Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1157

#51 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:26:38 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Why people don't rally for Cloud?


This is the hub of edgy Final Fantasy characters on the internet, there is no large sized site you could go that would have a higher proportion of people who like this kind of character more than Gamefaqs. Any rally is always going to hurt the likes of Cloud and Sephiroth.
#52 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/6/2013 4:29:50 AM | message detail
GameFAQs is the place that you would go for to rally FFVII for any other popularity contest.
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#53 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:35:58 AM | message detail
I'm really liking my 51% prediction. Squirtle will be desperately rallied a lot more but the trends work against it; there's a lot of votes to come in. I'm going to drop Squirtle's chances of winning to 5% now, though. Poke's not showing me he can come through at this rate.
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#54 | -Zelmor- | Posted 9/6/2013 4:40:49 AM | message detail
That's why i always snicker whenever I see people proposing the idea of Cloud being the 2nd strongest character. Just go to 4chan, tell them Cloud has a chance of losing and i am pretty sure some of them would rush over to anti-vote him.

Snake and Samus are naturally stronger and have the benefits of rallying. Cloud, no chance in hell.
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#55 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/6/2013 4:41:07 AM | message detail
Wow Cloud sucks. Wow
#56 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/6/2013 4:43:18 AM | message detail
I like that Squirtle has survived this long.
#57 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:44:35 AM | message detail
Cloud would be winning with 53-54%+ right now without all the outside interference. Considering where this site is right now, that's not awful. Still quite the fall from grace but it's not as bad as it looks, even if he were to end up botching it.
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#58 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/6/2013 4:49:58 AM | message detail
**** Squirtle, **** Pokemon, **** this match.

Cloud better win this.
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#59 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 9/6/2013 4:51:23 AM | message detail
If Squirtle is managing to win in the night (even with a rally), isn't he supposed to win when the day votes starts?
#60 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 4:53:30 AM | message detail
ZeldaTPLink posted...
If Squirtle is managing to win in the night (even with a rally), isn't he supposed to win when the day votes starts?


...you know what, sure. Yes, you are correct. Prepare for imminent Squirtle blowout.
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#61 | raytan7585 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:58:00 AM | message detail
Talk about pokemon domination...jeez
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#62 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 4:59:59 AM | message detail
All he needs to do is follow the vivi trends of keeping his nose in front. Bump some threads when he gets in trouble.
24 hours will be more difficult so he'll need to handle the dayvote on his base strength, if he can do that he's looking good.
#63 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:03:24 AM | message detail
The well isn't infinite. Vivi would have lost a 24 hour match despite the superiority of his night vote to Mario's. I have no doubt in the Pokefreaks sitting there bumping threads all day but my 51% prediction has already accounted for that.
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#64 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:05:07 AM | message detail
So back after not being here for an hour when it seems like Cloud was starting to run away..and..
Squirtle is leading? HAHAHAHAHA what

...I don't want him to win,or to be rallied...we need all the help in the world to let Mewtwo get every possible rally and beat Draven
Although,Squirtle winning here would make it very obvious that all anti-Draven votes should go to Mewtwo and not Sephiroth
#65 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:08:21 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
If Squirtle is managing to win in the night (even with a rally), isn't he supposed to win when the day votes starts?


...you know what, sure. Yes, you are correct. Prepare for imminent Squirtle blowout.


I know that you said yesterday you really don't want to tell people about "FFVII is good in the day too" but IIRC it was you that said FFVII wins the day against everyone that is not Zelda,Mario..AND Pokemon?
#66 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:10:10 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
If Squirtle is managing to win in the night (even with a rally), isn't he supposed to win when the day votes starts?


...you know what, sure. Yes, you are correct. Prepare for imminent Squirtle blowout.


I know that you said yesterday you really don't want to tell people about "FFVII is good in the day too" but IIRC it was you that said FFVII wins the day against everyone that is not Zelda,Mario..AND Pokemon?


No, that was not me.

But it is correct: Pokemon's day vote is better than FF7's. It's currently on track to lose the day vote despite that.

I'll leave the reasons to your imagination.
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#67 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:14:17 AM | message detail
Why are Pokemon considered to be joke characters?
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#68 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/6/2013 5:17:43 AM | message detail
OrangeCrush980 posted...
Why are Pokemon considered to be joke characters?


Yeah, I'm not considering Squirtle a joke at all.
#69 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:17:46 AM | message detail
Cute, love/hate figures, species and not actual characters so perfect protest vote.
#70 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/6/2013 5:19:05 AM | message detail
There are well over a million people on facebook that 'like' the Final Fantasy 7 fanpage. If someone could get them to post something I'm sure that would help. I sent a message, but who knows if they even read that stuff.
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#71 | CP724 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:21:37 AM | message detail
How annoying is it having to explain how why ffvii will win the day vote every single time theres a Cloud or Seph match?

Diluted anti votes,rallys been less effective when theres more votes coming in blah blah its been said 1 billion times.
#72 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:22:50 AM | message detail | (edited)
..up to 87
This thing is working
But not 260-votes-per-update working like Draven rally
So good luck keeping it up for 15 more hours
#73 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/6/2013 5:22:26 AM | message detail
Keep rising, Squirt.
#74 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/6/2013 5:22:52 AM | message detail
WTF all of a sudden Squirtle is dominating :(
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#75 | CP724 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:23:18 AM | message detail
of course squirtle can still when if the pokefreaks rally for the next 16hours, or hell lose the same way kirby did if they give up
#76 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/6/2013 5:23:49 AM | message detail
Want to see Squirtle winning if it will shut Karma Hunter up.
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#77 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:24:14 AM | message detail
Yeah there is some rally potential with FF7 - that fanpage linking the poll would instantly put this match away, if the Link match is any indicator. That being said they're not nearly as likely to intervene as even the Zelda fanpages were in the Draven match.

Rally power is going to go all to the Pokemon in this match, as I said. They got pretty intense when Cloud snagged the lead so it's just really a matter of if the natural GameFAQs votes can overpower them here. Indications are yes but with the ridiculously crap votals we're at naturally you can't rule out the outside chance of Squirtle winning.
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#78 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:25:03 AM | message detail
I'm feeling good about this rally, /v/ is unusually united behind it.
#79 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:27:17 AM | message detail
CP724 posted...
of course squirtle can still when if the pokefreaks rally for the next 16hours, or hell lose the same way kirby did if they give up


The aim will be to get ahead by a few hundred, take a break and rally back when Cloud catches up again. Squirtle seems strong enough to not need constant rallying.
#80 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:27:29 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Want to see Squirtle winning if it will shut Karma Hunter up.


Considering I've been talking about the intrinsic strength of Pokemon getting massively, desperately rallied in every match it's threatened since day one, this is pathetic sour grapes.

Squirtle still has an outside chance of winning this match if the rallies intensify, which they look to be doing. We've still got a long way to go, so it's going to be difficult. Cloud would be up by a lot right now without outside interference.
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#81 | Solid_Mike86 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:27:56 AM | message detail
Ugh, Pokemon.
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#82 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/6/2013 5:28:15 AM | message detail
Wow, Squirtle's taking off now!
#83 | FFDragon | Posted 9/6/2013 5:30:17 AM | message detail
The quickest way to get me to support Draven is to flood the final nine with pokemans.
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#84 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:31:25 AM | message detail
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#85 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:31:44 AM | message detail
Cloud can't do it. How strong is Squirtle?
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#86 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:31:57 AM | message detail
Actually Karma Hunter has the most accurate predictiosn in the stat topics so far from what I recall
Altough some of them are "he will win" with a "but..." to back him up if there is some kind of a surprise....but he is still the most consistent about his predictions
#87 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/6/2013 5:31:58 AM | message detail
Hey KH.

Do you think it's a coincidence that this just happens to be occurring during the morning vote?

I'm not denying the usefulness of rallies but it's not like we've seen huge ones for Squirtle. I just looked at the /v/ thread, it's not doing very well. /v/ itself is not a very good source for rallies typically, the Reddit rally thread died instantly, and while I do think rallies were what was helping Squirtle stall back there, it's not like Cloud would be leaps and bounds ahead anyway. Rallies were what gave Charizard the win, but if this keeps up I'm not sure Squirtle will need them.
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#88 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2013 5:34:02 AM | message detail
Pokemon gets rallied

News at 11
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#89 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:35:30 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Hey KH.

Do you think it's a coincidence that this just happens to be occurring during the morning vote?

I'm not denying the usefulness of rallies but it's not like we've seen huge ones for Squirtle. I just looked at the /v/ thread, it's not doing very well. /v/ itself is not a very good source for rallies typically, the Reddit rally thread died instantly, and while I do think rallies were what was helping Squirtle stall back there, it's not like Cloud would be leaps and bounds ahead anyway. Rallies were what gave Charizard the win, but if this keeps up I'm not sure Squirtle will need them.


It's as much a coincidence as Vivi rallies intensifying during the ASV. That is to say, none. Squirtle is doing better to Cloud's actual baseline, as he should, but the heavy rallying is keeping him in this.

Pokemon gets hugely rallied in every match it's threatened. This is not anything new. It is a huge part of its intrinsic strength, and something that should be accounted for in every match it's in.
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#90 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 5:37:33 AM | message detail
The only close match Pokemon has ever lost was to Metroid.

Samus/Red/Zard

Mewtwo/Squirtle/Samus finals

Believe in Samus except there's a block in the way
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#91 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:38:16 AM | message detail
Not taking rallies into account,I think Squirtle can put 47% on Cloud in this format

Those rallies give him 4..5% extra...nothing more
Still,a newcomer giving Cloud 47% is very sad
#92 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:38:30 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Actually Karma Hunter has the most accurate predictiosn in the stat topics so far from what I recall
Altough some of them are "he will win" with a "but..." to back him up if there is some kind of a surprise....but he is still the most consistent about his predictions


Well, it's hard to predict a match with heavy rallying, especially with Cloud. Note that I've never counted Squirtle out of this match, even when natural trends would assure him to lose 100%. And with this level of intake here, his chances are just that much better. Certainly not the 5% I pegged him with a little earlier; I'm definitely willing to say I was wrong about that.
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#93 | Jump_Man7 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:39:03 AM | message detail
It amazes me that some of you are actually rooting for clouds lame emo ass. Literally the most generic rpg character ever
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#94 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:40:17 AM | message detail
Better than a blue smiling turtle.
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#95 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/6/2013 5:40:58 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
Hey KH.

Do you think it's a coincidence that this just happens to be occurring during the morning vote?

I'm not denying the usefulness of rallies but it's not like we've seen huge ones for Squirtle. I just looked at the /v/ thread, it's not doing very well. /v/ itself is not a very good source for rallies typically, the Reddit rally thread died instantly, and while I do think rallies were what was helping Squirtle stall back there, it's not like Cloud would be leaps and bounds ahead anyway. Rallies were what gave Charizard the win, but if this keeps up I'm not sure Squirtle will need them.


It's as much a coincidence as Vivi rallies intensifying during the ASV. That is to say, none. Squirtle is doing better to Cloud's actual baseline, as he should, but the heavy rallying is keeping him in this.

Pokemon gets hugely rallied in every match it's threatened. This is not anything new. It is a huge part of its intrinsic strength, and something that should be accounted for in every match it's in.


Except it doesn't. The only really significant rally was Charizard's. You can say "every match it's threatened" but that's been one so far.

And isn't that a contradiction of your "Squirtle is doomed!" Statements not very long ago?

Pokémon is good in the morning, news at 11.
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#96 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/6/2013 5:41:05 AM | message detail
Cloud owns

Squirtle owns

Leon owns

This is one of the best trios of the contest so far.
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#97 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:42:59 AM | message detail
missingno had his fair for rallies too
#98 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2013 5:57:45 AM | message detail | (edited)
Missingno has had two massive, overwhelming rallies for its matches. There's been a Pokemon rally in virtually every one of its blowouts, for crying out loud.

Yes, Squirtle's chances have improved markedly with this pace. This is because in addition to the rallies intensifying, his natural trends have improved relative to Cloud's baseline. But he needs the rallying or his raw intake is liable to slip to even with that baseline or worse. That's never even been a question.
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#99 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/6/2013 5:53:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
Missingno. did have rallies. And they didn't even work!

All I'm saying is at the current rate even a rallyless Squirtle would beat Cloud. At least if these trends keep up. Also, the second part of that post made no sense. I mean, I know what you were saying, but the words are put together in an illogical way. So, if Squirtle doesn't get rallied, Cloud's baseline will slip? Because that's what your post says.
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#100 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/6/2013 5:52:19 AM | message detail
Missingno's late burst was entirely rallies, he would have lost without rallies. Even Allen literally said there was a late Reddit rally for Missingno.