Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1157

#151 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:38:05 AM | message detail
He deleted them lol
Let's see what happens
#152 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:38:05 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Actually,lightning I don't understand your motive here
You are not pro-Pokemon and Allen already admitted he think rallies are fun just a few hours ago,what are you trying to prove by letting Squirtle beat Cloud?


Not pro-Pokemon but definitely pro-sunglasses.
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#153 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:39:22 AM | message detail
This will definitely be interesting data. Three updates or so would be ideal to see if it's variance or not.
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#154 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 6:39:27 AM | message detail
I just realized the only flaw in pic 8 is that at the bottom it should say "My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades"
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#155 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:44:04 AM | message detail | (edited)
Last 15 updates by Squirtle,before rally went down
(from bottom up...the 115 is the most recent)
115
112
96
95
99
95
79
109
83
87
97
113
128
131
110

Let's see what happens now
#156 | SubDeity | Posted 9/6/2013 6:41:06 AM | message detail
Where were these deleted rally threads anyway?
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#157 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:41:43 AM | message detail
Cloud is toast. As Americans are waking up they will favor Squirtle.
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#158 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 6:41:46 AM | message detail
rallies confirmed to be making the difference pack it up boys
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#159 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:41:58 AM | message detail
Vote intake of 91 doesn't say too much
#160 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:42:11 AM | message detail
Squirtle dives to 91 on the first post-rally update. Could be variance, more data is needed.
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#161 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/6/2013 6:42:39 AM | message detail
I would say an effect, but it's worth noting that Cloud spiked a little bit with that update.
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#162 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 6:43:01 AM | message detail
nope this is 100% proof positive

qed
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#163 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:43:28 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Squirtle dives to 91 on the first post-rally update. Could be variance, more data is needed.


He got a 79,83 and 87 vote updates during the rally so yes,a variance
#164 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:46:00 AM | message detail
Net was down last night so I couldn't see the board vote, but I was happy to wake up and see Squirtle winning. If he pulls this off it'll make up for Kefka getting 3rd.
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#165 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:46:02 AM | message detail
Not necessarily, an 87 vote update could be a 70 one without a rally. We have no way of establishing a baseline, which is why this data is helpful. I still doubt it'll be conclusive one way or the other (variance is a b****), but as a stats guy I love marking out for pointless analysis.
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#166 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:46:31 AM | message detail
83
Ouch
#167 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 6:46:35 AM | message detail
UNDENIABLE PROOF
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#168 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 6:46:36 AM | message detail
Leon's going down.

Clearly the rallies were helping him the most.
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#169 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/6/2013 6:46:43 AM | message detail
Two cuts in a row for Cloud since the rally topics went down.
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#170 | GloryChaos | Posted 9/6/2013 6:47:25 AM | message detail
Like a rock.
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#171 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:47:38 AM | message detail
Trend is encouraging toward rallies mattering significantly! Still not enough data.

Ideally I'd like this to go on for an hour but I doubt lightning will be so generous. <_<
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#172 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/6/2013 6:49:51 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
UNDENIABLE PROOF


That was UNDENIABLE PROOF that Cloud would totally own this Lamer... if not for rallying
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#173 | paulg235 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:51:13 AM | message detail
What do the 2010 xstats have Leon getting on Cloud? And is Leon currently getting on Cloud in this match?
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#174 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:51:36 AM | message detail
Maybe it's a stupid theory but I feel like rallies are most effective when the two characters are close
Like..putting a rally again when Cloud is in about 30-50 vote range against Squirtle sounds more effective than to put another rally now
#175 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:52:21 AM | message detail
Well, Squirtle would be keeping it close no matter what, but considering the rallies have been going on ALL MATCH Cloud would probably have it at a 53-47 split or more right now without any outside influences. Pokemon is strong here naturally, but the fact that it gets rallied so fiercely every match combined with our pathetically low votals has enabled it to punch above its weight class.
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#176 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:53:28 AM | message detail
Squirtle down to 76
Using only those 3 updates compared to average of the 15 updates before it,we are looking at 20 rallied votes per update
#177 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 6:54:06 AM | message detail
paulg235 posted...
What do the 2010 xstats have Leon getting on Cloud? And is Leon currently getting on Cloud in this match?


Leon 2010 gets 30.62% (and is underrated due to sprite round against Ryu).

Leon is at 26.68% right now.
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#178 | TAFKAHurricane | Posted 9/6/2013 6:54:18 AM | message detail
Gotta wait till the end to vote on this one.
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#179 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:54:51 AM | message detail
Leon's been getting hit hard by LPF here. He's assuredly underrated by this match.
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#180 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 6:55:06 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
paulg235 posted...
What do the 2010 xstats have Leon getting on Cloud? And is Leon currently getting on Cloud in this match?


Leon 2010 gets 30.62% (and is underrated due to sprite round against Ryu).

Leon is at 26.68% right now.


so you're saying that squirtle beats link, huh
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#181 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 6:55:34 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
paulg235 posted...
What do the 2010 xstats have Leon getting on Cloud? And is Leon currently getting on Cloud in this match?


Leon 2010 gets 30.62% (and is underrated due to sprite round against Ryu).

Leon is at 26.68% right now.


so you're saying that squirtle beats link, huh


Well he's advancing farther than him, therefore he's stronger...!
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#182 | SubDeity | Posted 9/6/2013 6:56:43 AM | message detail
So uh can we put the rallies up again.
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#183 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:56:57 AM | message detail
Yeah, this looks fairly conclusive. If anyone was wondering, unrallied Squirtle is weaker than Cloud...!
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#184 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 6:57:10 AM | message detail
no we need another 14 hours of data
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#185 | Kinglicious | Posted 9/6/2013 6:57:49 AM | message detail
It may be time to go to Facebook again for the turtle.
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#186 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 6:57:53 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Yeah, this looks fairly conclusive. If anyone was wondering, unrallied Squirtle is weaker than Cloud...!


I, for one, am shocked.

Why, if Squirtle is not the second-strongest character on the site, I don't know how Red/Blue/Yellow could stand up to FFVII.
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#187 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 6:58:04 AM | message detail
I'd love to have more unrallied data! I just don't know how much more I'm gonna get. This is fascinating stuff.
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#188 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 6:58:11 AM | message detail
Using the new update of 84,Squirtle new Average didn't move (well it was 83)
Squirtle old Average was 103

...Again,rallies are worth 20 votes per update..this is really nothing to brag about consideing the fact Draven pulls 200 rallied votes per update
#189 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/6/2013 7:00:09 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Using the new update of 84,Squirtle new Average didn't move (well it was 83)
Squirtle old Average was 103

...Again,rallies are worth 20 votes per update..this is really nothing to brag about consideing the fact Draven pulls 200 rallied votes per update


If that's true then... Cloud, you are an embarrassment compared to Link.
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#190 | SubDeity | Posted 9/6/2013 7:00:29 AM | message detail
Guys plz put the rally back up.
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#191 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 7:00:30 AM | message detail
In our pathetic votal era, 20 votes per update is huge. Cloud is worth 53% on Squirtle as a very conservative estimate normally. Probably in excess of 55% though I'll have to run the numbers.

And looks like that's the end of my precious unrallied data. Frentic rallies are back in full effect. Including a rally for Pikachu/Sora/Blue for some reason. <_<
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#192 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/6/2013 7:01:23 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Using the new update of 84,Squirtle new Average didn't move (well it was 83)
Squirtle old Average was 103

...Again,rallies are worth 20 votes per update..this is really nothing to brag about consideing the fact Draven pulls 200 rallied votes per update


It's still pretty significant. I mean if you assume that he's getting 20 rallied votes per update and assume that he hadn't been rallied this match (the rallied votes were probably significantly higher earlier, but whatever) he'd have more than 2600 less votes right now (aka he'd be absolutely destroyed by Cloud).
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#193 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/6/2013 7:02:07 AM | message detail
Um. What is going on here?
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#194 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/6/2013 7:02:34 AM | message detail
science
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#195 | swordz9 | Posted 9/6/2013 7:02:38 AM | message detail
Yeah Squirtle needs those rallies back. He's gotta win this match since the last ones failed to topple N9 members.
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#196 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 7:03:13 AM | message detail
Putting them back up
#197 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/6/2013 7:03:22 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
In our pathetic votal era, 20 votes per update is huge. Cloud is worth 53% on Squirtle as a very conservative estimate normally. Probably in excess of 55% though I'll have to run the numbers.

Even 55% is pathetic for a guy who used to dominate everyone except Link. This is equal with Mario for biggest fail of the contest. And Mario had Ganon holding him back. Cloud has what.... Leon lol
#198 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 7:03:31 AM | message detail
With another update for Squirtle,this time 86,he put the average to 84...so if you want,19-20 rallied votes per update

I think it's enough "data" for now
Of course,those things might change drasticly depending on time of the end and the rallied character,but this is what a "successful 4chan rally" looks like
Nothing impressive,but with our low vote totals this is still something
#199 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/6/2013 7:03:38 AM | message detail
But do you really want to win from rallying? Isn't that the reason Draven is hated?
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#200 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/6/2013 7:04:08 AM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
In our pathetic votal era, 20 votes per update is huge. Cloud is worth 53% on Squirtle as a very conservative estimate normally. Probably in excess of 55% though I'll have to run the numbers.

Even 55% is pathetic for a guy who used to dominate everyone except Link. This is equal with Mario for biggest fail of the contest. And Mario had Ganon holding him back. Cloud has what.... Leon lol


Squirtle, and pokemon in general, is significantly stronger than Vivi. It doesn't matter though.
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