Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1155

#401 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/5/2013 12:01:51 PM | message detail
Kefka with the 1 vote lead. This is so damn close.
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#402 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:04:01 PM | message detail
Why am I hyped for Squirtle Cloud
This is stupid and it shouldn't make sense
Like I don't care how much Cloud looked bad (im not sure if 68% on Lugia is that bad) and 64% on Frog I don't knowwww

Please tell me I shouldn't be hyped and it's obvious Cloud got this
#403 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:04:06 PM | message detail
If we have anything resembling an ASV anymore, here might be where GlaDOS makes her move.
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#404 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/5/2013 12:04:33 PM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
I think this match, if anything, just shows that Snake isn't ready for someone of Cloud's caliber.

Bowser almost doubled Kefka last time they matched, and Bowser got absolutely wasted by Mewtwo. In 2008 he was DEAD LAST against such powerhouses as Marth, Nico and Duke Nukem.

Because he beat Zack and Ryu in a contest turned upside down doesn't make him any less weak than he always has been.

If anything this performance is pretty disappointing given what Snake did against Alucard, who has always been stronger than Kefka.


On the subject of Kefka, I'm starting to think he got here on Lara and Altair's weakness. Altair's notable for just up and inexplicably folding whenever a real threat shows up (see: 2008, where he gets last against ZackFAQs, Link, and Duke Nukem, and 2010, where he didn't even bother showing up against Vivi).
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#405 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/5/2013 12:06:45 PM | message detail
Cloud has no chance of losing. I mean c'mon it's Squirtle. Squirtle vs Cloud Strife...... It just doesn't feel right for an upset. I think it probably ends Cloud 45% > Squirtle 35% > Leon 20% or something.
#406 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/5/2013 12:07:36 PM | message detail
Whoa, huge update for GlaDOS.
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#407 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:09:57 PM | message detail
Cloud/Squirtle wouldn't be a question R1 I don't think, but considering that Squirtle's probably gonna get a bandwagon and heavily rallied Cloud could very plausibly lose. Pictures are gonna be pretty one-sided as well I imagine.

I don't expect Cloud to lose (more of a Seph/Kirby affair, probably), but it could easily happen.
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#408 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/5/2013 12:12:00 PM | message detail
It's going to take the biggest rally of the contest outside of Draven for Squirtle to win. We just saw Seph deal with a rally and slap Kirby down. I just think the strength gap is far to big between Cloud and Squirtle for an upset.
#409 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/5/2013 12:12:57 PM | message detail
It definitely couldn't, and won't, easily happen. It's like people that actually think Snake is stronger than Cloud. It's not the case, and never will be.
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#410 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:15:21 PM | message detail
The rally for Kirby was persistent and effective, which is why Kirby did better with the night vote than the day vote... but it is not on the level of a Pokerally. I don't think there's an appreciation for just how much they get outside rallies in this thing.
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#411 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:15:31 PM | message detail
I'd have no doubts about Squirtle losing...

except Mewtwo killed terrible pic Vincent, and then did almost as well against Sonic/Bowser.

except everything from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 has looked very good, except Dante, who only looks bad because he got stomped by Squirtle and struggled with Zidane, who only looks bad because he got stomped by Squirtle, in the same round where Vivi beat slightly-gimped Mario.

and by god that squirting squirrel turtle is going to have sunglasses in like half the pics minimum.
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#412 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:15:48 PM | message detail
Even if we have an ASV it might not kill Kefka. Canada cancels out the US and then some and Latin America favours Kefka as well.
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#413 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/5/2013 12:16:31 PM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
It definitely couldn't, and won't, easily happen. It's like people that actually think Snake is stronger than Cloud. It's not the case, and never will be.
It's almost like you didn't see how close Snake came in 2010 and how poorly Cloud is doing this contest.
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#414 | Sorozone | Posted 9/5/2013 12:16:51 PM | message detail
Snake is going to murder Cloud.
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#415 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:18:39 PM | message detail
Snake is going to break 50% against Cloud and Sora combined
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#416 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:20:12 PM | message detail
Dammit people you're jinxing it

what if Cloud gets a rally

...okay what if Snake doesn't get one that's basically the same thing
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#417 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:21:00 PM | message detail
What if Cloud is announced for Smash 4
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#418 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/5/2013 12:21:52 PM | message detail
remember pic makers all sprite snake vs KH cloud next round please
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#419 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/5/2013 12:22:18 PM | message detail
I could see the final three being Sephiroth, Cloud and Samus.

The only way that Snake beats Cloud is if Sora comes out of that Pikachu/Blue SFF and then brings Cloud down with SFF himself.
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#420 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 12:22:50 PM | message detail
As I said yesterday, I think Cloud is going to stomp Squirtle pretty hard. Would not be surprised to see 60/40 or worse.
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#421 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 12:23:50 PM | message detail
Cloud > Samus > Sephiroth finals

For the lulz.
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#422 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/5/2013 12:24:40 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Cloud > Samus > Sephiroth finals

For the lulz.


If the finals is Sephiroth, Cloud and Samus it wouldn't be a shock for Samus to win the whole thing.
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#423 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/5/2013 12:24:42 PM | message detail
Squirtle should be stronger than Kirby and Leon will likely die off easily unlike Big Boss, which will make a Squirtle rally more effective.

I doubt it happens but I won't be surprised if Squirtle pulls it off.
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#424 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:26:29 PM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Cloud > Samus > Sephiroth finals

For the lulz.


If the finals is Sephiroth, Cloud and Samus it wouldn't be a shock for Samus to win the whole thing.


If the finals is Sephiroth/Cloud/Samus it'd be a massive upset for Samus to not win.
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#425 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:26:49 PM | message detail
I think im just hyped for Squirtle to hold the lead for 3 hours in a typical doing-better-than-FFVII-early
#426 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:27:19 PM | message detail
I just don't want to see another freakin' night vote rally and have this topic explode in the inanity of "lol no way FF7 wins now the DAY VOTE will bury 'em"

Squirtle is going to have to take it to Cloud hard and all match to ensure victory.
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#427 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 12:30:05 PM | message detail
I'm personally hoping for a Mario/Sephiroth 2005 performance where Cloud leads at the freeze and never looks back.
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#428 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/5/2013 12:31:09 PM | message detail
I hope Kefka loses here, if only because it would be so fitting for him to both shock us twice, and also choke in a loss.
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#429 | ninkendo | Posted 9/5/2013 12:31:56 PM | message detail
I hope Kefka wins because I like him more than GlaDOS
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#430 | Fr0zoN | Posted 9/5/2013 12:32:45 PM | message detail
I feel sorry for GlaDOS and Kefka. They are trying so hard to have an epic match and nobody cares.
#431 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:32:45 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
What if Cloud is announced for Smash 4


Cloud to Smash SFF (rSFF?) Snake into victory
#432 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/5/2013 12:34:20 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
If the finals is Sephiroth/Cloud/Samus it'd be a massive upset for Samus to not win.


Snake only beat Cloud in a 4 way poll with Sephiroth in it by .24%. Snake is stronger than Samus.
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#433 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:35:02 PM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
If the finals is Sephiroth/Cloud/Samus it'd be a massive upset for Samus to not win.


Snake only beat Cloud in a 4 way poll with Sephiroth in it by .24%. Snake is stronger than Samus.


not sure if serious
#434 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:35:34 PM | message detail
That was long ago. Now the only bad thing if Cloud wins it will be that he will be destroyed by Snake. And that is bad.
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#435 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:36:35 PM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
If the finals is Sephiroth/Cloud/Samus it'd be a massive upset for Samus to not win.


Snake only beat Cloud in a 4 way poll with Sephiroth in it by .24%. Snake is stronger than Samus.


First, that was 7 years ago. If you're going to argue 7 years ago stuff you can't turn around and go 'And Snake is stronger than Samus' because they faced that year 1v1 and Samus was never threatened.

Secondly, back then Sephiroth would have beaten Snake pretty easily. In 2010 Snake beat Sephiroth easily, and both he and Samus got what, 47 or 48% on Cloud 1v1.
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#436 | -Zelmor- | Posted 9/5/2013 12:37:05 PM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
If the finals is Sephiroth/Cloud/Samus it'd be a massive upset for Samus to not win.


Snake only beat Cloud in a 4 way poll with Sephiroth in it by .24%. Snake is stronger than Samus.


Dude, that was how long ago?
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#437 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/5/2013 12:38:25 PM | message detail
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

that was only 5 years ago
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#438 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:39:10 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
BleedingRed posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
If the finals is Sephiroth/Cloud/Samus it'd be a massive upset for Samus to not win.


Snake only beat Cloud in a 4 way poll with Sephiroth in it by .24%. Snake is stronger than Samus.


First, that was 7 years ago. If you're going to argue 7 years ago stuff you can't turn around and go 'And Snake is stronger than Samus' because they faced that year 1v1 and Samus was never threatened.

Secondly, back then Sephiroth would have beaten Snake pretty easily. In 2010 Snake beat Sephiroth easily, and both he and Samus got what, 47 or 48% on Cloud 1v1.


Five years ago. Snake beat Sephiroth with Cloud in the poll seven years ago.

Snake was a clear step above Samus in 2010.
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#439 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:39:49 PM | message detail
Oh he said Snake beat Cloud, I thought he said Sephiroth for some silly reason.

WOOPS

Regardless...uh...FFVII has fallen off a cliff since then and my 2010 point still stands.
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#440 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/5/2013 12:40:47 PM | message detail
I am genuinely convinced that this guy missed the 2010 results so:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3852
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3853
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3855
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#441 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:41:18 PM | message detail
Do we have to go through this again KH?

Snake was a clear step above Samus in 2006. Then he lost easily.

They are much, much closer in 2010 based on Cloud than they were going into that 2006 finals.
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#442 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:42:39 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
I am genuinely convinced that this guy missed the 2010 results so:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3852
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3853
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3855


whoa the votal difference between quarterfinal matches
man those were the days
#443 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/5/2013 12:42:52 PM | message detail
I mean it's not like either is so far above the other to the point where SnakeOrSamus/Cloud/Sephiroth is an easy win for one but not the other, so how Snake/Samus pans out kinda doesn't matter.
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#444 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:42:56 PM | message detail
You Americans and your love for Glados!
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#445 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 12:43:39 PM | message detail
The votal difference is because Cloud/Samus was a night match, Sephiroth/Snake was a day match, and Link/Mario was 24 hours.
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#446 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 9/5/2013 12:43:57 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Do we have to go through this again KH?

Snake was a clear step above Samus in 2006. Then he lost easily.

They are much, much closer in 2010 based on Cloud than they were going into that 2006 finals.
Female bracket weirdness and anti-obvious winner bandwagoning within it. Samus's prior results that contest were meaningless and Samus/Sonic 2004 and Snake/Sonic 2006 predicted Samus/Snake almost perfectly.
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#447 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:44:22 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Do we have to go through this again KH?

Snake was a clear step above Samus in 2006. Then he lost easily.

They are much, much closer in 2010 based on Cloud than they were going into that 2006 finals.


If we have to go through this again it's because you're failing to understand the data. Snake was not a clear step above Samus in 2006. Samus, in fact, maintained her 2004 percentage on Sonic projecting through Snake.

Snake was favored not just because he had beaten through the male bracket, but because Samus had laid two massive turds beforehand. The Samus who got 50% on Tifa and 55% on Zelda would have easily lost to Snake.
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#448 | red sox 777 (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/5/2013 12:45:15 PM | message detail
Also I would like to just pretend that everything since 2006 hasn't happened. So....Cloud gets the doubling against Squirtle, yes or no?
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#449 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2013 12:47:10 PM | message detail
Samus was also equal to Sephiroth in 2010. Considering how Snake handled that match calling him anything but a clear step above that year is ignoring the data.
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#450 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 9/5/2013 12:47:35 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
The votal difference is because Cloud/Samus was a night match, Sephiroth/Snake was a day match, and Link/Mario was 24 hours.


yes I'm aware of that
just saying, the day/night difference was so much bigger back then