Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1157

#351 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2013 8:32:30 AM | message detail
I didn't bother responding to the rest of your post because it can be summed up as "No, I'm not" when your attitude (and the attitude of Pokemon fans throughout the entire contest) completely goes against it. You certainly act like Pokemon is the underdog in almost every match it's in, yes.

And I don't paint you as morons, I paint you as people who completely fail to realize that their chosen champions have become the John Cenas of these contests.
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#352 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2013 8:34:10 AM | message detail
I don't even like Zelda. I'm certainly not rallying her over Charizard!

Asking people to 'rally better' against Pokemon is basically like Allen telling us to 'go find your own army', anyway. Virtually every rallyable place on the internet would side would have looked at my link and voted for Charizard.
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#353 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/6/2013 8:34:19 AM | message detail
It's gone beyond normal dislike, is my point. It's become kind of cartoonish and sad and if KP wants to put me in one absurd category, I'll simply put you all in one I like to call "would literally eat their own scrotum to see Pokemon lose". At least mine is based in some sort of vague truth!
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#354 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 8:36:00 AM | message detail
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I really don't get all this pokemon hate. If you don't like the game, don't vote for it. Simple. Stop complaining that other people have different tastes than yours.

Even the Link hate made more sense than this, because he was the champion and everyone wanted to see the champion losing. Pokemon is just... pokemon.


Pokemon was anti-voted,then they became an underdog,and now they are dominating the place
To be honest,it was a steady increase in power and people shouldn't be annoyed at it
It's not out of the blue,there is a very steady increase ever since 2008
Trainers getting 3rd place in RR was a good indicator for what was going to happen in this contest,but people just go and "lol Rivalry Rumble doesn't count"
And Charizard was considered a fraud because of HGSS release...and still considering one because he was even with Zelda

I can understand being annoyed that there are too many of them,but considering the fact none of them is Noble Nine level (and by that I mean old Noble Nine) it's fine
You don't see Jigglypuff beating Link...Squirtle beating Cloud after FFVII fell off a skytower is fine
#355 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 8:37:16 AM | message detail
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?
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#356 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 8:38:05 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


*oversells*
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#357 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2013 8:38:22 AM | message detail
If by 'dislike', you mean 'ennui', then yes. Watching Pokemon get rallied constantly while taking advantage of an absurd amount of LFF advantages while the fanbase acted like they did got pretty old pretty fast.

P.S. I love Pokemon in general.
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#358 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 8:39:14 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
Nanis23 posted...
BleedingRed posted...
Rallies only working in 'close' matches doesn't really pan out in this contest. This match wouldn't be remotely close without the consistent rallying that Squirtle is getting. Again, by the end of the day Cloud would be up by over 6000 votes without the kind of fervent rallying Squirtle is getting.


6000 is overestimation by far...try 2000
This is three ways,vote totals are crap,Squirtle is stronger than Kirby,Cloud is stronger than Sepihorth


20 votes per update, 12 updates per hour, 24 hours. Do the math. On top of which it's likely that Cloud is still going to eat into this lead/get a lead himself before the end of the match increasing that number.


But the rally wasn't up all day and won't be up all day
And I only calculated Squirtle votes from rally,Cloud benefits from it as well (maybe 2 votes per update,but still)
#359 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 8:39:27 AM | message detail
It's gone beyond normal dislike, is my point. It's become kind of cartoonish and sad

kind of like your hate of final fantasy!
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#360 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 8:40:24 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
If by 'dislike', you mean 'ennui', then yes. Watching Pokemon get rallied constantly while taking advantage of an absurd amount of LFF advantages while the fanbase acted like they did got pretty old pretty fast.

P.S. I love Pokemon in general.


Didn't you claim that RED had a favorable bracket position?

You know, the guy with a fellow Pokemon AND Mario in his division?
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#361 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 8:40:29 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


Are you suggesting the wrestling audience has a disposition for posing and fronting with no substance behind it? I'm not sure I can stretch to these wild claims.
#362 | Kinglicious | Posted 9/6/2013 8:41:01 AM | message detail
It's possible for certain characters in a strong series to be the underdogs. Blue wasn't against fox and wolf. Pikachu and crono/magus could be argued but he's evidently stronger than I remembered. Magikarp against mega man was. But you can do a similar breakdown for characters in the Zelda or Mario series too. Sometimes the character is favored and sometimes they aren't. Different characters and all that.


Now if mega man can beat charizard he stands a chance at being the Pokemon killer. Killed one in the first round, he's ready to do it again.
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#363 | Averia | Posted 9/6/2013 8:42:29 AM | message detail
Since we are back on Pokemon what was up with Mewtwo ? It was pretty consistent and didn't look like a rallying and I'm not sure about Bowser SFFing Sonic a lot more than Mewtwo.
#364 | GloryChaos | Posted 9/6/2013 8:42:38 AM | message detail
So it looks like Megaman and Zero are going to take Blast burns to the face while lying down at this rate.
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#365 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 8:43:48 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
BleedingRed posted...
Nanis23 posted...
BleedingRed posted...
Rallies only working in 'close' matches doesn't really pan out in this contest. This match wouldn't be remotely close without the consistent rallying that Squirtle is getting. Again, by the end of the day Cloud would be up by over 6000 votes without the kind of fervent rallying Squirtle is getting.


6000 is overestimation by far...try 2000
This is three ways,vote totals are crap,Squirtle is stronger than Kirby,Cloud is stronger than Sepihorth


20 votes per update, 12 updates per hour, 24 hours. Do the math. On top of which it's likely that Cloud is still going to eat into this lead/get a lead himself before the end of the match increasing that number.


But the rally wasn't up all day and won't be up all day
And I only calculated Squirtle votes from rally,Cloud benefits from it as well (maybe 2 votes per update,but still)


Nah, they've been up all day in varying forms. The raw votals that BR is postulating are still off because Squirtle wasn't getting as many rallied votes overnight due to 4chan not being as active, but thousands of votes by the end is probably a good, even conservative estimate.

And with that, I'm off.
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#366 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/6/2013 8:45:53 AM | message detail | (edited)
The Mana Sword posted...
It's gone beyond normal dislike, is my point. It's become kind of cartoonish and sad

kind of like your hate of final fantasy!


At least I'm self-aware! Like the topic where I argued Mizno was an underdog because he was against an FF character and FF Always Wins, and I don't differentiate Tidus and Squall and whoever else because they're all just as crap and it starts to blend together after a while worked pretty amazingly well, mostly because while I would never actually think that, it's not lightyears away from what I actually believe (they're both bad, most FF characters are bad - with a couple of exceptions - but I could still tier them and differentiate between them if I cared to do so).

I don't even like Zelda. I'm certainly not rallying her over Charizard!

Asking people to 'rally better' against Pokemon is basically like Allen telling us to 'go find your own army', anyway. Virtually every rallyable place on the internet would side would have looked at my link and voted for Charizard.


Well firstly, John Cena is a 13-time champion. Pokemon still has 0 championship wins. It always runs into a bigger menace at the end. You've made that comparison before and it's just as wrong now as it was then.

Secondly - find specific places, specific people. If Pokemon always wins in close matches, affect the close matches. Like I said, 15 is close enough to be affected by one person. Or 10 people, like in Trainers/CloudandSeph. Or 23 people, like Mizno/Tidus. These are close enough for you to find specific people to get votes. I'm not talking about an army. I'm not even talking about a platoon.

And if you don't like Zelda don't complain about the match. You didn't dislike Pokemon's dominance enough to rally against it, this much is abundantly clear. Why not? Are you taking some moral stand against rallying? Give me a break. The only problem here is you lacked the conviction to follow through on your hate and now you're whining about it.
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#367 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 8:46:14 AM | message detail
I don't follow what XIII and KP are arguing over but
Pre contest-Missingno was clear favorite over Tidus,was debateable against Squall
After Tidus match,Squall was the favorite...after L-Block beat Tidus,it became debateable again
Missingno was never the favorite against Squall nor underdog

Jigglypuff was not underdog,it was obvious she would lose
N was "underdog" but seriously most people predicted him to lose and he did
Charizard was and should have been the clear favorite against Zelda..no idea what happened there
Mewtwo WAS the underdog against Sonic...even though KH made valid points as to why he was supposed to win
Mewtwo against Vincent was debateable,he wasn't an underdog
Squirtle is a total underdog here

TLDR Most Pokemon matches aside from this and Mewtwo>Sonic were predicted correctly
#368 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2013 8:46:28 AM | message detail
At least I'm self-aware!

This remains to be seen.

I don't really care about who won Zelda/Zard, I'm simply saying that if you thought that match was really 'exciting' or 'anyone's game' or 'Zelda fans can rally too' then you are completely and utterly deluding yourself in every way possible.
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#369 | Kinglicious | Posted 9/6/2013 8:46:52 AM | message detail
Mario series doesn't seem to sff Pokemon well. Didn't in 2010 with charizard, didn't seem to this year either. Mario and Sonic series is a different story.
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#370 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 8:47:58 AM | message detail
Averia posted...
Since we are back on Pokemon what was up with Mewtwo ? It was pretty consistent and didn't look like a rallying and I'm not sure about Bowser SFFing Sonic a lot more than Mewtwo.


If Squirtle is strong enough to put 47% on Cloud,Mewtwo can beat Sonic without Bowser in the poll
#371 | Whupassman | Posted 9/6/2013 8:48:51 AM | message detail
Franz

Wrestling terms can be applied wehter you like it or not.

No salt or Malice in my post. Just saying.
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#372 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 8:52:03 AM | message detail
Whupassman posted...
Franz

Wrestling terms can be applied wehter you like it or not.

No salt or Malice in my post. Just saying.


Oh I love wrestling terms being thrown around, but if you're going to use them use them correctly! People calling dudes becoming heroes heel turns or going "0-TIME CHAMPION POKEMON IS JOHN CENA" is worth commenting on.
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#373 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 8:54:58 AM | message detail
Well I mean it's not REALLY worth commenting on but it's worthwhile in the context of discussions of internet popularity contests for video game characters.
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#374 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2013 8:57:00 AM | message detail
The next few hours are probably Cloud's best chance to make a comeback and run away with the poll.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
#375 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/6/2013 8:57:33 AM | message detail
Clouds starting to make things interesting again (Hopefully I don't jinx it and squirtle spikes next update)
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#376 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/6/2013 8:58:56 AM | message detail
So, have I mentioned that I'm REALLY freaking tired of the rallies in this contest?
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#377 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 8:59:55 AM | message detail
Just imagine if this contest was 512-character 4-ways!
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#378 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:01:54 AM | message detail
Squirtle is starting to look like he'll lose this ugh.
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#379 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/6/2013 9:02:54 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
If by 'dislike', you mean 'ennui', then yes. Watching Pokemon get rallied constantly while taking advantage of an absurd amount of LFF advantages while the fanbase acted like they did got pretty old pretty fast.

P.S. I love Pokemon in general.


I like Pokémon too, but the lucky bracket placement most of their representatives got just makes me sick.
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#380 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/6/2013 9:03:16 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Just imagine if this contest was 512-character 4-ways!


I'd rather not.
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#381 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:05:00 AM | message detail
I like to think Pokemon getting some favorable bracket placements makes up for the awful placement of every FF aside from 7 and maybe 4 >_>
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#382 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/6/2013 9:05:41 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Squirtle is starting to look like he'll lose this ugh.


Was there ever any doubt? The only character with the actual rallying power to beat one of Link/Cloud/Snake/Seph is Draven. I guess L-Block too, but it was a different situation back then with most of GameFAQs behind it, too.
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#383 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 9:06:46 AM | message detail
eaglesarebeasts posted...
Clouds starting to make things interesting again (Hopefully I don't jinx it and squirtle spikes next update)


LOOK WHAT YOU DID
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#384 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:07:30 AM | message detail
>Doubting the turtle
#385 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/6/2013 9:08:06 AM | message detail
Well to fair I said that two updates ago. But god this match is so annoying.
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#386 | squexa | Posted 9/6/2013 9:08:12 AM | message detail
Yeah Squirtle got this. This is basically Zelda/Zard all over again.

Poor Leon :(
#387 | nintendogirl2 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:08:50 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


BAH GAWD. SQUIRTLE OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A SUPLEX OF AN UPDATE! THAT WAS THE BEST UPDATE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.
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#388 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 9:09:59 AM | message detail
nintendogirl2 posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


BAH GAWD. SQUIRTLE OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A SUPLEX OF AN UPDATE! THAT WAS THE BEST UPDATE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.


THE GREATEST UPDATE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT!

DID YOU REALIZE SNAKE IS EKANS BACKWARDS, DON?
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#389 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:10:08 AM | message detail
512 characters is scary to think about, like you would have to go to games/series very few people have ever played or scrape the bottom of major games/series like random piece of FFVII furniture and about 100 Pokemon.
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#390 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:10:09 AM | message detail
What the hell was this update like seriously
#391 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/6/2013 9:10:13 AM | message detail
nintendogirl2 posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


BAH GAWD. SQUIRTLE OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A SUPLEX OF AN UPDATE! THAT WAS THE BEST UPDATE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.


XD
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#392 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 9:10:31 AM | message detail
Or Jecht.
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#393 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/6/2013 9:11:31 AM | message detail
Another huge update for Squirtle.
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#394 | nintendogirl2 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:12:19 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
nintendogirl2 posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


BAH GAWD. SQUIRTLE OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A SUPLEX OF AN UPDATE! THAT WAS THE BEST UPDATE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.


THE GREATEST UPDATE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT!

DID YOU REALIZE SNAKE IS EKANS BACKWARDS, DON?


GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! THEY'VE KILLED HIM! AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF!
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#395 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/6/2013 9:12:41 AM | message detail
No way those two updates were legit. At some point stuffing is going to have to be dealt with.
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#396 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:13:43 AM | message detail
CLOUD TRIED TO COMEBACK, BUT TORE HIS QUAD.

Am I doing the wrestling thing right?
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#397 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/6/2013 9:13:59 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
No way those two updates were legit. At some point stuffing is going to have to be dealt with.


Dude.... Only Guybrush stuffs. Everything else is 100% legit.
#398 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 9:14:19 AM | message detail
nintendogirl2 posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
nintendogirl2 posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling lots of people use wrestling terms to try to be cool without having any clue what they mean?


BAH GAWD. SQUIRTLE OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A SUPLEX OF AN UPDATE! THAT WAS THE BEST UPDATE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.


THE GREATEST UPDATE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT!

DID YOU REALIZE SNAKE IS EKANS BACKWARDS, DON?


GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! THEY'VE KILLED HIM! AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF!


OH MY GOD, JR, THAT'S TIFA'S MUSIC!

*WELLLLLLL, IT'S THE BIG HOOOOOOO*
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#399 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:15:02 AM | message detail
In terms of character quality,I don't think a 512 character bracket can be bad
The problem is with variety,as a game with better story will have better characters (if we go by the "nominate good characters" instead of "nominate from every game possible" path)
The Ace Attorney series got so many characters that by video game standards,they are top tier
Dahlia,Matt,Von Karma,Dick Gumshoe,Damon Gant..etc
The problem is that even though they are great characters,they will be so weak they are going to be food for stronger characters anyway
There really isn't any reason to have a character battle with more than 128 characters
#400 | xXkewls0358 | Posted 9/6/2013 9:16:09 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
The next few hours are probably Cloud's best chance to make a comeback and run away with the poll.


No, cloud's chance was passed by when he didn't take a good lead over the night. See red/blue vs cloud/seph in the rivals. It's a bandwagon effect the longer the fight stays close the more that jump on board and pokemon has more communities to hop on that wagon than FFVII ...or final fantasy in general does.

This match was over this morning.
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