Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1158

#401 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:29:49 PM | message detail
So what the percentage will be? I guess above 10%, but less than 15%.
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#402 | ZFS | Posted 9/6/2013 4:30:49 PM | message detail
I said Mario/Cloud would be 50/50 before the contest started, figuring it was a match for the second strongest spot. Still think it's probably 50/50.
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#403 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:31:59 PM | message detail
What was the percent right for Dante/Squirtle/Zidane? I'd probably go with like 1/3 or 1/4 of that for the prediction percent for today.
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#404 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:32:31 PM | message detail
Well, I'd probably favor Mario because FF7 is liable to have slipped again by the next time we have one of these.

And I don't see the votals getting rehabilitated any time soon, which is about the only hope Cloud would really have of regaining some of his former glory.
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#405 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/6/2013 4:34:09 PM | message detail
Assuming normal vote totals don't increase or something, I'd take Mario there easily.

Even if you think that's a 50/50 match now (I don't!), it probably won't be by next contest.
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#406 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:35:07 PM | message detail
Going to sleep,lightning I can count on you to keep the rallies going!
Oh and I changed to Sora>Blue>Pikachu
This is so stupid it might actually work
#407 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/6/2013 4:35:26 PM | message detail
Nintendo might have also rebounded a bit by then. Sounds silly, but after the Wii and an invisible first year for Wii U, the company is possibly sitting on record-low ground in the eyes of voters (and that hurts Mario if you subscribe to the belief that he's a Nintendo proxy). Hell, maybe Sony and Microsoft will release such unimpressive consoles that Nintendo will seem better by default.
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#408 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:35:48 PM | message detail
If Mario/Cloud isn't 50/50 right now, Crono/Cloud would almost certainly be a barnburner.

...which I can buy, honestly. Setting up Crono/Cloud with the winner facing off against Mario could be a cool series.
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#409 | WhiteLens | Posted 9/6/2013 4:36:55 PM | message detail
So we're all in agreement of Mewtwo > Sephiroth right?

Now the question is whether or not the Draven rally will actually die down.
People say that the Draven rally posts will have been banned, but I'm not buying that, and only think it was for that one match.
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#410 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:38:03 PM | message detail
It's wholly dependent on the fickleness of the LoL subreddit moderators. It's not an understatement to say that a single mod could easily control the outcome of this contest.
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#411 | tgs2 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:38:22 PM | message detail
Blatant Draven rally threads will be deleted, but general discussion about the contest he is in is not, which people here or the LoL board will use as a proxy for rallying Draven anyways.
#412 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:40:12 PM | message detail
They tossed up blatant Draven rallies at the end of the match in addition to the proxy rally to blunt Link's final comeback push, and the mods did nothing. It's complete and utter fickleness on their part. There is no consistency.
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#413 | ZFS | Posted 9/6/2013 4:40:40 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
Nintendo might have also rebounded a bit by then. Sounds silly, but after the Wii and an invisible first year for Wii U, the company is possibly sitting on record-low ground in the eyes of voters (and that hurts Mario if you subscribe to the belief that he's a Nintendo proxy). Hell, maybe Sony and Microsoft will release such unimpressive consoles that Nintendo will seem better by default.


If any Nintendo rebound happens, it'll have to come from Nintendo themselves versus their competition not doing well. Every big game people want will be coming to PS/Xbox, not Wii U. The biggest hope for any Nintendo rebound would be Smash and Zelda, and even that won't get them into the same level of domination they had in 2005-2008. Of course, the field being so close together as is, it might be big enough to seem that way. Nintendo would be looking real bad this contest if Square was even at their 2005-2007 levels, I think.
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#414 | ZFS | Posted 9/6/2013 4:41:34 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mario/Cloud isn't 50/50 right now, Crono/Cloud would almost certainly be a barnburner.

...which I can buy, honestly. Setting up Crono/Cloud with the winner facing off against Mario could be a cool series.


This sounds familiar!
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#415 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/6/2013 4:42:47 PM | message detail
WhiteLens posted...
So we're all in agreement of Mewtwo > Sephiroth right?

Now the question is whether or not the Draven rally will actually die down.
People say that the Draven rally posts will have been banned, but I'm not buying that, and only think it was for that one match.


I really don't know why we are expecting Mewtwo to be the threat to Draven, and not Seph. If you believe in Sore Thumb Factor being a huge factor in the Kirby and Squirtle matches, Mewtwo won't be getting any of that. I also don't think he has quite the rallying potential either, while Seph proved he could get the job done last round.
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#416 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:45:59 PM | message detail
WhiteLens posted...
So we're all in agreement of Mewtwo > Sephiroth right?

Now the question is whether or not the Draven rally will actually die down.
People say that the Draven rally posts will have been banned, but I'm not buying that, and only think it was for that one match.


This match proved we should stick with Mewtwo and I hope the regular voters understand this as well
But this match can also backfire,Pokemon dominating too much already annoyed a few people
#417 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:48:51 PM | message detail
It really won't matter who rallies over what. If the subreddit mods stop the rallying, Mewtwo or Sephiroth will advance. If not, neither has what it takes to beat Draven. Even the ridiculous amount of rallies today are nothing compared to the potential of Draven rallying. Link went up against a weakened version of it with almost nothing holding him back and came up short.
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#418 | Lopen | Posted 9/6/2013 4:49:11 PM | message detail
Random dredging up of an old (pointless) topic from earlier today but Pokemon is totally John Cena and KP was right on that. John Cena could very well still be on 0 reigns if:

1. 80s Hulk Hogan (Link) was still wrestling for his entire career.
2. There were only ~10 reigns to be had total.
3. He was stuck in the rapper Cena character for over half of those potential reigns.

Cena first and foremost is about "overcoming the odds" and trying to maintain the illusion that the odds are against him, like Pokemon. Saying "oh Pokemon hasn't won a contest" is just focusing on an insignificant part of the equation.
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#419 | ItGetsWorse | Posted 9/6/2013 4:50:01 PM | message detail
So is this lightning guy just posting rallies on reddit for no reason? What a supreme douche.
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#420 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/6/2013 4:50:59 PM | message detail
If Draven is able to stuff a few thousand votes again, it also won't matter.
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#421 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:52:02 PM | message detail
He's been posting rallies everywhere. It's odious but I think he's doing it as much as an explicit criticism to Bacon's short-sighted 'personal army' quote as anything else.
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#422 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/6/2013 4:52:16 PM | message detail
I figure KH's adjustments in Mario/Crono/MMX are probably a little generous to Crono. Day match trends change a bit when you don't have the night/morning vote beforehand and Crono's day vote probably isn't going to be nearly as bad it used to. We no longer have much of an ASV and Frog already said "screw you" to the established CT trends, right? So 55+% for Mario rather than 53%. Crono/Cloud could still be close, though that's more because I see Cloud being weak than Crono being all that.

On a side note, this is why rallies for FFVII don't happen:

http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/threads/58768-Right-now-on-Gamefaqs-Cloud-is-fighting?s=ae9adb42307a3bdb0914b0574c1970ef
http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/threads/58767-Cloud-could-use-some-votes?s=bd85b2be7cfe406e812795418fe410e1
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#423 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/6/2013 4:52:30 PM | message detail
Cloud fans! We only need 400 votes! That's nothing! Just rally, say, 5 people each.....
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#424 | snoocete | Posted 9/6/2013 4:56:22 PM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
It really won't matter who rallies over what. If the subreddit mods stop the rallying, Mewtwo or Sephiroth will advance. If not, neither has what it takes to beat Draven. Even the ridiculous amount of rallies today are nothing compared to the potential of Draven rallying. Link went up against a weakened version of it with almost nothing holding him back and came up short.


I've seen this belief on this topic and on the Mewtwo rallying thread and on the SBAllen fat thread and maybe a few others... this is unfounded. The mods on the LoL subreddit didn't stop the rallying during Draven vs Link.

The only reason why the original rally topic disappeared was because the creator deleted it. Otherwise it would have held up for the rest of the match.
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#425 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/6/2013 4:54:31 PM | message detail
KH's day/night adjustment is too generous to Crono, but his LFF adjustment is too generous to Mario. 53% is right. Maybe 54%.
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#426 | SubDeity | Posted 9/6/2013 4:55:49 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
He's been posting rallies everywhere. It's odious but I think he's doing it as much as an explicit criticism to Bacon's short-sighted 'personal army' quote as anything else.


What makes it odious?
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#427 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:57:43 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
He's been posting rallies everywhere. It's odious but I think he's doing it as much as an explicit criticism to Bacon's short-sighted 'personal army' quote as anything else.


Pretty much
#428 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:00:32 PM | message detail
Though personally I wouldn't be spending all day driving up traffic for Bacon to make that point! I really don't think he cares about any particular result outside of Link losing (or... really, what the regulars in general think at all).
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#429 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/6/2013 5:00:39 PM | message detail
lightning, you gave us Vivi > Mario, so I can't be too angry at you. That result was one of the best we've had in years. And it gave us the match I've wanted to see for so long. Best birthday present ever.

Today's "upset" is horrible, though. FFVII losing isn't funny at this point, it's just depressing. It's like Squirtle using his water cannon on Cloud while Cloud has both hands tied behind his back and is intoxicated from an overdose of Lon Lon Milk.
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#430 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:02:39 PM | message detail
It's still funny though because even a weakened Cloud would still get all the way to Draven probably unless Sora held him back and Snake beat him.
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#431 | Sorozone | Posted 9/6/2013 5:05:04 PM | message detail
Guy is dedicated....but he is routinely f***ing up my expert.
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#432 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/6/2013 5:05:48 PM | message detail
Come on Zelda fans, FFVII is no longer your enemy! Cloud presented his surrender to our king, like, 7 years ago! We don't have to anti-vote them anymore!

Turn your hatred to a new target, a far greater threat......the character who wins so-called "upsets" every year. The character who has equaled some of your displays of power this year, and who held you down for 6 full hours. And I don't mean a joke. I mean Solid Snake.
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#433 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/6/2013 5:06:21 PM | message detail
Except there's no realistic scenario where Cloud beats Snake there, regardless of who the third character ends up being. Pikachu/Blue winning that match is far more likely than Cloud doing so.
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#434 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:07:12 PM | message detail
Oh he's obviously going for his favorites as much as anything. The Bacon rationale is probably true to some extent, but it obviously functions as a smokescreen for that.
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#435 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/6/2013 5:11:02 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If Mario/Cloud isn't 50/50 right now, Crono/Cloud would almost certainly be a barnburner.

...which I can buy, honestly. Setting up Crono/Cloud with the winner facing off against Mario could be a cool series.


cloud woud stomp Crono. mild SFF
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#436 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/6/2013 5:11:07 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
It's still funny though because even a weakened Cloud would still get all the way to Draven probably unless Sora held him back and Snake beat him.


You're joking, right? The FFVII crew had already weakened to the point that Snake was able to beat Sephiroth in the last 1v1 contest. You really think Cloud could beat Snake unless Snake was being LFFed?
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#437 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/6/2013 5:13:49 PM | message detail
I think my sig has been wrong for the last year and a half. Link is a 6-time champion, not 7. The other 4 wins were for OOT, the series, MM, and Link/Ganon.
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#438 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/6/2013 5:13:52 PM | message detail
abdou posted...
The contest is already one big joke, Mario losing to Vivi, Link is already gone, etc


how is Mario losing to Vivi a joke? Link got cheated out of winning. Big difference. Mario is just crap.
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#439 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:15:14 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
swordz9 posted...
It's still funny though because even a weakened Cloud would still get all the way to Draven probably unless Sora held him back and Snake beat him.


You're joking, right? The FFVII crew had already weakened to the point that Snake was able to beat Sephiroth in the last 1v1 contest. You really think Cloud could beat Snake unless Snake was being LFFed?

Even if he can't he's still stronger than a majority of characters on this site so seeing him lose to a turtle is hilarious. I'd laugh if this was any of the N9 losing to Squirtle.
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#440 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:16:28 PM | message detail
Link/Shepard/Draven and Mario/Vivi/Ganondorf have one important thing in common - the more popular character did not win their match. Whether that was due to rally flooding and comeback-breaking downtime or Ganondorf leeching Mario, the result is the same. We have less popular characters winning in a popularity contest.

That's the beauty of multiways.
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#441 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/6/2013 5:20:17 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
It's still funny though because even a weakened Cloud would still get all the way to Draven probably unless Sora held him back and Snake beat him.


Snake would beat Cloud 1v1 right now. He got 53 against seph and 48 against cloud last time. That gap is much larger, would 55-45 seph and get 51-52 on cloud.
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#442 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/6/2013 5:22:19 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Link/Shepard/Draven and Mario/Vivi/Ganondorf have one important thing in common - the more popular character did not win their match. Whether that was due to rally flooding and comeback-breaking downtime or Ganondorf leeching Mario, the result is the same. We have less popular characters winning in a popularity contest.

That's the beauty of multiways.


read what you just typed out. It doesn't make any sense.
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#443 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:24:10 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
swordz9 posted...
It's still funny though because even a weakened Cloud would still get all the way to Draven probably unless Sora held him back and Snake beat him.


Snake would beat Cloud 1v1 right now. He got 53 against seph and 48 against cloud last time. That gap is much larger, would 55-45 seph and get 51-52 on cloud.


what
either Snake scores higher on Sephiroth then 55-45 or he's actually about even with Cloud, unless for some inexplicable reason Cloud and Sephiroth are closer than before
#444 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:26:16 PM | message detail
Yeah Snake should be a good bit higher than both those estimates, though they're not thrashing blowouts or anything.

It'll be hard to tell next round because Squirtle will be even stronger. If Snake can pull it off it will be very impressive.
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#445 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 9/6/2013 5:27:09 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
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Today's "upset" is horrible, though. FFVII losing isn't funny at this point, it's just depressing. It's like Squirtle using his water cannon on Cloud while Cloud has both hands tied behind his back and is intoxicated from an overdose of Lon Lon Milk.


I would find that quite hilarious.

This result isn't hilarious though, just glorious.
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#446 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:29:25 PM | message detail
As glorious as the Glorious Executioner who has come to take his rightful throne.
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#447 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/6/2013 5:29:35 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
The_Djoker posted...
swordz9 posted...
It's still funny though because even a weakened Cloud would still get all the way to Draven probably unless Sora held him back and Snake beat him.


Snake would beat Cloud 1v1 right now. He got 53 against seph and 48 against cloud last time. That gap is much larger, would 55-45 seph and get 51-52 on cloud.


what
either Snake scores higher on Sephiroth then 55-45 or he's actually about even with Cloud, unless for some inexplicable reason Cloud and Sephiroth are closer than before


they probably are with these crap votals.
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#448 | TheRock1525 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:32:51 PM | message detail
So how many votes does Cloud have to make an update to win this?
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#449 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 9/6/2013 5:33:04 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
As glorious as the Glorious Executioner who has come to take his rightful throne.


I have no problem with Draven, he's pretty cool. You know, based on actual Draven and not "OMG Draven rigged the contest forever".

But the best pokémon in the bracket beating the poster-child of the most overrated franchise in gaming? Yeah, that's pretty awesome in my book.
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#450 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/6/2013 5:33:16 PM | message detail
This result is either good or bad depending on tomorrow. If one of the pokemon characters gets through it's a good. We need mroe pokemon against each other ,it's the only way these things will lose. The only pokemon i want getting to Final is Trainer Red. That's it.

Snake/Draven/Red
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