not win this.
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