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I'm okay with Squirtle winning through rallies.

As long as he wins.
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Nanis23 posted...

With another update for Squirtle,this time 86,he put the average to 84...so if you want,19-20 rallied votes per update

I think it's enough "data" for now
Of course,those things might change drasticly depending on time of the end and the rallied character,but this is what a "successful 4chan rally" looks like
Nothing impressive,but with our low vote totals this is still something

2600+ votes is pretty impressive given the format.
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And this is exactly why I don't like rallies. Right now, one person has the power in his hands to decide who wins this match. If he decides to rally for Squirtle, then Squirtle wins. If he chooses not to then Cloud will win. It really drains the fun out of the contest and goes against the spirit of a popularity contest.

ESPECIALLY when there's a cash prize on the line. A person could manipulate the contest so that he wins the cash and that is completely unfair.
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Draven was only hated since his rally was literally unstoppable. If Squirtle was pulling in 800 votes an update it wouldn't really be any better >_>
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Everyone can do that. Go to random sites and games and have people rally for the character you want.
Also can someone rallies for Cloud? It is unfair that only Squirtle get's rallied.
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cyko posted...

And this is exactly why I don't like rallies. Right now, one person has the power in his hands to decide who wins this match. If he decides to rally for Squirtle, then Squirtle wins. If he chooses not to then Cloud will win. It really drains the fun out of the contest and goes against the spirit of a popularity contest.

ESPECIALLY when there's a cash prize on the line. A person could manipulate the contest so that he wins the cash and that is completely unfair.

I totally agree and this is why Allen suggesting for people "to rally their own personal army" is a major issue for the future of these contests.

It's just too bad that this contest is going to be more about what fanbases are most connected to the internet/community rather than which are actually more popular (not that I'm saying it's necessarily a bad thing). It's just that FF doesn't encourage the same kind of interaction/community that games like LoL and Pokemon do (same thing for LoZ, Sonic and so on...although it affects them less given that they do appear in games like SSBM).
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I don't think there's much of a difference between this and Draven! It's just a matter of scale. The margin of victory isn't the thing that matters at the end of the day, only the ultimate victor. In that sense, Draven is exactly what we've been asking for.

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cyko posted...

And this is exactly why I don't like rallies. Right now, one person has the power in his hands to decide who wins this match. If he decides to rally for Squirtle, then Squirtle wins. If he chooses not to then Cloud will win. It really drains the fun out of the contest and goes against the spirit of a popularity contest.

ESPECIALLY when there's a cash prize on the line. A person could manipulate the contest so that he wins the cash and that is completely unfair.

Maybe you should counterrally instead of being a whiner.
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Pokemon has a more immediate and rallyable fanbase because it's more popular than FF7 worldwide.

More popular. Than FF7. Worldwide. Especially online. So ralliers are just tapping into that popularity. It's the same principle as the LoL rally, it's just LoL came in such volume it was lame.
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Karma Hunter posted...

I don't think there's much of a difference between this and Draven! It's just a matter of scale. The margin of victory isn't the thing that matters at the end of the day, only the ultimate victor. In that sense, Draven is exactly what we've been asking for.

Not the hero we need - the hero we deserve.

I deserve better.
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Karma Hunter posted...

I don't think there's much of a difference between this and Draven! It's just a matter of scale. The margin of victory isn't the thing that matters at the end of the day, only the ultimate victor. In that sense, Draven is exactly what we've been asking for.

Not the hero we need - the hero we deserve.

It's true. This contest has become a contest of rallying, and Draven is the king of rallying.
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Thinking about it, I think I'd rather the rally back up.

I want Squirtle to win now purely because screw this entire contest.

We've become Gamespot. There needs to be some kind of stricter measures placed on future contests.
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Draven is hated because his rally is stupid,as I pointed out this rally for Squirtle only gave him 20 votes per update,compared to Draven 200 per update
We are going to have a contest champion that almost got doubled by Chie...and only 15% of the people surfing this site prefer over Jak and Chie
Pushing a popular characters a little is fine,but making Draven being able to beat Link was so damn stupid I can't help but hate him

Unless,of course,you don't consider this "GameFAQs character battle contest" but a "Internet character battle contest hosted on GameFAQs" then it's fine

Well I still think there's a huge difference between Squirtle winning by 200-300 votes and Draven making Ryu and Mega Man X look like Chester.
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This thing works wonders
Squirtle is now gaining again

What we need is for some way to rehabilitate our votals. I'm fine with rallying being the decider of a 50/50 match like it was in the past. Right now, though, a handful of fans frantically rallying on /v/ and /vp/ will conceivably turn the tide of a 55/45 match.

I'm less okay with that, but I've accepted that as being part of something like Pokemon's intrinsic strength long ago. It's not anyone's fault. Fans will rally, can't blame them for that. It's the votals.
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Nanis23 posted...

Draven is hated because his rally is stupid,as I pointed out this rally for Squirtle only gave him 20 votes per update,compared to Draven 200 per update
We are going to have a contest champion that almost got doubled by Chie...and only 15% of the people surfing this site prefer over Jak and Chie
Pushing a popular characters a little is fine,but making Draven being able to beat Link was so damn stupid I can't help but hate him

Unless,of course,you don't consider this "GameFAQs character battle contest" but a "Internet character battle contest hosted on GameFAQs" then it's fine

Sorry, but I don't see the difference between the Draven rally and the Squirtle rally.

If you assume only 20 votes per update to be rallying (I'm sure that there were more, but let's use that as a baseline) that's still almost 6000 votes. In a 1v1 I don't think that would make as big of a difference, but given this votal era and it being a 3way (despite it only being Leon, who is almost definitely only leeching votes from Cloud) that is a significant number.
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Fans will rally, can't blame them for that.

speak for yourself
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Calm down guys this means that Vivi is winning the contest
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Yeah, Squirtle didn't win a single update when the rallies went down. He hasn't lost a single update since they've gone back up.

They are clearly a potentially decisive factor in this match. It's fascinating from a stats point of view. And it also means Kay Aitch was right !!

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Squirtle is getting some real bandwagon support too for this match. If rallies are 20 votes that is an incredible amount of power in the little guy.
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I guess you guys can start panicking if/when Squirtle is beating Snake even with Sora in the poll.
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Well Pokemon in general have been acting as joke characters in this thing, so a bandwagon seems natural.
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Karma Hunter posted...

I don't think there's much of a difference between this and Draven! It's just a matter of scale. The margin of victory isn't the thing that matters at the end of the day, only the ultimate victor. In that sense, Draven is exactly what we've been asking for.

Not the hero we need - the hero we deserve.

Oh the margin of victory absolutely matters. It's an excess. If something happens in too much excess, it's not good. I don't mind rallies, but Draven is absolutely "too much of a good thing" in that his rally - during MMX/Ryu at least - was so effective that it becomes ridiculous.

Say what you want about Pokemon but its heavily rallied matches now constitute 3 of the top 5 closest matches of all time. Now granted, it won all 3, but there's some luck in there. If 8 of the thousands of rallied Charizard voters had decided they preferred Zelda as a kid and voted Zelda, Zard loses. Pokemon might win all its close matches, but they're still close matches. Even after years of Pokemon winning in these situations, nobody actually gave up on Zelda in those last 15 minutes when it looked like she might make the comeback.

I guess you could say Pokemon's rally is "too much of a good thing" too, and it is more widespread, but it also leads to good matches. I personally think this contest would have been very mediocre without the Pokemon involved.
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BleedingRed posted...

Nanis23 posted...

Draven is hated because his rally is stupid,as I pointed out this rally for Squirtle only gave him 20 votes per update,compared to Draven 200 per update
We are going to have a contest champion that almost got doubled by Chie...and only 15% of the people surfing this site prefer over Jak and Chie
Pushing a popular characters a little is fine,but making Draven being able to beat Link was so damn stupid I can't help but hate him

Unless,of course,you don't consider this "GameFAQs character battle contest" but a "Internet character battle contest hosted on GameFAQs" then it's fine

Sorry, but I don't see the difference between the Draven rally and the Squirtle rally.

If you assume only 20 votes per update to be rallying (I'm sure that there were more, but let's use that as a baseline) that's still almost 6000 votes. In a 1v1 I don't think that would make as big of a difference, but given this votal era and it being a 3way (despite it only being Leon, who is almost definitely only leeching votes from Cloud) that is a significant number.

This is a matter of scale
If 90% of the people here are happy with Link as a champion,than great..let him be champion
But if only 20% are happy with Draven as a champion,then clearly we have failed somewhere

Compare this with 54% of the people want Cloud to win,but 46% want Squirtle to win..if Squirtle ends up winning,there are only 8% unpleased voters instead of 70%

Uh, Squirtle should benefit from Sora's presence, not Snake. And Squirtle could easily beat Snake if he slips by here. A stronger rally would be enough to make up the strength difference between Cloud and Snake. Strength doesn't matter so much anymore when it's so much easier to influence the results.
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Nobody is going to rally against Snake.

Squirtle beating Snake is where I draw the line

MGS is a bit less easy to rally against, though. Right?
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KamikazePotato posted...

Calm down guys this means that Vivi is winning the contest

If he can get 45% on anyone by himself then sure. I was rallying for vivi during that entire match, there wasn't a moment where there wasn't a rally thread up so hard to get an actual read but gonna guess a 45-55 against Mario.

Easier to read L-Block since I didn't start a rally for about 15 minutes into the match there.

I underestimated Squirtle rallies.

Man, this contest sucks. RallyFAQs is terrible. When individuals can determine contest results, they may as well be stuffing.
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XIII_rocks posted...

nobody actually gave up on Zelda in those last 15 minutes when it looked like she might make the comeback.

Speak for yourself.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

i'm going to rally for squirtle against snake so hard
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KamikazePotato posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

nobody actually gave up on Zelda in those last 15 minutes when it looked like she might make the comeback.

Speak for yourself.

You don't count
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People are splitting hairs between the Pokerallies and the Dravenrallies. Scale doesn't matter if the outcome is the same. Draven's last match was close (and would have been a nailbiter in the absence of WELCOME TO THE LEAGUE OF DOWNTIME). Didn't make the rally any less lame.

People like when the characters they want to win are rallied and win. People dislike when the characters they want to lose are rallied and win.

This is very simple. You have people hopping on the Draven bandwagon in the face of the Pokerallies for a reason, after all.
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Hey lightning, do me a favor and rally for Vivi next match please. He needs the help.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

What I really don't understand is why couldn't Missingno hold its a rallying power against Squall?

That is the one and only reason why I decided to side with Cloud for this match in the expert challenge. I knew that Squirtle would rally and challenge Cloud. I even stuck with Squirtle for my Oracle prediction. But I thought that if one Pokemon couldn't out rally Squall - then how would another one out rally Cloud? not to mention the Kirby rally that fizzled out against Sephiroth too.

Did people just give up on the Missingno rally or what?
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lightning-02 posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Calm down guys this means that Vivi is winning the contest

If he can get 45% on anyone by himself then sure. I was rallying for vivi during that entire match, there wasn't a moment where there wasn't a rally thread up so hard to get an actual read but gonna guess a 45-55 against Mario.

Easier to read L-Block since I didn't start a rally for about 15 minutes into the match there.

Could you just do an experiment for one hour and delete the Squirtle rallies but advocate for Cloud? See if that does anything at all?
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XIII_rocks posted...

Karma Hunter posted...

I don't think there's much of a difference between this and Draven! It's just a matter of scale. The margin of victory isn't the thing that matters at the end of the day, only the ultimate victor. In that sense, Draven is exactly what we've been asking for.

Not the hero we need - the hero we deserve.

Oh the margin of victory absolutely matters. It's an excess. If something happens in too much excess, it's not good. I don't mind rallies, but Draven is absolutely "too much of a good thing" in that his rally - during MMX/Ryu at least - was so effective that it becomes ridiculous.

Say what you want about Pokemon but its heavily rallied matches now constitute 3 of the top 5 closest matches of all time. Now granted, it won all 3, but there's some luck in there. If 8 of the thousands of rallied Charizard voters had decided they preferred Zelda as a kid and voted Zelda, Zard loses. Pokemon might win all its close matches, but they're still close matches. Even after years of Pokemon winning in these situations, nobody actually gave up on Zelda in those last 15 minutes when it looked like she might make the comeback.

I guess you could say Pokemon's rally is "too much of a good thing" too, and it is more widespread, but it also leads to good matches. I personally think this contest would have been very mediocre without the Pokemon involved.

I agree. Rallies or not, the unexpected results are what made this contest interesting for me, including Pokémon (I trusted Mewtwo and Squirtle in R2 but this and what Mewtwo did? Crazy).

And I mean that even about the Draven result, as a Link fan no less. But maybe I don't take this as seriously as many other people here.
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It's uncertain how the Draven lead-in would affect Snake/Squirtle, but I'm sure it'll have some effect. If Mewtwo ousts Sephiroth and becomes the second place "we must beat Draven" option, then some of those rallied Mewtwo voters could stick around, and I can only imagine that being good for the turtle.
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Honestly, I think if you didn't now exactly how the ending of Zelda/Charizard was going to go down when Zelda was making her comeback then you haven't been paying attention to Pokemon matches whatsoever. There was no real hype, there.
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cyko posted...

What I really don't understand is why couldn't Missingno hold its a rallying power against Squall?

That is the one and only reason why I decided to side with Cloud for this match in the expert challenge. I knew that Squirtle would rally and challenge Cloud. I even stuck with Squirtle for my Oracle prediction. But I thought that if one Pokemon couldn't out rally Squall - then how would another one out rally Cloud? not to mention the Kirby rally that fizzled out against Sephiroth too.

Did people just give up on the Missingno rally or what?

No, Missingno was rallied to a ridiculous, extreme degree against Squall.

But the thing almost lost to Tidus. Unless you're Draven, that is way too much of a strength difference to make up. It would have lost by a LOT more in neutral conditions.
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BleedingRed posted...

lightning-02 posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Calm down guys this means that Vivi is winning the contest

If he can get 45% on anyone by himself then sure. I was rallying for vivi during that entire match, there wasn't a moment where there wasn't a rally thread up so hard to get an actual read but gonna guess a 45-55 against Mario.

Easier to read L-Block since I didn't start a rally for about 15 minutes into the match there.

Could you just do an experiment for one hour and delete the Squirtle rallies but advocate for Cloud? See if that does anything at all?

People on /v/ don't just vote for whoever you ask, they're predisposed to wanting Cloud to lose so you'd probably see more people ignoring the thread and a lot of vote splitting making no real impact other than inflate votals.

The Squirtle watch
Average votes for a rallied Squirtle-103
Average votes for after-rally Squirtle-83
Average votes for a SECOND WIND RALLIED SQUIRTLE-101(103 if last update doesn't count hurr)

Blue winning the next match would be incredible, but I don't think he has a shot at all. It'd be one thing getting past Sora in 1vs1, but Pikachu being there does him no favor. I can't see Blue winning that even with rallies sadly.
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Karma Hunter posted...

What we need is for some way to rehabilitate our votals. I'm fine with rallying being the decider of a 50/50 match like it was in the past. Right now, though, a handful of fans frantically rallying on /v/ and /vp/ will conceivably turn the tide of a 55/45 match.

I'm less okay with that, but I've accepted that as being part of something like Pokemon's intrinsic strength long ago. It's not anyone's fault. Fans will rally, can't blame them for that. It's the votals.

I agree. And applying that logic to the Draven situation, in retrospect I'm less sad about Link losing to an outside force. It showed that we are quite capable of bringing interest back to the site, because I'm sure a fair number of those new votes will return for the rest of the contest and to peruse site content. Future contests will be better than this one or the several previous years, IMO, because the votals will go up while at the same time we have precedent for doing awesome rallies.

Link swung a total of 8,000 votes in that match, split between two comebacks. That's an absurd number even if our votals were as high as in past contests.

So I guess Link was the villain we needed, but not the one we deserve.
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Also Kirby was rallied, but I said in advance the Kirby rally, while significant on its own, paled in comparison to how much Pokemon gets rallied. Pokemon has been throwing everything it has in terms of outside influence at this match from the get-go and hasn't let up.
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I think everyone knows at this point the contest is a fight for second place now. The only chance that Draven had of losing was taking someone with an already very strong natural base (such as Link, Cloud or Snake) and rallying them. As it stands it's pretty clear that people would rather rally for jokes (and Link fell short anyway). So not only is this board going to be split on Snake/L-Block/whateverpokemonmakesit, but the rallying power Draven has is just beyond what anything that other characters can bring to the table.
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