Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1162

#151 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 3:37:50 AM | message detail
Night vote of FF VII is still amazing. Also the day vote of KH is even more amazing.
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#152 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 3:38:17 AM | message detail
#153 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 3:39:09 AM | message detail
But that's basically a PR response. Allen can't say "Yeah, this contest is over and Draven made the ending more predictable than a Link/Snake/Samus final" because...yeah.
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#154 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/8/2013 3:42:00 AM | message detail
Direct linking to these polls is auto-blocked for Reddit threads now I believe, the game has changed since the last match started.
#155 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 3:50:19 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Champions

Draven

Summary: Draven’s passive will now consume all stacks on kill to grant bonus gold, although the gold granted per stack has been reduced by 1. Additionally, Draven’s passive will grant at least 50 bonus gold per kill.

Context: Considering Draven is obviously the greatest champion ever in League of Legends, his new League of Draven passive feels a little flat right now. We’re looking at ways of making his Adoration mechanic more rewarding - both functionally and visually – during late game and multikills.

League of Draven

Now grants a base 50 Gold bonus upon killing an enemy champion (from 0)
Now consumes all Adoration stacks on kill to reward Draven with Gold (previously only consuming half)
Gold per Adoration stack consumed reduced to 2 (from 3)
Visuals and sounds for League of Draven play on every Draven kill, instead of only playing on kills which consumed a large number of stacks


Too good. This is the freaking official patch notes.

The more I play League, the more I like this whole Draven thing. You guys really should give it a try.

I have absolutely no idea what any of that means.

Can someone translate?

LeonhartFour posted...
Man, if Tifa gets to 46% on Samus from here in the next 3-5 hours, Samus should be embarrassed.

Why is that? Tifa will probably end around 45% or maybe just under against Samus. Tifa is no joke, she's legit strong and I don't think this is an embarrassing result for Samus at all. I don't know why people are acting like Samus dropped the ball here.
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#156 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 3:52:55 AM | message detail | (edited)
It's more of just how much Samus dropped from the start. She was 60/40ing Tifa at the start of the match and her percentage has totally tanked.

Tifa's legit, not saying otherwise. I've believed in Tifa from the start. There's a reason why I pushed for her in 2005 over Vincent!

But somewhere Crono and Mega Man are laughing at how much percentage Samus tanked overnight.
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#157 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/8/2013 3:54:03 AM | message detail | (edited)
creativename posted...

Why is that? Tifa will probably end around 45% or maybe just under against Samus. Tifa is no joke, she's legit strong and I don't think this is an embarrassing result for Samus at all. I don't know why people are acting like Samus dropped the ball here.


I think it's because Samus got out to such a great start and people started singing her praises too soon. Now she just looks 'normal'. But mostly, as I said many times before, Tifa just isn't taken seriously by the stats topic.
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#158 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 3:54:21 AM | message detail
And right on cue, Tifa surpasses 46% on Samus.
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#159 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 3:54:41 AM | message detail
Women don't get antivoted it seems no matter what.
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#160 | Janus5000 | Posted 9/8/2013 3:58:21 AM | message detail
Hah, as soon as I posted 46%, I thought it was a bit too high (mostly posted that because 45% seemed low). And yet there it is.

Seeing FF characters actually perform well warms my heart.
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#161 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 3:58:48 AM | message detail
Janus5000 posted...
Hah, as soon as I posted 46%, I thought it was a bit too high (mostly posted that because 45% seemed low). And yet there it is.

Seeing FF characters actually perform well warms my heart.


Hopefully we can get two straight days of it!
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#162 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 3:59:41 AM | message detail
Also, as long as Samus doesn't gain 25+ votes on this next update (and I'd be surprised if she does), Tifa will win her second hour over Samus.
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#163 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 4:05:38 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Second response.

SBAllen posted...
: We can agree to disagree then. There's absolutely nothing I could've done with that battle where Link wouldn't have a guaranteed win other than let it run its course like I did. There isn't any possible "fair" alternative. I'm sure you think there is one, but there isn't and I'm pretty sure that deep down, you realize that. Link had his shot and couldn't quite pull it off. He proved that Draven's not untouchable and I would be very surprised to see Draven actually win the whole thing.


Oh. My. God.

Just when I thought Allen couldn't be less credible. Nothing he could have done that wouldn't have guaranteed a Link win? Of course that's true!! Link deserved a guaranteed win, WTF is this garbage??

"Link couldn't pull it off" my ass. This is a disgraceful response.

lightning-02 posted...
Direct linking to these polls is auto-blocked for Reddit threads now I believe, the game has changed since the last match started.

Hmmm. That's the official stance of the LoL subreddit now? Because that would be huge and Draven could definitely drop the next match.

The problem as I've maintained is the stuffing, even if the rallies are almost dead, if Draven is getting stuffed at the rate I think he is he'll still be hard to beat.
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#164 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:06:54 AM | message detail
#165 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 4:08:49 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Tifa's legit, not saying otherwise. I've believed in Tifa from the start. There's a reason why I pushed for her in 2005 over Vincent!

I definitely disagree that Tifa was stronger than Vincent in 2005.

I think it's only the last contest and this contest where Tifa has surpassed Vincent, due to Vincent falling off a cliff.

I think Vincent was stronger than Tifa in every previous contest to that. Not hugely stronger, they were probably always pretty close, but still stronger.

Denzokuken posted...
But mostly, as I said many times before, Tifa just isn't taken seriously by the stats topic.

Yes this is a great point. Tifa has had so many impressive performances, yet people are acting like a probable 55% win on Tifa is bad??

Tifa is strong people! How many freakin' times does she have to prove this, seriously.
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#166 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:10:29 AM | message detail
Not just the LoL subreddit but everywhere, Threads are getting deleted and the biggest one did get deleted during the Draven match before the DDOS. I've noticed myself I can't make threads with a direct poll link anymore when it wasn't a problem last week, it seems to be getting caught by a filter and the link removed.

It's still ok to make threads about the poll, just not giving a direct link to the poll page in the OP. Forcing people to fish out the site and poll themselves will have a big drop in efficiency. Draven can still win but he's definitely mortal now.
#167 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/8/2013 4:11:30 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
lightning-02 posted...
Direct linking to these polls is auto-blocked for Reddit threads now I believe, the game has changed since the last match started.

Hmmm. That's the official stance of the LoL subreddit now? Because that would be huge and Draven could definitely drop the next match.

The problem as I've maintained is the stuffing, even if the rallies are almost dead, if Draven is getting stuffed at the rate I think he is he'll still be hard to beat.


If I'm reading into that what I think it means, that would be the stance of all of Reddit.
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#168 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:11:32 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
I definitely disagree that Tifa was stronger than Vincent in 2005.


Oh, she wasn't.

But I pushed for her because I believed she'd be the #3 FFVII character from the start.

And again, people misinterpreting what I'm saying!
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#169 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:15:12 AM | message detail
So you can make a rally topic like this for example?
<Hey Draven needs your vote to win a contest in a site called Gamefaqs!Just go there and vote!No need to be a member too!>
So this one will not get deleted?
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#170 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 4:18:27 AM | message detail
Also I have to say, Allen just seems to have an agenda against Link. This entire contest was obviously just an attempt to make Link lose. First the poll of the day where he shouted to everyone "Link always wins!". Then the setup for an expected Link/somebody/Mario finals where Link would be sabotaged.

And then you have the Hyrule Screwjob with the downtime. That was mind-bogglingly unfair. I never though the unfairness of Mario/Crono 2 could be topped, but the downtime was *far* more unfair than even Mario/Crono 2!

I mean I too prior to the Draven match was hoping Link would lose, but this agenda is just ridiculous.

lightning-02 posted...
Not just the LoL subreddit but everywhere, Threads are getting deleted and the biggest one did get deleted during the Draven match before the DDOS. I've noticed myself I can't make threads with a direct poll link anymore when it wasn't a problem last week, it seems to be getting caught by a filter and the link removed.

It's still ok to make threads about the poll, just not giving a direct link to the poll page in the OP. Forcing people to fish out the site and poll themselves will have a big drop in efficiency. Draven can still win but he's definitely mortal now.

Wow. That could be big. The next Draven match actually has some intrigue now.
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#171 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 4:19:09 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
creativename posted...
I definitely disagree that Tifa was stronger than Vincent in 2005.


Oh, she wasn't.

But I pushed for her because I believed she'd be the #3 FFVII character from the start.

And again, people misinterpreting what I'm saying!

...OK, I'm extremely confused here. You said you don't think she was stronger than Vincent in 2005, yet you "from the start" believed she was the #3...? I don't follow here.
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#172 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:20:52 AM | message detail | (edited)
"From the start" being "Before we got either of them into the contest."

Point is, I've always believed in Tifa's strength so if you're taking what I said to mean "OH MAN SAMUS SUCKS WHY ISN'T SHE BLOWING TIFA OUT" you're reading it wrong.
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#173 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 9/8/2013 4:19:57 AM | message detail
Speaking of Squall, FF8 is apparently $50 now. I am really regretting selling my copy back in middle school!
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#174 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:21:37 AM | message detail
And darn it, Tifa just can't get this lead under 1200 votes.

Where's RallyFAQs when you need it?
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#175 | Random_Taco568 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:21:50 AM | message detail
LolLink

Just going to say that now. anyway we could rally Mewtwo but I doubt Final Fantasy fans will be cool with that since Sephiroth is in the mix.
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#176 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 9/8/2013 4:22:03 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So you can make a rally topic like this for example?
<Hey Draven needs your vote to win a contest in a site called Gamefaqs!Just go there and vote!No need to be a member too!>
So this one will not get deleted?

Just disallowing a direct link will be a major blow to rallies. Most people answering the call are very uninvested; if you make it take any work at all, some of them will walk away.
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#177 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:23:42 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So you can make a rally topic like this for example?
<Hey Draven needs your vote to win a contest in a site called Gamefaqs!Just go there and vote!No need to be a member too!>
So this one will not get deleted?


That would not be parsed at least and I haven't had any threads like it deleted but the LoL subreddit people seem to be more fickle than other subreddits, the mods there have commented negatively towards rally threads the last time and are probably getting increasingly fed up.
The rally thread that stayed up the last time after the previous was deleted was this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lkzob/riot_if_draven_wins_gamefaqs_character_battle/

It was a much more meta discussion focused on something else than what your suggestion was, it may be a case of it needing to be a subtle stealth rally. Either way it's bad news for Draven.
#178 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:23:56 AM | message detail
Samus is dominating in USA. When USA wakes up this will get ugly.
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#179 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:26:53 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Samus is dominating in USA. When USA wakes up this will get ugly.


Nah, it won't. Samus will stop stalling and actually maybe get her lead above 1300 votes, but whatever gains she makes with the day vote will be minor.
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#180 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:28:30 AM | message detail
So top 5 women in contests?
Samus
Tifa
Zelda
Lara I guess?
I am not even sure.
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#181 | spooky96 | Posted 9/8/2013 4:36:36 AM | message detail
I would like to see how Latias would do.
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#182 | creativename | Posted 9/8/2013 4:41:56 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Samus is dominating in USA. When USA wakes up this will get ugly.

Tifa will likely lose 1 point or maybe a bit more on Samus with the day vote, however Samus is far from some day vote beast.

Samus is one of the most neutral day/night characters we have.

Tifa will drop just because she can't maintain this overnight pace, and Samus will start increasing her lead again. But that won't be because Samus is anything special with the day vote. She isn't.
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#183 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/8/2013 4:45:22 AM | message detail
Actually this is the first proper Samus day vote we will have seen in years. This could go differently to how people expect.

Also, it's really weird how Tifa is the one FF7 character to retain her strength. She did better on Chun Li than Sephiroth did on Midna.
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#184 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:45:22 AM | message detail
Tifa over 35% now aw yeah
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#185 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:46:35 AM | message detail
Like I said earlier, Tifa has a couple of reasons to hold her strength better than the rest of FFVII (sans Aerith) do! Don't let B8 fool you! Most voters don't care about Tifa "withholding crucial information from party members!"
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#186 | snoocete | Posted 9/8/2013 4:49:57 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
lightning-02 posted...
Direct linking to these polls is auto-blocked for Reddit threads now I believe, the game has changed since the last match started.

Hmmm. That's the official stance of the LoL subreddit now? Because that would be huge and Draven could definitely drop the next match.

The problem as I've maintained is the stuffing, even if the rallies are almost dead, if Draven is getting stuffed at the rate I think he is he'll still be hard to beat.


Nope, the last rally thread got deleted only because the creator deleted it, it wasn't the LoL subreddit mods.

Didn't one of them even visit the stats and discussion topic to clarify that they will not delete the Draven rallies even if someone set them up by making topics here for upvotes?
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#187 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/8/2013 4:50:21 AM | message detail
snoocete posted...
Didn't one of them even visit the stats and discussion topic to clarify that they will not delete the Draven rallies even if someone set them up by making topics here for upvotes?


Yep.
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#188 | spooky96 | Posted 9/8/2013 5:03:05 AM | message detail
I think we're in the situation where Tidus would lose to Yuna, and Cloud would lose to Tifa. Am I wrong to say so? >_>
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#189 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 9/8/2013 5:06:53 AM | message detail
All i know is 4chan/FFVII haters will side with Tifa against Cloud.

gg Cloud.
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#190 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/8/2013 5:10:20 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So you can make a rally topic like this for example?
<Hey Draven needs your vote to win a contest in a site called Gamefaqs!Just go there and vote!No need to be a member too!>
So this one will not get deleted?


Yes, but it won't be nearly as effective. I honestly think PokemonFAQs has this.
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#191 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/8/2013 5:12:26 AM | message detail
Oh. My. God.Just when I thought Allen couldn't be less credible. Nothing he could have done that wouldn't have guaranteed a Link win? Of course that's true!! Link deserved a guaranteed win, WTF is this garbage??"Link couldn't pull it off" my ass. This is a disgraceful response.

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#192 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/8/2013 6:07:03 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
Tifa is strong people! How many freakin' times does she have to prove this, seriously.


This argument would have held weight...before witnessing Sephiroth almost losing to Kirby and Cloud losing to Squirtle.

Basically, allowing a Final Fantasy VII character to do well against you in this contest is a really bad sign. I still think that Tifa (and Aeris) hasn't deboosted as much as Cloud/Sephiroth/Vincent/Zack/Barret (yes, I know Barret hasn't been in a contest before, but I think he'd have done better earlier), but still.

That being said, I think I actually expected Auron or Tifa to be able to actually make a run at the upset. Most of agree that Samus declining in strength makes sense, since her last game was basically her series' equivalent of Metal Gear Solid 2 or Wind Waker.
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#193 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/8/2013 6:15:10 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lightning Strikes posted...
Actually this is the first proper Samus day vote we will have seen in years. This could go differently to how people expect.

Also, it's really weird how Tifa is the one FF7 character to retain her strength. She did better on Chun Li than Sephiroth did on Midna.


Midna would have probably beaten Chun-Li prior to this contest anyway. Midna has always been a decent midcarder. Chun-Li is the same chick who got blown out by Bowser and ended up being overrated in the stats due to Bowser's overperformance on Snake, and who failed to break 60% on Yuna.

Midna vs. Master Chief, who wins?

Also the only other Street Fighter character in the bracket is Ryu, whose only real match involved him getting 68% on a character whose only other outing involved Tifa getting 79% on him. And while said character is a Tales of character and his kind has exceeded expectations for the most part this contest, it was against characters who had reason to drop or be overrated (see: Big Daddy). The only exception was Jade Curtiss doing well against characters from Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid, and characters from those series have generally done well this contest...or maybe not?

Me jumping to conclusions on characters:

-Mario and co. suffer the biggest deboost due to their franchise being whored out by Nintendo nowadays and due to Nintendo being so inept now.
-Samus suffers a mild deboost because her last game was her series' Wind Waker.
-Kirby and Donkey Kong boost due to new games
-Link and co. boost due to Majora's Mask/Wind Waker nostalgia
-Pokemon run wild
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#194 | Axl_Rose_85 | Posted 9/8/2013 6:24:54 AM | message detail
Holy **** Tifa!

Tifa > Cloud?
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#195 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 6:26:15 AM | message detail
Samus is dominating now. I wonder how much will she win? The lead before was around 1100 votes I believe.
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#196 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/8/2013 6:41:16 AM | message detail
Tifa under 35%. I think she finishes above 33% though.
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#197 | ZFS | Posted 9/8/2013 6:44:47 AM | message detail
I see Tifa gained quite a bit of percentage over night, and left Block in the dust. Very weird that Tifa has seemingly held up when everything else from FFVII has dropped so much. GameFAQs is strange!

Feel like this is slightly disappointing for Samus, even then, but I suppose it was a stretch to think she'd hold as strong when Nintendo was so down.
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#198 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 6:46:00 AM | message detail
This match annoys me
It makes sense. Why does it makes sense? It's not supposed to make sense

We are after 7 matches in a row that didn't make sense (not including bonus match...and Kirby had the lead for some time)

This match...makes perfect sense. Why? Why
#199 | snoocete | Posted 9/8/2013 6:48:01 AM | message detail
I think of Samus vs Tifa as the female equivalant of Mario vs Crono... except for the part where Tifa picks up a win yet :<

They're both clearly the strongest lady representatives of Nintendo and Square, right?
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#200 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/8/2013 6:51:40 AM | message detail
Samus>Zelda=Tifa