Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1160

#251 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/7/2013 9:14:36 AM | message detail
Incidentally... what the heck happened for ReSTALLver LOSSalot to choke, curl up and die, blow it, etc etc. against Jill in 2008?
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#252 | jellsprout | Posted 9/7/2013 9:14:49 AM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.


Honestly, it's just the 3 way matches. Pokemon are not this strong individually, but they resist SFF and overlapping with other franchises. They do not lose many votes when characters such as Bowser, Leon, and Sora are in the poll, unlike characters like Sonic and Cloud. 1 v 1, Pokemon would never make it this far.


Which is why Pikachu is winning this match despite another Pokemon character being in the same poll. While some victories such as Squirtle>Cloud and Charizard>Zelda can be blamed on SSF, this match proves that Pokemon are terribly strong this year on their own.
I think the most important reason for this is actually Pokemon's rally potential. Pokemon is still the second most popular franchise in the world and the Pokemon hatedom seems to have died down a bit. It is far easier to rally for Pokemon than almost any other franchise in this contest.
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#253 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:15:41 AM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
Safer_777 posted...
I like Pokemon but I would like Draven to win. Yeah I know but it will be the most trolling result ever. I mean Link is loved by almost everyone here. Cloud is loved but not so as Link. Everyone loved L-Block when it won. But Draven? Everyone hates this guy. So if he wins that would be so much fun!


But people would hate if Pokemon won more.


*the stats topic would whine more if Pokemon won
#254 | lightsout06 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:19:52 AM | message detail
Solid Snake, Squirtle and Sora would be a much better match to watch than Snake, Squirtle and Pickachu
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#255 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 9:21:36 AM | message detail
jellsprout posted...
Scarlettail posted...
eaglesarebeasts posted...
People didn't think Pikachu would win this? Pokémon are LITERALLY unstoppable except against Draven.


Honestly, it's just the 3 way matches. Pokemon are not this strong individually, but they resist SFF and overlapping with other franchises. They do not lose many votes when characters such as Bowser, Leon, and Sora are in the poll, unlike characters like Sonic and Cloud. 1 v 1, Pokemon would never make it this far.


Which is why Pikachu is winning this match despite another Pokemon character being in the same poll. While some victories such as Squirtle>Cloud and Charizard>Zelda can be blamed on SSF, this match proves that Pokemon are terribly strong this year on their own.
I think the most important reason for this is actually Pokemon's rally potential. Pokemon is still the second most popular franchise in the world and the Pokemon hatedom seems to have died down a bit. It is far easier to rally for Pokemon than almost any other franchise in this contest.


I do think they're stronger than before, and they are indeed benefiting from rallies. This match certainly shows that they have some legit strength, but it's also important to recognize that SFF won them a lot to this point. Pikachu over Crono, Charizard over Zelda, Mewtwo over Sonic, and Squirtle over Cloud.
#256 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 9:23:37 AM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Scarlettail posted...
Safer_777 posted...
I like Pokemon but I would like Draven to win. Yeah I know but it will be the most trolling result ever. I mean Link is loved by almost everyone here. Cloud is loved but not so as Link. Everyone loved L-Block when it won. But Draven? Everyone hates this guy. So if he wins that would be so much fun!


But people would hate if Pokemon won more.


*the stats topic would whine more if Pokemon won


I thought that was the aim of the trolling.
#257 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/7/2013 9:32:48 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Incidentally... what the heck happened for ReSTALLver LOSSalot to choke, curl up and die, blow it, etc etc. against Jill in 2008?


Jill just got stronger between 2007 and 2008, and may very well have been the stronger character to begin with. Also, she stood out like nuts in that match, being the only cutesy character against three VERY masculine guys. And for all you know, Kratos might have SFFd Ocelot, though then again if you held that poll today I don't even think Kratos gets eliminated.

As for how Jill got stronger, I have three explanations:

1) The Umbrella Chronicles
2) Resident Evil 5 hype
3) PS1 nostalgia character boost, same as Crash Bandicoot and Spyro (though why any MGS/FF/Castlevania character doesn't benefit is a mystery - only thing I can think of is Castlevania wasn't mainstream enough and the other two were either already very popular or lacked the same casual appeal)
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#258 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:34:24 AM | message detail
The match had Cloud, Playstation SFF could have been the reason.

Regardless Ocelot just got MGS4
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#259 | swordz9 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:36:14 AM | message detail
I don't know what 4chan is doing. I mean they want to make people upset over this result, but they want Squirtle to do well and Pikachu winning here makes it nearly impossible for Squirtle to win his next match.
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#260 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 9/7/2013 9:38:12 AM | message detail
So this is day two of a Pokemon holding a pretty constant lead over characters we would expect to rise during the day (Cloud given his overall higher strength, Sora because he is probably the most day oriented character there is).
Seems pretty fishy to me!
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#261 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/7/2013 9:38:45 AM | message detail
4chan can't think that many steps ahead.
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#262 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 9:39:37 AM | message detail
Alas, I wanted to see a Pokemon make it to the finals. It would've made it more worth it when Draven dominates.
#263 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 9:40:47 AM | message detail
lightsout06 posted...
Solid Snake, Squirtle and Sora would be a much better match to watch than Snake, Squirtle and Pickachu


lol No.

Snake /Pikachu / Squirtle would be an Epic match. An epic match in which Snake blzsts through and the Pokemon Nerds can't figure out who to support so they both end up being rallied and lose easily.
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#264 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/7/2013 9:41:56 AM | message detail
LordoftheMorons posted...
So this is day two of a Pokemon holding a pretty constant lead over characters we would expect to rise during the day (Cloud given his overall higher strength, Sora because he is probably the most day oriented character there is).
Seems pretty fishy to me!


Like I said yesterday, there was some pretty clear indication that Squirtle's voting trends were not legit against Cloud. The problem is that GameFAQs has never been able to catch stuffers and they probably never will (nor will they put forth the effort to do so).
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#265 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:42:04 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
I don't know what 4chan is doing. I mean they want to make people upset over this result, but they want Squirtle to do well and Pikachu winning here makes it nearly impossible for Squirtle to win his next match.


We wanted Cloud to lose, it's nothing to do with Squirtle. He was just the suitable counter-rally target.
#266 | pjbasis | Posted 9/7/2013 9:44:09 AM | message detail
Sora's down by about 600, has Pikachu's lead been bigger before?
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#267 | swordz9 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:44:39 AM | message detail
You should let them know that Squirtle beating Snake would probably cause the largest amount of "butthurt" of any match left!
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#268 | abdou | Posted 9/7/2013 9:46:16 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
swordz9 posted...
I don't know what 4chan is doing. I mean they want to make people upset over this result, but they want Squirtle to do well and Pikachu winning here makes it nearly impossible for Squirtle to win his next match.


We wanted Cloud to lose, it's nothing to do with Squirtle. He was just the suitable counter-rally target.


"we" ? hahahaha so what are you the 4chan representative
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#269 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 9/7/2013 9:46:51 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
So this is day two of a Pokemon holding a pretty constant lead over characters we would expect to rise during the day (Cloud given his overall higher strength, Sora because he is probably the most day oriented character there is).
Seems pretty fishy to me!


Like I said yesterday, there was some pretty clear indication that Squirtle's voting trends were not legit against Cloud. The problem is that GameFAQs has never been able to catch stuffers and they probably never will (nor will they put forth the effort to do so).


The exact reverse was shown in that match. When to rallying topic was deleted, Squirtle did much worse. When it went back up, Squirtle went back to normal. Vote stuffing should not depend on whether a rally topic exists or not. Squirtle has abnormal trends to rallying not vote stuffing.
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#270 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 9:50:45 AM | message detail
No wonder Allen doesn't take us seriously when we call stuffing if every person now claims stuffing on every match...
#271 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 9:56:23 AM | message detail
Apparently basically every character is stuffing.
#272 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/7/2013 10:08:14 AM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
BleedingRed posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
So this is day two of a Pokemon holding a pretty constant lead over characters we would expect to rise during the day (Cloud given his overall higher strength, Sora because he is probably the most day oriented character there is).
Seems pretty fishy to me!


Like I said yesterday, there was some pretty clear indication that Squirtle's voting trends were not legit against Cloud. The problem is that GameFAQs has never been able to catch stuffers and they probably never will (nor will they put forth the effort to do so).


The exact reverse was shown in that match. When to rallying topic was deleted, Squirtle did much worse. When it went back up, Squirtle went back to normal. Vote stuffing should not depend on whether a rally topic exists or not. Squirtle has abnormal trends to rallying not vote stuffing.


It wasn't the consistent trends that were worrisome moreso than the giant spikes Squirtle got every time Cloud looked like he was cutting a little bit. Cloud would take 3 or 4 updates in a row and bring down the lead by maybe 50, and then in 1 or 2 updates Squirtle would take it all back and then just hold steady? That's pretty fishy IMO.
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#273 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/7/2013 10:09:39 AM | message detail
The only characters doing any significant stuffing were the Touhou characters. And Tidus. lol
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#274 | tgs2 | Posted 9/7/2013 10:09:44 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
BleedingRed posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
So this is day two of a Pokemon holding a pretty constant lead over characters we would expect to rise during the day (Cloud given his overall higher strength, Sora because he is probably the most day oriented character there is).
Seems pretty fishy to me!


Like I said yesterday, there was some pretty clear indication that Squirtle's voting trends were not legit against Cloud. The problem is that GameFAQs has never been able to catch stuffers and they probably never will (nor will they put forth the effort to do so).


The exact reverse was shown in that match. When to rallying topic was deleted, Squirtle did much worse. When it went back up, Squirtle went back to normal. Vote stuffing should not depend on whether a rally topic exists or not. Squirtle has abnormal trends to rallying not vote stuffing.


It wasn't the consistent trends that were worrisome moreso than the giant spikes Squirtle got every time Cloud looked like he was cutting a little bit. Cloud would take 3 or 4 updates in a row and bring down the lead by maybe 50, and then in 1 or 2 updates Squirtle would take it all back and then just hold steady? That's pretty fishy IMO.


That's what happens when you have rallies from people who actively lurk this thread.
#275 | Averia | Posted 9/7/2013 10:10:13 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
The only characters doing any significant stuffing were the Touhou characters. And Tidus. lol


And Guybrush !
#276 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2013 10:11:56 AM | message detail
Squirtle's biggest spikes usually corresponded to either the /v/ thread being bumped or a more major source of traffic (e.g. the 4chan reddit, the occasional shortlived /b/ thread). There was probably some cheating - people tend to try real hard to cheat during close matches - but the bulk of the match can be explained by other factors. Squirtle bandwagon, Leon draining Cloud a bit, ridiculously biased pictures, and the constant, constant rallies.
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#277 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/7/2013 10:14:05 AM | message detail | (edited)
1)I am sure that the FF 7 characters don't stuff. The others stuff. I am certain.
2)Who made this picture? It is awesome. http://imgur.com/LMX1uPj
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#278 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/7/2013 10:14:54 AM | message detail
Averia posted...
Denzokuken posted...
The only characters doing any significant stuffing were the Touhou characters. And Tidus. lol


And Guybrush !


Damn that Guybrush and his 96 stuffed votes! Villain!
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#279 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/7/2013 10:15:50 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
Averia posted...
Denzokuken posted...
The only characters doing any significant stuffing were the Touhou characters. And Tidus. lol


And Guybrush !


Damn that Guybrush and his 96 stuffed votes! Villain!


*97 stuffed votes
#280 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/7/2013 10:16:53 AM | message detail
It's worse than I thought...
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#281 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/7/2013 10:26:42 AM | message detail
So what does this match say about Lloyd Irving's strength?
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#282 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/7/2013 10:40:24 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
So what does this match say about Lloyd Irving's strength?


Inconclusive. But I (still) doubt he has much.
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#283 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2013 10:42:13 AM | message detail
Anyone who goes through the Pokemon will be difficult to get a statistical read on. There's arguably a chasm of difference between a rallied and an unrallied Pokemon.
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#284 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/7/2013 10:44:12 AM | message detail
Lloyd is currently stronger than 18/27 characters in the division
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#285 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 10:49:23 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
BleedingRed posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
So this is day two of a Pokemon holding a pretty constant lead over characters we would expect to rise during the day (Cloud given his overall higher strength, Sora because he is probably the most day oriented character there is).
Seems pretty fishy to me!


Like I said yesterday, there was some pretty clear indication that Squirtle's voting trends were not legit against Cloud. The problem is that GameFAQs has never been able to catch stuffers and they probably never will (nor will they put forth the effort to do so).


The exact reverse was shown in that match. When to rallying topic was deleted, Squirtle did much worse. When it went back up, Squirtle went back to normal. Vote stuffing should not depend on whether a rally topic exists or not. Squirtle has abnormal trends to rallying not vote stuffing.


It wasn't the consistent trends that were worrisome moreso than the giant spikes Squirtle got every time Cloud looked like he was cutting a little bit. Cloud would take 3 or 4 updates in a row and bring down the lead by maybe 50, and then in 1 or 2 updates Squirtle would take it all back and then just hold steady? That's pretty fishy IMO.


Are you serious right now? you are calling this fishy?
Think a little out of the box
Whenever I saw Squirtle starting to lose updates I bumped the rally thread back to the main page -_-
#286 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/7/2013 10:49:59 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
So what does this match say about Lloyd Irving's strength?


He's almost guaranteed to get stronger next year with Symphonia HD being released on PS3.
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#287 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/7/2013 10:57:56 AM | message detail
Kefka vs. Sora, 24 hours

Does anyone take the upset?
And by upset, I mean Sora winning!
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#288 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/7/2013 11:01:00 AM | message detail
Sora is a FF7 character, look at those % gains all day!
#289 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/7/2013 11:07:51 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Kefka vs. Sora, 24 hours

Does anyone take the upset?
And by upset, I mean Sora winning!


*raises hand* I still can't trust Chokefka to do anything but, well, choke on his own lettuce patch. XD Also, FF6 has a sorry-ass day vote.
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#290 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/7/2013 11:07:57 AM | message detail
Sora keeps gradually gaining, but not fast enough.
#291 | pjbasis | Posted 9/7/2013 11:38:49 AM | message detail | (edited)
Snake is doomed


Snake - 15.25˘
GlaDOS - 8.42˘
Kefka - 8.38˘
Zack - 7.22˘
Ryu - 6.56˘

Altair - 5.85˘
Lara - 5.76˘
Alucard - 5.74˘
Falcon - 5.68˘
Epona - 5.57˘

Ike - 4.76˘
Proto Man - 4.69˘
Rydia - 4.38˘
Isaac - 4.35˘
Ratchet - 4.31˘
Bayonetta - 4.19˘
Eggman - 3.85˘
Mordin - 3.67˘
Cole - 3.42˘
Slime - 3.25˘
Shulk - 3.01˘

Ragna - 2.50˘
N - 2.44˘
Niko - 2.37˘
Wander - 1.84˘
Keen - 1.82˘
Yuri - 1.00˘

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Squirtle - 17.71˘
Cloud - 17.31˘
Dante - 12.67˘

Zidane - 9.79˘
Frog - 9.71˘
Ramza - 8.36˘
Ridley - 8.22˘

Lugia - 7.97˘
Leon - 6.25˘
Prinny - 6.19˘
Laharl - 5.40˘
Gordon - 5.27˘

Joe - 4.96˘
Jack - 4.68˘
Shadow - 4.22˘
Sly - 3.83˘
JC - 3.71˘
Wesker - 3.43˘
Raz - 3.02˘

Simon - 2.95˘
Yu - 2.77˘
Armstrong - 2.70˘
Oliver - 2.53˘
York - 1.60˘
Kat - 1.49˘
Hades - 1.44˘
Dancin' - 1.00˘
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#292 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/7/2013 11:41:54 AM | message detail
Well of course, how could Yuri possibly stand up to the monster that is Spring Breeze Dancin'
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#293 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/7/2013 11:49:31 AM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
Well of course, how could Yuri possibly stand up to the monster that is Spring Breeze Dancin'


GameFAQs implosion? Because honestly, putting two wimpolas in a match like that oughta result in one of those.
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#294 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/7/2013 11:48:48 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...

Falcon - 5.68˘
Epona - 5.57˘

Rydia - 4.38˘
Isaac - 4.35˘

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Leon - 6.25˘
Prinny - 6.19˘

Laharl - 5.40˘
Gordon - 5.27˘



I know which upsets I'm picking!
(lol Laharl above Gordon)
#295 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/7/2013 11:51:52 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Zidane - 9.79˘
Frog - 9.71˘


Zidane headbutt!
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#296 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:08:36 PM | message detail
These Chester stats look so much strange. When the contest ends we will have the craziest stats ever. And if Draven't doesn't win? First time that Link will not be in the top 3!!!
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#297 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:10:21 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
These Chester stats look so much strange. When the contest ends we will have the craziest stats ever. And if Draven't doesn't win? First time that Link will not be in the top 3!!!


Draven rallies don't appear, Mewtwo runs him into the ground
Chester is projected to beat someone
#298 | swordz9 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:12:03 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Yu - 2.77˘

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#299 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/7/2013 12:16:30 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
These Chester stats look so much strange.

Probably because they mean very little... x-stats from 3-ways, rallied polls. This contest doesn't indicate much of anything. I would be very hesitant to make changes to ranking the highest strength characters or games.
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#300 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/7/2013 12:25:10 PM | message detail
One day,we will know how LPF work and why Leon took it so bad