Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1156

#51 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 5:35:01 PM | message detail
And yeah Cloud is in trouble with those pics, as if he wasn't in enough trouble already.

These Pokemon style pics are especially rigged against their opponents:

http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5257-04.jpg

Cloud is going to have a hard time winning 12 hours into the match. His main hope is the last 12 hours.
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#52 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 5:36:56 PM | message detail
Just saw KH's sig.

League of Downtime. Perfect!
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#53 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/5/2013 5:37:32 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
And yeah Cloud is in trouble with those pics, as if he wasn't in enough trouble already.

These Pokemon style pics are especially rigged against their opponents:

http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5257-04.jpg

Cloud is going to have a hard time winning 12 hours into the match. His main hope is the last 12 hours.


Is it wise to underestimated Cloud? Seph wasn't great, but he did fair decently all day long. Squirtle will have to be quite strong to beat Cloud, and I hope he is.
#54 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:39:37 PM | message detail
G0EMONIMPACT posted...
SBAllen posted...
The Real Truth posted...
Allen I love you. Please give us a contest next year.

Already have it planned out, no worries.


yaaaaaay


Games contest, quick run a NRT.
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#55 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:40:46 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Games contest, quick run a NRT.


please, he's gonna give LoL all day and night (aka multiple rounds) before it goes up against a real heavyweight
#56 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/5/2013 5:41:44 PM | message detail
I hope it's a games one. There's been a ton of big hits since the last one, and I'd bet it'd be more competitive. Besides LoL running away with it, of course.
#57 | im317 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:44:33 PM | message detail
besides some from the pics, is there any SFF between Cloud and Leon?
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#58 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/5/2013 5:45:10 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
I hope it's a games one. There's been a ton of big hits since the last one, and I'd bet it'd be more competitive. Besides LoL running away with it, of course.


And if there is, I hope people are smarter with their Add/Remove crap then they were last time.
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#59 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:45:22 PM | message detail
im317 posted...
besides some from the pics, is there any SFF between Cloud and Leon?


Squirtle gonna shades SFF Cloud and Leon for 1/8 of the votes
#60 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:46:39 PM | message detail
And if there is, I hope people are smarter with their Add/Remove crap then they were last time.

Remove Super Smash Bros.
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#61 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/5/2013 5:47:08 PM | message detail
Remove League of Legends, Add Super Smash Bros.
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#62 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/5/2013 5:47:42 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
And if there is, I hope people are smarter with their Add/Remove crap then they were last time.

Remove Super Smash Bros.


That's one of the reasons why. Did they REALLY need to bring Soulcalibur back again???
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#63 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:47:45 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Remove League of Legends, Add Super Smash Bros.


YES
#64 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 5:48:36 PM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
I hope it's a games one. There's been a ton of big hits since the last one, and I'd bet it'd be more competitive. Besides LoL running away with it, of course.

If it's 1v1 Ocarina of Time will still very likely win.
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#65 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 5:49:38 PM | message detail
What is this add/remove stuff? People actually got to anti-nominate things last contest?
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#66 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:49:44 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Scarlettail posted...
I hope it's a games one. There's been a ton of big hits since the last one, and I'd bet it'd be more competitive. Besides LoL running away with it, of course.

If it's 1v1 Ocarina of Time will still very likely win.


eh, I'd think Link was far more capable of leeching votes from Draven then OoT would be from LoL as a whole
besides, Allen will probably do his best to tank natural votals lower beforehand....!
#67 | scaryice | Posted 9/5/2013 5:50:39 PM | message detail
Hopefully in a games contest there would be a limit of say, 3 games per series for a 128 game bracket.
#68 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 5:50:54 PM | message detail
Kefka still trying to troll even this late into the match.

If only 20 votes/hour didn't seem like such a monstrous hurdle in this match of epic stallness.
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#69 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:51:50 PM | message detail
What is this add/remove stuff? People actually got to anti-nominate things last contest?

Yup during the 2009 contest
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#70 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 5:52:06 PM | message detail
scaryice posted...
Hopefully in a games contest there would be a limit of say, 3 games per series for a 128 game bracket.

Why? There's easily 4 LoZ, SMB, and FF games that deserve to make a 64 entrant bracket, let alone 128.
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#71 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:52:37 PM | message detail
Hopefully in a games contest there would be a limit of say, 3 games per series for a 128 game bracket.

I don't think we need that, just remove the generation split.
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#72 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/5/2013 5:52:56 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Scarlettail posted...
I hope it's a games one. There's been a ton of big hits since the last one, and I'd bet it'd be more competitive. Besides LoL running away with it, of course.

If it's 1v1 Ocarina of Time will still very likely win.


I actually think Link, being from multiple Zelda games, is better than OoT, which is just one game. You also doubt the desire to troll of LoL fans and rallies. They don't care what the opponent is. The only hope is if they get bored.
#73 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/5/2013 5:53:24 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
What is this add/remove stuff? People actually got to anti-nominate things last contest?


Basically, it was to remove a game from the bracket and replace it with another one. My gripe with it was that out of the games that made it in on the add/remove basis, only one (Mortal Kombat II replacing Street Fighter II Turbo) was actually worth it.
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#74 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 5:53:32 PM | message detail
Honestly series with many games will just hurt each other in nominations like FFVII characters
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#75 | TheOceIot | Posted 9/5/2013 5:56:49 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
creativename posted...
What is this add/remove stuff? People actually got to anti-nominate things last contest?


Basically, it was to remove a game from the bracket and replace it with another one. My gripe with it was that out of the games that made it in on the add/remove basis, only one (Mortal Kombat II replacing Street Fighter II Turbo) was actually worth it.


I'm just proud of the fact that my topic got Deus Ex into the contest, even if it didn't do very well.
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#76 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 5:58:52 PM | message detail
OOT vs. League of Legends. Augh. They can even ruin a 1v1, no generations game contest.
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#77 | xp1337 | Posted 9/5/2013 6:01:16 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
OOT vs. League of Legends. Augh. They can even ruin a 1v1, no generations game contest.

Don't lose faith!
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#78 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 6:07:07 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
OOT vs. League of Legends. Augh. They can even ruin a 1v1, no generations game contest.


I told you so
and SBAllen would deliberately manipulate the bracket so LoL wouldn't even face OoT/FFVII/RBY until the semis anyway, you know it to be true....!
#79 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 6:12:31 PM | message detail
Actually, I sort of forgot Shepard was in the match. Well Link wins 1v1 easily, so......maybe OOT has a shot.

The problem is I'm mostly convinced there was stuffing going on for Draven, SBAllen had no way of catching it, and the stuffer was capable of more.
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#80 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/5/2013 6:15:52 PM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
And if there is, I hope people are smarter with their Add/Remove crap then they were last time.

Remove Super Smash Bros.


Remove Golden Sun, Add Fire Emblem (in a match with Melee)
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#81 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 6:19:20 PM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
charmander6000 posted...
And if there is, I hope people are smarter with their Add/Remove crap then they were last time.

Remove Super Smash Bros.


Remove Golden Sun, Add Fire Emblem (in a match with Melee)


but Golden Sun didn't deserve it anyway
#82 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/5/2013 6:24:25 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
charmander6000 posted...
And if there is, I hope people are smarter with their Add/Remove crap then they were last time.

Remove Super Smash Bros.


Remove Golden Sun, Add Fire Emblem (in a match with Melee)


but Golden Sun didn't deserve it anyway


And neither did FE.
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#83 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 6:24:53 PM | message detail
Match CXIII: (1) Cloud Strife vs. (5) Squirtle vs. (4) Leon Kennedy

Previous Round

Cloud Strife – 49.47%
Frog – 27.74%
Lugia – 22.79%

Squirtle – 44.08%
Dante – 31.55%
Zidane Tribal – 24.37%

Leon Kennedy – 39.73%
Gordon Freeman – 33.45%
Shadow the Hedgehog – 26.82%

Analysis

Funny enough is that Leon has now missed a rematch with Dante as many times as he has fought him. While Leon has always showed that he has strength he is just outmatched by the competition here. I have been waiting for Leon to be given an interesting match for a long time and as Resident Evil 4 gets older time may not be on his side.

There was some debate about the upset and while it could still happen I do feel a lot better about Cloud. Sephiroth was able to stop the panic and defeat Kirby without too much trouble once the anti-votes died. It is still clear that Final Fantasy VII has become weaker, but it has not totally dropped off the face of the Earth. With Cloud being stronger than Sephiroth it would take quite a lot from Squirtle to win.

The good thing about 3-ways is that it can give us a bit of perspective. As amazing as Squirtle looked against Dante I feel we should be looking at Zidane. His performance against Zidane still gives Squirtle a lot of strength, just not the “I can beat half the 2010 noble nine” strength Dante was showing. One thing Squirtle has is Pokemon XY hype is getting stronger and stronger and with the RBY starters given Mega forms it could translate to a mid-contest boost for Squirtle.

I give Squirtle a realistic chance against Cloud, but I feel he will not be able to take the upset. Still Mewtwo’s performance against Sonic is quite concerning. Cloud may not be like his old days, but he still has strength. Also like Kirby did with Sephiroth Squirtle is going to stand out in a lot of his pictures which may give him a bit of a boost.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Cloud Strife > Dante and Leon Kennedy

charmander6000’s Prediction: Cloud Strife – 39.73%, Squirtle – 37.67%, Leon Kennedy – 22.60%
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#84 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 9/5/2013 6:28:39 PM | message detail
I'm sticking with Cloud because Kirby couldn't even beat Sephiroth including all that pic standout.
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#85 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/5/2013 6:29:19 PM | message detail
On paper, it shouldn't look that different from Sephiroth vs. Kirby.

But you never know with Pokemon
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#86 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/5/2013 6:37:16 PM | message detail
I still have some faith in Cloud.
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#87 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/5/2013 6:40:55 PM | message detail
At least make this interesting, Squirtle.
#88 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/5/2013 6:41:42 PM | message detail
Remove Golden Sun, Add Fire Emblem was basically the dumbest thing B8 ever did
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#89 | ZFS | Posted 9/5/2013 6:44:14 PM | message detail
Ocarina of Time could probably stand up even better. That is a huge game everywhere, even if Link as a character isn't. A 1v1, no generations game contest would be great, though. Even with LoL!
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#90 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 6:57:35 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Ocarina of Time could probably stand up even better. That is a huge game everywhere, even if Link as a character isn't. A 1v1, no generations game contest would be great, though. Even with LoL!


huh, in a sense you might be right.....
if LoL drones knew or cared about what OoT was
#91 | creativename | Posted 9/5/2013 7:00:14 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Actually, I sort of forgot Shepard was in the match. Well Link wins 1v1 easily, so......maybe OOT has a shot.

The problem is I'm mostly convinced there was stuffing going on for Draven, SBAllen had no way of catching it, and the stuffer was capable of more.

The stuffing is a problem, but it took

1) 3-ways and Shepard LFF

2) 90 minutes of downtime when Link was murdering the poll

3) Draven going from even with Shepard to 280-300 vote updates out of nowhere during a time when his rally had the lowest visibility

4) That downtime buying time for the stuffer/"rallies" time to form up again

5) Allen saying those who missed voting in the downtime "could vote again" - showing an inconceivably bad lack of understanding of how voting works

In other words, it basically took an act of god and supreme admin incompetence/unprofessionalism for Draven to beat Link.

In a 1v1, I have a very hard time seeing anything beat OoT. The main problem is that after the Hyrule Screwjob vote intake is likely to go down again next year, in addition to the natural reduction of traffic. Thus making rallies easier. But every single factor in the world had to go against Link for him to lose.
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#92 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/5/2013 7:05:56 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
In a 1v1, I have a very hard time seeing anything beat OoT. The main problem is that after the Hyrule Screwjob vote intake is likely to go down again next year, in addition to the natural reduction of traffic. Thus making rallies easier. But every single factor in the world had to go against Link for him to lose.


Actually, our vote totals have been pretty stable since June of 2012. Starting with June of 2012, every month since then has maintained average vote totals of around 40000. I think we've hit rock bottom for vote totals and they shouldn't get any worse than that.
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#93 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 7:05:56 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
The stuffing is a problem, but it took

1) 3-ways and Shepard LFF

2) 90 minutes of downtime when Link was murdering the poll

3) Draven going from even with Shepard to 280-300 vote updates out of nowhere during a time when his rally had the lowest visibility

4) That downtime buying time for the stuffer/"rallies" time to form up again

5) Allen saying those who missed voting in the downtime "could vote again" - showing an inconceivably bad lack of understanding of how voting works

In other words, it basically took an act of god and supreme admin incompetence/unprofessionalism for Draven to beat Link.

In a 1v1, I have a very hard time seeing anything beat OoT. The main problem is that after the Hyrule Screwjob vote intake is likely to go down again next year, in addition to the natural reduction of traffic. Thus making rallies easier. But every single factor in the world had to go against Link for him to lose.


man, imagine how ineffective reddit would be if we even had 2010-level votals
#94 | im317 | Posted 9/5/2013 7:09:25 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
creativename posted...
The stuffing is a problem, but it took

1) 3-ways and Shepard LFF

2) 90 minutes of downtime when Link was murdering the poll

3) Draven going from even with Shepard to 280-300 vote updates out of nowhere during a time when his rally had the lowest visibility

4) That downtime buying time for the stuffer/"rallies" time to form up again

5) Allen saying those who missed voting in the downtime "could vote again" - showing an inconceivably bad lack of understanding of how voting works

In other words, it basically took an act of god and supreme admin incompetence/unprofessionalism for Draven to beat Link.

In a 1v1, I have a very hard time seeing anything beat OoT. The main problem is that after the Hyrule Screwjob vote intake is likely to go down again next year, in addition to the natural reduction of traffic. Thus making rallies easier. But every single factor in the world had to go against Link for him to lose.


man, imagine how ineffective reddit would be if we even had 2010-level votals


depends on if the stuffer could manage more to stuff more votes. in theory they should have a finite limit due to running out of proxies, but what that number is we don't know.
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#95 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 9/5/2013 7:09:39 PM | message detail
Replacing Golden Sun for Fire Emblem was ridiculous. Golden Sun wouldn't have gotten SFFed as badly, and it's stronger as well (see: San Andreas)
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#96 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/5/2013 7:10:01 PM | message detail
So when Cloud absolutely steamrolls Squirtle are people going to attribute that to Cloud being strong or pokemon being weaker than expected and Snake is still better than Cloud etc?
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#97 | ZFS | Posted 9/5/2013 7:10:22 PM | message detail
Squirtle got this
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#98 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 7:11:59 PM | message detail
im317 posted...
depends on if the stuffer could manage more to stuff more votes. in theory they should have a finite limit due to running out of proxies, but what that number is we don't know.


well even running off of GoTD and its ~90k vote final, Link would start up....I don't know, 40k at minimum from natural gamefaqs votes?
#99 | im317 | Posted 9/5/2013 7:13:26 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
im317 posted...
depends on if the stuffer could manage more to stuff more votes. in theory they should have a finite limit due to running out of proxies, but what that number is we don't know.


well even running off of GoTD and its ~90k vote final, Link would start up....I don't know, 40k at minimum from natural gamefaqs votes?


my point is its not about how many votes link can get, but how many can be stuffed. so long as they can stuff close to what link gets then link will lose, since Draven or whoever is getting stuffed will have some natural votes.
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#100 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 7:16:01 PM | message detail
im317 posted...
my point is its not about how many votes link can get, but how many can be stuffed. so long as they can stuff close to what link gets then link will lose, since Draven or whoever is getting stuffed will have some natural votes.


well, surely Allen isn't tha-
ok you're right of course stuffers are free to run rampant, unless they're for Touhou or Guybrush!