Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1160

#301 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:25:57 PM | message detail
So what's the Chester fodder line? Something like 5 Chesters?
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#302 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 12:28:23 PM | message detail | (edited)
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.



Unstoppable against non Nintendo sure. If you replace Cloud with Link in yesterdays poll how much % do you think Squirtle gets? Probably just enough to beat Leon.

We need Samus, Mario and Link taking out these pokemon before they get too far. Zelda proved that Pokemons weakness is Nintendo Elite tier. Obviously Zelda wasn't elite so she lost. But Samus would have torn Charizard a new one.
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#303 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/7/2013 12:30:00 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.



Unstoppable against non Nintendo sure. If you replace Cloud with Link in yesterdays poll how much % do you think Squirtle gets? Probably just enough to beat Leon.

We need Samus, Mario and Link taking out these pokemon before they get too far. Zelda proved that Pokemons weakness is Nintendo Elite tier. Obviously Zelda wasn't elite so she lost. But Samus would have torn Charizard a new one.


No, Zelda proved Pokemon's weakness was Zelda. Pokemon has never looked bad against any part of Nintendo except Zelda.
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#304 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/7/2013 12:30:46 PM | message detail
mario won't do it, no. not in threeways. barely in one on one. zelda series is the weak point. that's it. we'll see how mega man fairs soon.
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#305 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 12:33:44 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
The_Djoker posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.



Unstoppable against non Nintendo sure. If you replace Cloud with Link in yesterdays poll how much % do you think Squirtle gets? Probably just enough to beat Leon.

We need Samus, Mario and Link taking out these pokemon before they get too far. Zelda proved that Pokemons weakness is Nintendo Elite tier. Obviously Zelda wasn't elite so she lost. But Samus would have torn Charizard a new one.


No, Zelda proved Pokemon's weakness was Zelda. Pokemon has never looked bad against any part of Nintendo except Zelda.


weakness isn't really the right word. More like their ability to rally and get boosted votes wouldn't eb as strong against Nintendo's elite. Link obviously would just destroy any Nintendo related character. Ganon wouldn't so it's not exclusive to Zelda. I think SAmus would do better against pokemon then possibly Mario.
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#306 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:35:33 PM | message detail
Im looking at the last hour of Auron-L Block
And im afraid

Complain about Pokemon rallies all you want,this is worse by far
Not Draven level of scary,but it puts Pokemon to shame
#307 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 12:36:41 PM | message detail
Wanglicious posted...
mario won't do it, no. not in threeways. barely in one on one. zelda series is the weak point. that's it. we'll see how mega man fairs soon.


not really since he's being SFF'd hugely. Not a fair match.
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#308 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/7/2013 12:37:23 PM | message detail
Leon doing poorly seems simple to me. It was a big Nintendo/Square fight (or for some, simply Pokemon vs. Not Pokemon) and Leon wasn't in their league so he seemed irrelevant and not worth voting.

I'll also raise the possibility of Ryu/Dante/Leon all being a bit overrated in the 2010 x-stats. Even excluding what they got on Draven/Pokemon I don't think any of them did very well this contest. If Ridley and Captain Falcon (and Chris Redfield!) benefited from Cloud anti-votes to get a 28-30% on Cloud that they weren't actually worth, Ryu's 34% is looking a bit suspect too.
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#309 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 9/7/2013 12:38:33 PM | message detail
Haha, Pikachu is murking Blue. Damn.

Does anyone have Squirtle's prediction %? Really curious to see that.
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#310 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/7/2013 12:39:58 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
The_Djoker posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.



Unstoppable against non Nintendo sure. If you replace Cloud with Link in yesterdays poll how much % do you think Squirtle gets? Probably just enough to beat Leon.

We need Samus, Mario and Link taking out these pokemon before they get too far. Zelda proved that Pokemons weakness is Nintendo Elite tier. Obviously Zelda wasn't elite so she lost. But Samus would have torn Charizard a new one.


No, Zelda proved Pokemon's weakness was Zelda. Pokemon has never looked bad against any part of Nintendo except Zelda.


weakness isn't really the right word. More like their ability to rally and get boosted votes wouldn't eb as strong against Nintendo's elite. Link obviously would just destroy any Nintendo related character. Ganon wouldn't so it's not exclusive to Zelda. I think SAmus would do better against pokemon then possibly Mario.


Ganondorf blew Mewtwo out in 2010, Mewtwo barely beat Midna in 2008, Charizard loses to Zelda this year without massive rallies. Every single time Pokemon has faced Zelda, they disappointed.

Meanwhile, Mario could only put up 55% on Zard directly. You can say that Samus would do better, and maybe she would as she hasn't faced a Pokemon outside of Nidoran F, but who knows for sure.
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#311 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 12:40:59 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Im looking at the last hour of Auron-L Block
And im afraid

Complain about Pokemon rallies all you want,this is worse by far
Not Draven level of scary,but it puts Pokemon to shame


If that was 2 hours sure. Samus and Tifa should have enough to make that overrated Tetris piece look like Fodder. If he gets a rally then he beats Tifa.
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#312 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/7/2013 12:42:05 PM | message detail | (edited)
L Block may be the second strongest rallying force, yes. you can't really rally against a tetris piece. where do you go? odds are good they like Tetris.

i wish we didn't quite have Zero in the poll because Mega Man is our single constant with Pokemon right now. Magikarp was faced in Round 1, now Charizard in a few days. i don't think any of us would disagree that the Gen 1 Pokemon have gotten notably stronger through the rounds, just like i don't think any of us would disagree that Magikarp had one of the highest chances to catching fire like the way the rest of them have. if they're similar in strength (Pikachu ahead of the pack, trainers behind it, everything else in the middle) then we would've had a tangible idea of what Pokemon's strength is early game and late game in these things.
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#313 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 12:46:21 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
The_Djoker posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
The_Djoker posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.



Unstoppable against non Nintendo sure. If you replace Cloud with Link in yesterdays poll how much % do you think Squirtle gets? Probably just enough to beat Leon.

We need Samus, Mario and Link taking out these pokemon before they get too far. Zelda proved that Pokemons weakness is Nintendo Elite tier. Obviously Zelda wasn't elite so she lost. But Samus would have torn Charizard a new one.


No, Zelda proved Pokemon's weakness was Zelda. Pokemon has never looked bad against any part of Nintendo except Zelda.


weakness isn't really the right word. More like their ability to rally and get boosted votes wouldn't eb as strong against Nintendo's elite. Link obviously would just destroy any Nintendo related character. Ganon wouldn't so it's not exclusive to Zelda. I think SAmus would do better against pokemon then possibly Mario.


Ganondorf blew Mewtwo out in 2010, Mewtwo barely beat Midna in 2008, Charizard loses to Zelda this year without massive rallies. Every single time Pokemon has faced Zelda, they disappointed.

Meanwhile, Mario could only put up 55% on Zard directly. You can say that Samus would do better, and maybe she would as she hasn't faced a Pokemon outside of Nidoran F, but who knows for sure.


Zards strength isn't consistent. Getting 45% on mario was due to him being in the contest for so long and gaining rallies. He didn't even break 60 on Kratos.

Mind you he'd beat Mario now. He's a become a joke.
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#314 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 12:52:31 PM | message detail | (edited)
Wanglicious posted...
L Block may be the second strongest rallying force, yes. you can't really rally against a tetris piece. where do you go? odds are good they like Tetris.

i wish we didn't quite have Zero in the poll because Mega Man is our single constant with Pokemon right now. Magikarp was faced in Round 1, now Charizard in a few days. i don't think any of us would disagree that the Gen 1 Pokemon have gotten notably stronger through the rounds, just like i don't think any of us would disagree that Magikarp had one of the highest chances to catching fire like the way the rest of them have. if they're similar in strength (Pikachu ahead of the pack, trainers behind it, everything else in the middle) then we would've had a tangible idea of what Pokemon's strength is early game and late game in these things.


L blocks rallies were overrated as hell. Jumping on a joke bandwagon =/= Rallies. He won that year because everyone found it funny and jumped on a bandwagon. After that a lot of people stopped caring. Sure he was in th character contest for the enxt 2-3 years but apart from a few decent midcarder performances...he did bugger all. Well done in keeping close with Auron and then vote stuffing to a reasonable lead.

And

yes. you can't really rally against a tetris piece.

Tell that to the Draven fanboys. This thing about lblock taking out Draven is a myth. Noone cares about lblock anymore.
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#315 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:51:27 PM | message detail
Lol at this Sora update
#316 | TyrekeEvans13 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:51:45 PM | message detail
#317 | Qwaar | Posted 9/7/2013 12:52:41 PM | message detail
Can Sora still win this?
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#318 | RockMFR | Posted 9/7/2013 12:53:13 PM | message detail
Sora with the Saturday school ASV? Of course, only thugs play Kingdom Hearts.
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#319 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/7/2013 12:53:42 PM | message detail
If Zelda is Pokekryptonite, then that makes RBY's 2008 run look even more ridiculous.
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#320 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/7/2013 12:54:10 PM | message detail
Pikachu somehow managed to get less than 40 votes that update. His 3rd worst update of the entire match.
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#321 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/7/2013 12:54:35 PM | message detail
My problem with the next match is that L-Block is a total wildcard. Against two strong contestants, it's impossible to tell exactly where he'll end up in the battle. His joke potential could fall flat in the face of two characters that people really like, or his standout factor could be a lightning rod for joke voters, and anything in-between.
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#322 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/7/2013 12:54:38 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
Mind you he'd beat Mario now. He's a become a joke.


Zelda > Mario get ready guys.
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#323 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 12:56:51 PM | message detail
Meanwhile, Sora quietly rising up.
#324 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/7/2013 12:58:19 PM | message detail
got a bit more than that, 46.41%. yeah, a percent and a half matters. it was also consistent with his performance in the round prior to it when he 55'd Bowser. early Pokemon and late Pokemon may be different, but late Pokemon should be consistent just because that's the full power of the fanbase here.

rallying having an impact to the degree it's had in this contest is a completely new thing. excluding draven, we're looking at something that can go from 1/5 to 1/8 of the votes in a match, and that's being incredibly conservative.
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#325 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/7/2013 12:58:37 PM | message detail
He might have a chance if he kept the lead down to 300 instead of 600
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#326 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/7/2013 1:12:03 PM | message detail
Wanglicious posted...
got a bit more than that, 46.41%. yeah, a percent and a half matters. it was also consistent with his performance in the round prior to it when he 55'd Bowser. early Pokemon and late Pokemon may be different, but late Pokemon should be consistent just because that's the full power of the fanbase here.
Do you think Bowser is worth 41.28% on Mario? Cuz I'm not buying that. The guy looked terrible in 2007, 2008, and 2013 so yeah, he probably was bad in 2010 too.
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#327 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 1:21:28 PM | message detail
Sora just took the stall fight to the 450 range instead of 500
He tends to do it every few hours

Nothing to see here
#328 | Magmortar75 | Posted 9/7/2013 1:34:19 PM | message detail | (edited)
Sora actually making some moves. Wonder how long it is before it truly is back to stalling.

I think he still has a shot. If it's close at the end, he's probably done though. I think the Pokemon series is great, but I do think one game producing so many characters at this level is more than a little absurd.
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#329 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 1:34:17 PM | message detail
If Sora is going to win it,let him
Please don't rally...there is no reason for Pikachu to win this
At least we can look forward to Squirtle-Snake then!
#330 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 1:37:15 PM | message detail
Sora not done yet. Don't even know who to root for.
#331 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/7/2013 1:37:16 PM | message detail
Snake fans will rally for Pikachu so he gets an easy victory.

Those sly dogs.
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#332 | AsurasKordoth | Posted 9/7/2013 1:40:44 PM | message detail
Dat stall
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#333 | UberPyro64 | Posted 9/7/2013 1:42:18 PM | message detail
I want a good Snake VS Squirtle match that helps lead to a all Pokemon final. So Pikachu must be sacrificed for this.

Mewtwo/Squirtle/Charizard
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#334 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/7/2013 1:43:20 PM | message detail
Snake will come in second because Pokemon has the underdog vote.
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#335 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 1:46:02 PM | message detail
I just want one Pokemon in the finals to breach the barrier. Just one.
#336 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/7/2013 2:15:32 PM | message detail
I am for Sora winning because the next match will be amazing if Sora is there.
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#337 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/7/2013 2:19:46 PM | message detail
Pikachu getting an underdog bandwagon even though he's made it to the third round or later in the last four contests (and the 4th round in three of them, if he wins here).
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#338 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/7/2013 2:21:02 PM | message detail
Also everyone keeps overlooking Squall

Excellent
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#339 | Kyle Bowen | Posted 9/7/2013 2:22:45 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Also everyone keeps overlooking Squall

Excellent

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#340 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/7/2013 2:24:22 PM | message detail | (edited)
I would lol if Pokefans suddenly started rallying against Pikachu because they just realised that him going through guarantees that Snake beats Squirtle.
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#341 | TheOceIot | Posted 9/7/2013 2:26:16 PM | message detail
Squall winning his match is the only thing that can save my bracket.
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#342 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2013 2:26:21 PM | message detail
I think their plan is to have Squirtle/Pikachu beat Snake... despite the fanbase split.

...a plan I will not 100% rule out despite every stat in my being telling me it's impossible.
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#343 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 2:29:30 PM | message detail
You can't rule out anything with Pokemon.
#344 | swordz9 | Posted 9/7/2013 2:29:40 PM | message detail
Snake losing to Pikachu AND Squirtle would be incredibly unexpected and hilarious. I wish rallies could've gotten Kirby to beat Sephiroth though.
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#345 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/7/2013 2:30:02 PM | message detail
Nanis23 do you know why L-Block went up that last hour? Someone posted a rally almost 1 hour before the match ended. So you can see L-Block is easily rallied. BUT now it faces 2 hot chicks. Hard to rally there.
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#346 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/7/2013 2:30:16 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Snake losing to Pikachu AND Squirtle would be incredibly unexpected and hilarious.


The sad thing is that people still believe this every time Pokemon wins!
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#347 | Drakeryn | Posted 9/7/2013 2:30:56 PM | message detail
Well, yeah. They're the plucky underdogs of the contest.

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#348 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/7/2013 2:31:20 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
swordz9 posted...
Snake losing to Pikachu AND Squirtle would be incredibly unexpected and hilarious.


The sad thing is that people still believe this every time Pokemon wins!


what, are you trying to say Snake losing that wouldn't be an upset?
#349 | abdou | Posted 9/7/2013 2:31:50 PM | message detail
It's impossible for Snake to lose that match, those rallies are not nearly enough, just barely beating Sora? yeah not good enough.
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#350 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/7/2013 2:32:22 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
what, are you trying to say Snake losing that wouldn't be an upset?


The fact that we're even entertaining this discussion says a lot.
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