Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1162

#301 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/8/2013 1:00:49 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
5 out of the final 9 are going to be from pokemon. WTF happened to this contest?

3-ways... we need some sort of summary in the first post of every stats topic that's like here are the ramifications of 3-ways RallyFAQs contests, here's who benefits, etc.
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#302 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/8/2013 1:00:52 PM | message detail
Not only is having 5 pokemon in the final 9 ridiculous it also makes 2 of the matches completely pointless. The other match is also pointless because it involves Draven so we are 3/3 for terrible final 9 matches.

Is anyone even enjoying this? I remember some guys were hailing rallying as the greatest thing ever earlier on but LOOK AT THE CONTEST NOW. Pokemon, pokemon, pokemon and freaking Draven
#303 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/8/2013 1:02:45 PM | message detail
Best case scenario: Mewtwo outrallies Draven but gets no rallies in the finals, while Snake and Samus take advantage of Pokemon splits. Then Mewtwo and Samus split Nintendo votes and give Snake the win in the finals.

The my bracket winner will be correct! And Samus winning, while she's my favorite character, wouldn't really make much sense.
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#304 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/8/2013 1:03:43 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Best case scenario: Mewtwo outrallies Draven but gets no rallies in the finals, while Snake and Samus take advantage of Pokemon splits. Then Mewtwo and Samus split Nintendo votes and give Snake the win in the finals.

The my bracket winner will be correct! And Samus winning, while she's my favorite character, wouldn't really make much sense.


If Mewtwo gets to the final there is only going to be one winner and its not Snake
#305 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:04:15 PM | message detail
Just wait until we get the Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard final

Who will be our plucky underdog then?
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#306 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:08:01 PM | message detail
i think the # 1 and #2 of the final should meet 1v1 similar to games contest and character battle few years ago.
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#307 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/8/2013 1:08:38 PM | message detail
We're more likely to get a Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard bonus match than having them in the finals.
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#308 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/8/2013 1:08:39 PM | message detail
So our final 9 of rallyfaqs is going to be

Draven
Mewtwo
Sephritoth

Snake
Squirtle
Pikachu

Samus
Red
Charizard


It could of been

Link
Sonic
Sephiroth

Snake
Cloud
Sora

Samus
Mario
Mega Man

I know which one is more interesting to me.
#309 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/8/2013 1:11:09 PM | message detail | (edited)
-LusterSoldier- posted...
We're more likely to get a Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard bonus match than having them in the finals.


Oh my god no. No more pokemon. If we have a pokemon bonus match as well as having them in every match left I think I will go insane.

Also I actually like the pokemon games so I cant imagine how horrible this contest must be for someone who doesn't
#310 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 1:19:34 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
We're more likely to get a Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard bonus match than having them in the finals.


Oh my god no. No more pokemon. If we have a pokemon bonus match as well as having them in every match left I think I will go insane.

Also I actually like the pokemon games so I cant imagine how horrible this contest must be for someone who doesn't


Hey we're being pretty good sports about it for the most part!

Also if we get a Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard 4th place bonus match the finals will have zero Pokemon in it.
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#311 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/8/2013 1:21:26 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
So our final 9 of rallyfaqs is going to be

Draven
Mewtwo
Sephritoth

Snake
Squirtle
Pikachu

Samus
Red
Charizard


It could of been

Link
Sonic
Sephiroth

Snake
Cloud
Sora

Samus
Mario
Mega Man

I know which one is more interesting to me.


a) Charizard was winning that match either way
b) Link/Mario/Cloud was probably the best possible final we could have gotten, and is far better than "lol fanbois strike again!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneoneone"
c) Cloud/Snake/Pikachu would have been a barnburner, instead we get Snake roflstomping 2 Pokemon
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#312 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:24:37 PM | message detail
Mewtwo and Pikachu weren't rallied. Bowser hurt Sonic and Sora/KH have just been terrible this year.
#313 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:26:09 PM | message detail
In this situation Samus and Snake reach the finals. But for the first match? I am not so sure. Yeah Draven is the heavy favorite but I wouldn't count Mewtwo out. And if Mewtwo is in the final match then Snake wins for sure because of Nintendo split. Still crazy contest.
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#314 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/8/2013 1:26:11 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
Oh my god no. No more pokemon. If we have a pokemon bonus match as well as having them in every match left I think I will go insane.


I really do not want to have an all-Pokemon bonus match. If possible, we should try to talk Bacon into giving us Link/Snake/Mario as the bonus match, because we would have gotten that if not for Draven and the Vivi upset. If he won't give us Link/Snake/Mario because Snake hasn't been eliminated yet, we should try to get Link/Cloud/Mario or some other kind of bonus match.
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#315 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:27:16 PM | message detail
Link
Sonic
Sephiroth

Snake
Cloud
Sora

Samus
Mario
Mega Man


Link - 47%
Sephiroth - 35%
Sonic- 18%

Snake - 39%
Cloud- 37%
Sora - 24%

Samus - 27%
Mario - 47%
Megaman - 26%
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#316 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:30:55 PM | message detail
So the final would be Link-Mario-Snake. Who you got there? I know the right answer is Snake but could he do it? I guess we will never find out except if it is a bonus poll or something.
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#317 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/8/2013 1:32:15 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
So our final 9 of rallyfaqs is going to be

Draven
Mewtwo
Sephritoth

Snake
Squirtle
Pikachu

Samus
Red
Charizard


It could of been

Link
Sonic
Sephiroth

Snake
Cloud
Sora

Samus
Mario
Mega Man

I know which one is more interesting to me.

RallyFAQs didn't cause Pikachu > Sora, look at the votals. Mewtwo > Sonic is ambiguous as well. Charizard > MM, if it happens, isn't necessarily rallied - it's just how things work in 3-ways and this bracket. The obvious recipients of rallies are Vivi, Draven, L-Block, and Squirtle.
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#318 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:33:14 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Fr0zoN posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
We're more likely to get a Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard bonus match than having them in the finals.


Oh my god no. No more pokemon. If we have a pokemon bonus match as well as having them in every match left I think I will go insane.

Also I actually like the pokemon games so I cant imagine how horrible this contest must be for someone who doesn't


Hey we're being pretty good sports about it for the most part!

Also if we get a Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard 4th place bonus match the finals will have zero Pokemon in it.


Which is good. Pokemon have proven to be of good strength with rallies. But they aren't top 3 material.
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#319 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/8/2013 1:38:52 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
So our final 9 of rallyfaqs is going to be

Draven
Mewtwo
Sephritoth

Snake
Squirtle
Pikachu

Samus
Red
Charizard


It could of been

Link
Sonic
Sephiroth

Snake
Cloud
Sora

Samus
Mario
Mega Man

I know which one is more interesting to me.


The "could have been" one isn't very good. Link wins (by a lot), Snake wins - and Snake does win that easily. Snake > Cloud should no longer be in real debate and Sora would sap some of Cloud's strength anyway. Mario wins. Now, that last match becomes more interesting if you righteously put Charizard in there, because Samus/Mario/Zard is actually in debate even with Zard's poor performance against Zelda. But you didn't.

At least Draven/Mewtwo/Seph has the vague possibility of Mewtwo doing something, though admittedly Pokemon LFFing itself into the ground two days running won't be too fun.

I'm not sure there was any realistic final 9 that was ever going to be super interesting, or have 3 interesting matches.
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#320 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/8/2013 1:39:25 PM | message detail
Hey we're being pretty good sports about it for the most part!

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#321 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:39:47 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So the final would be Link-Mario-Snake. Who you got there? I know the right answer is Snake but could he do it? I guess we will never find out except if it is a bonus poll or something.


Snake if Draven never existed. Link otherwise. In fact I think he might break 50% in that match against Seph so I'd take him to get a decent % in the final. Mario would be made to look like the fodder he is though. The eurphoria of him beating Draven would be too much for him to lose to anyone in any format. Imagine he won on Monday. His next match would be INSANE.
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#322 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:40:14 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Best case scenario: Mewtwo outrallies Draven but gets no rallies in the finals, while Snake and Samus take advantage of Pokemon splits. Then Mewtwo and Samus split Nintendo votes and give Snake the win in the finals.

The my bracket winner will be correct! And Samus winning, while she's my favorite character, wouldn't really make much sense.


This is my masterplan that no one seems to understand!!!
Everyone is just afraid that if Mewtwo beats Draven he will catch such a giant bandwagon that will let him win the finals easily
This is simply not true

We just need...to stop this madness..X failed in doing it
And Link (DOWNTIME SORRY) failed to do it as well...now it's up to the combined force of POKEFEAR and Link fangirls to save the contest from the biggest villain it ever faced

Then the contest can return to normal (for the..three remaining rounds!!)
Snake>Squirtle>Pikachu
Samus>Charizard>Red
Snake>Samus>Mewtwo

Good ending for everyone,board 8 favorite character Snake will be the champion and Mewtwo will be the hailed as the hero that beat Draven
All is well,everyone happy,everyone wins,Snake Samus and Mewtwo are above Draven in the xstats,credibility restored,the future of contests look bright and reddit invaders are running away in shame
#323 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/8/2013 1:47:56 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
Snake > Cloud should no longer be in real debate

I still find it sad that the stats topic has somehow hiveminded into this notion solely on the back of LOL 3-ways results. Due to MGS5, I'd give Snake the edge in any future contests but to say the result is undoubtedly no longer in debate? Please.
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#324 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:50:09 PM | message detail
#325 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 1:52:26 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
Hey we're being pretty good sports about it for the most part!

*spits out water*


spoilers no one cares about XiC's opinion, ever
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#326 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/8/2013 1:54:03 PM | message detail
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Man..what happened to you Fox?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1306


Fox is essentially a Smash Bros. character for purposes of strength in these.
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#327 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/8/2013 1:54:31 PM | message detail
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Man..what happened to you Fox?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1306

Reframe:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Pikachu%27s_Contest_History

54.41% on PaRappa the Rapper to 44.80% on Solid Snake.
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#328 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 1:54:31 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Snake > Cloud should no longer be in real debate

I still find it sad that the stats topic has somehow hiveminded into this notion solely on the back of LOL 3-ways results. Due to MGS5, I'd give Snake the edge in any future contests but to say the result is undoubtedly no longer in debate? Please.


I don't think this opinion is really a hiveminding based on 3-ways. Snake > Cloud was the Guru cookie.

There's always some doubt because lol multiways, but Snake should be favored I think.
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#329 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:54:32 PM | message detail
You know,I still can't believe that after 117 matches,we never had something close to 33-33-33
Sure,having 3 characters that are in the same strength is alot more rare than 2 characters,but after 117 matches I think the odds should be good enough to have at least 2 matches like this

But instead..the winner that came the closest to the third place was Ike to Robotnik,and it was 6.87% more..with a lead of 2114
#330 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:55:38 PM | message detail
I miss those days. I still remember that Mario/Cloud aka Sunshine Week. Was amazing. High votals. Epic battles, no bias or ridiculous rallies.
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#331 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 1:56:17 PM | message detail
Why people still think Pikachu/Snake match was legit
Even I admit Pikachu had massive picture advantage!!

...But..if I were to do an oracle about 2013 Pikachu against 2013 Snake,this is exactly what I would give Pikachu on him...
#332 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 1:56:51 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
You know,I still can't believe that after 117 matches,we never had something close to 33-33-33
Sure,having 3 characters that are in the same strength is alot more rare than 2 characters,but after 117 matches I think the odds should be good enough to have at least 2 matches like this

But instead..the winner that came the closest to the third place was Ike to Robotnik,and it was 6.87% more..with a lead of 2114


Wrex Pit and Cecil was close for a while before Wrex stomped.
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#333 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 1:59:00 PM | message detail
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.
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#334 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 2:00:48 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


The fact that he is empowered by Draven anti votes? something that he will never have in the finals?
#335 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/8/2013 2:00:55 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Snake > Cloud should no longer be in real debate

I still find it sad that the stats topic has somehow hiveminded into this notion solely on the back of LOL 3-ways results. Due to MGS5, I'd give Snake the edge in any future contests but to say the result is undoubtedly no longer in debate? Please.


Maybe it was a little strong, but after how pathetic he was this contest, I struggle to see the logic for a Cloud > Snake pick now. Snake looks like he's roughly stayed the same since 2010 and Cloud has collapsed.
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#336 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/8/2013 2:06:27 PM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Hey we're being pretty good sports about it for the most part!

*spits out water*


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Well hey that's not true
Almost as untrue as the first thing I quoted, in fact!

-=-

Also, Mewtwo still might lose if he beats Draven. Remember that a lot of the Mewtwo rallying will be driven by a desire to beat Draven. There won't be the same desire to tap into that userbase in the final match. Also, Mewtwo won't need an insane amount of rallying power - it'll need a lot, don't get me wrong, but it's looking like Draven's rallying power has been weakened a fair bit.
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#337 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 2:03:44 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


The fact that he is empowered by Draven anti votes? something that he will never have in the finals?


The bandwagon would get crazy, though, and Pokemon fans don't care if it's Draven or Snake. They'll rally like crazy regardless.
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#338 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/8/2013 2:04:02 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Why people still think Pikachu/Snake match was legit
Even I admit Pikachu had massive picture advantage!!

It overrates Pikachu a little bit, not a lot. If you adjust Sora's 2010 x-stat for being stuck behind SFF'd Mario, it lines up pretty well with the Pikachu-Sora match in this contest. Pikachu-Crono based on 2010 x-stats is also very close to 2013. I just can't see that result with different pics being more than a couple percent different.
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#339 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/8/2013 2:04:32 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


Draven losing depends more on Draven then his opponent. Draven can only lose if his rallies don't show up for some reason. Mewtwo being weak or strong doesn't really matter that much.

Nanis23 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


The fact that he is empowered by Draven anti votes? something that he will never have in the finals?


Rallied Draven votes are not going to anti-vote Draven. Draven barely gets non-rallied votes so some of them flipping to Mewtwo doesn't matter that much,
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#340 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 2:05:15 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
IngmarBirdman posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Snake > Cloud should no longer be in real debate

I still find it sad that the stats topic has somehow hiveminded into this notion solely on the back of LOL 3-ways results. Due to MGS5, I'd give Snake the edge in any future contests but to say the result is undoubtedly no longer in debate? Please.


Maybe it was a little strong, but after how pathetic he was this contest, I struggle to see the logic for a Cloud > Snake pick now. Snake looks like he's roughly stayed the same since 2010 and Cloud has collapsed.


Why are we even discussing stats
This topic should be renamed to Contest Rallies and Speculations
#341 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/8/2013 2:05:19 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


A rallied Mewtwo is still leagues below Link.

I think we've established and accept that Draven winning or losing depends on Draven. Not Mewtwo/Seph. Link was absolutely stomping Draven during low key rallying updates. Mewtwo won't be able to make those cuts with Seph there.
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#342 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 2:06:32 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Why people still think Pikachu/Snake match was legit
Even I admit Pikachu had massive picture advantage!!

It overrates Pikachu a little bit, not a lot. If you adjust Sora's 2010 x-stat for being stuck behind SFF'd Mario, it lines up pretty well with the Pikachu-Sora match in this contest. Pikachu-Crono based on 2010 x-stats is also very close to 2013. I just can't see that result with different pics being more than a couple percent different.


This is a really bad analysis for a lot of reasons. Mario is a complete question mark in 2010, the adjustment for Pikachu/Sora is spotty at best, same for Pikachu/Crono (and Crono is behind Missingno's ridiculousness).
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#343 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/8/2013 2:10:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


A rallied Mewtwo is still leagues below Link.

I think we've established and accept that Draven winning or losing depends on Draven. Not Mewtwo/Seph. Link was absolutely stomping Draven during low key rallying updates. Mewtwo won't be able to make those cuts with Seph there.


Oh, well yeah. If Reddit allows the topics again and we get "Ultimate Draven" like in MMX/Ryu, he can't be stopped period - not even sure he can be stopped in 1v1s. But it'll still take a strong, rallied force to take down any form of Draven that isn't "base Draven" (the first few hours of Draven/Jak/Chie). It'd be pretty much impossible to rally Jak to beat Draven, but the power of the Pokemon fanbase has a shot at doing it.
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#344 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 2:09:15 PM | message detail
Like, Mario's adjustment in 2010 was simply "hey let's put him above Snake and/or Samus, he should easily be #2 or #3, right." Mario has never been *quite* that good, it's just that he's been hiding himself for years.
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#345 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/8/2013 2:09:33 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
Maybe it was a little strong, but after how pathetic he was this contest, I struggle to see the logic for a Cloud > Snake pick now. Snake looks like he's roughly stayed the same since 2010 and Cloud has collapsed.

Yeah... there's no evidence to show that Cloud has collapsed. Personally I'd throw most of the results out the window because LOL 3-ways. But if you want to take things at face-value Cloud put up 73.5% on Leon Kennedy. That looks just as good as 64% on Frog looks bad. Definitively saying something about Cloud's relative strength based on this contest is pretty tough...
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#346 | Averia | Posted 9/8/2013 2:10:17 PM | message detail
Draven could lose badly next round or crushes Mewtwo, then lose badly in the final or make Snake looks like Ryu/MMX.
Sure Mewtwo with rally could take advantage of a Draven weakness but only if he has a weakness to take adventage of.
In the end, it's in the hand of the Draven ralliers and the reddit mods.
#347 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 2:10:33 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


Draven losing depends more on Draven then his opponent. Draven can only lose if his rallies don't show up for some reason. Mewtwo being weak or strong doesn't really matter that much.

Nanis23 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mewtwo can beat Draven I don't see what stops it from winning the contest. Yes Samus will leech Mewtwo some but if it's got that kind of rally power that'll affect it as much as water rolling off the back of a duck.


The fact that he is empowered by Draven anti votes? something that he will never have in the finals?


Rallied Draven votes are not going to anti-vote Draven. Draven barely gets non-rallied votes so some of them flipping to Mewtwo doesn't matter that much,


So you are going to tell me that out of those 53703 people that voted Link,only those that like Mewtwo as well will go for Mewtwo?
I don't buy it
You might not believe it,but some of those people that voted for Link will come back for this match just to anti-vote Draven...and for a good reason

I honestly don't understand why no one considers "revenge votes" as a real,confirmed factor
It might sound childish "waaaa a character I don't like beat my favorite! im going to anti vote him now foreverrrr" but in this case this is totally legit and generally accepted
Draven wasn't supposed to win...he will get anti-voted.hard
#348 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 2:11:52 PM | message detail
Cloud still has good arguments over a lot of people. Samus is getting 55% on Tifa Lockheart - is it really so crazy to think Cloud Strife could do better?
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#349 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 2:14:27 PM | message detail | (edited)
We have seen what happened in 2007 finals
You can't compare the "hype" between a semi-final match and "THE FINALS"

If Draven is not stopped at the semis,he is not stopped at the finals...no way they will drop it there,being the finals at all
#350 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/8/2013 2:17:18 PM | message detail | (edited)
Also I don't know why people are falling for some no names lying about rally threads not getting deleted on Link/Draven. All throughout Link's day vote people were trying to post overt rallies to blunt his comeback, and they were getting reported and taken down. I saw this happen, personally. That's why the soft rally thread was needed in the first goddamn place.

Only near the end did the overt rallies start popping up unmolested again.
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