Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1154

#101 | abdou | Posted 9/4/2013 8:44:58 AM | message detail
the ****s at reddit are aware of this contest now and Draven's run , they will probably come and vote during the match even if no rally threads are made
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#102 | Gatarix | Posted 9/4/2013 8:46:04 AM | message detail
WhiteLens posted...
So I was wondering, are Draven rally posts now banned on Reddit or was it just that one day when he was up against Link?

My understanding is that the Reddit rally threads were deleted because there was an offsite conspiracy (on board 8) to mass upvote/downvote them, which is against Reddit rules. Someone must have reported the board 8 topics to the Reddit mods, I guess.

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#103 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/4/2013 8:47:48 AM | message detail
abdou posted...
the ****s at reddit are aware of this contest now and Draven's run , they will probably come and vote during the match even if no rally threads are made


Without rallies, the users that actually care about this contest won't be significant enough. Sure draven would still pull in decent numbers but without any rallies, he doens't make the finals and probably loses next round
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#104 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 8:48:03 AM | message detail
It still annoys me to no end that Draven rally is allowed but any other rally in /r/Nintendo or whatever is deleted ASAP
I can understand each site having it's own rules and things,but the same damn site having a different rules for each subreddit and giving Draven a fair unfair advantage? this is ugly
#105 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/4/2013 8:49:36 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
...???????
Unless you think Snake is Nintendo because he was in Brawl...no way Cloud is stronger than Snake


Oh yeah I forgot about Snake. LOL. Impossible to separate them 1v1. No doubt Snake would win in 3 or 4 ways due to anti votes.
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#106 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/4/2013 8:51:02 AM | message detail
They can create a stealth rally. For example something like this
<Hey it would be cool if Draven won the match on Gamefaqs!Draven is a cool guy!>
That way it can't be deleted because it hasn't a link to another site.
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#107 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/4/2013 8:51:12 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
It still annoys me to no end that Draven rally is allowed but any other rally in /r/Nintendo or whatever is deleted ASAP
I can understand each site having it's own rules and things,but the same damn site having a different rules for each subreddit and giving Draven a fair unfair advantage? this is ugly


r/Nintendo is taking the right approach and not caring about the polls.
#108 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/4/2013 8:52:02 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
It still annoys me to no end that Draven rally is allowed but any other rally in /r/Nintendo or whatever is deleted ASAP
I can understand each site having it's own rules and things,but the same damn site having a different rules for each subreddit and giving Draven a fair unfair advantage? this is ugly


I know it sucks. But Link will get his revenge on the Ladyboy.
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#109 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/4/2013 8:55:50 AM | message detail
Ideally, Cloud will beat Squirtle so, if Pikachu somehow beats Sora, then Pikachu can exploit Stand-Out Factor and the Pokebandwagon and beat both Cloud and Snake in one blow.

I can't believe I'm rooting for Sephiroth and Cloud to win their matches just for the possibility that they'll get crushed harder the next round.
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#110 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:13:21 AM | message detail
Scarlettail posted...
Nanis23 posted...
It still annoys me to no end that Draven rally is allowed but any other rally in /r/Nintendo or whatever is deleted ASAP
I can understand each site having it's own rules and things,but the same damn site having a different rules for each subreddit and giving Draven a fair unfair advantage? this is ugly


r/Nintendo is taking the right approach and not caring about the polls.


I don't care what is the right approach
The fact that there are different approaches in the same site is the problem
Either allow a rally or not,that's all
#111 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:16:57 AM | message detail
Gotta hand it to Kirby for keeping it as close as he has.
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#112 | elitewarrior500 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:17:25 AM | message detail
im surprised its still really close

go kirby
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#113 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 9/4/2013 9:19:30 AM | message detail | (edited)
I still think the answer is L-Block. He has the rallying potential and the joke factor necessary to beat someone like Draven. And I think GameFAQs would rather unite behind the block than behind a pokemon or a FF character. There's simply no way to hate something like L-Block. Specially when he's not the one who is killing Link this time, but rather avenging him.
#114 | swordz9 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:19:02 AM | message detail
Yeah, Sephiroth had ALL NIGHT and isn't even 1,000 votes ahead of Kirby.
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#115 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 9/4/2013 9:20:24 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Yeah, Sephiroth had ALL NIGHT and isn't even 1,000 votes ahead of Kirby.


Yep, but Kirby doesn't seem to be able to cut even during the day. He's done.
#116 | abdou | Posted 9/4/2013 9:21:29 AM | message detail
Had Kirby not get any rallies Sephiroth's lead would be well over 1000.
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#117 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:21:46 AM | message detail
Sephiroth does well any time outside the power hour. Best Kirby can hope for is to stall/shave a few votes during the ASV, if it comes at all.
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#118 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/4/2013 9:23:48 AM | message detail
Gatarix posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Snake getting 54% on Zelda means he loses to MegaKangaskhan.

read this as MegaKanzaris

Are Pokemon really getting a Mega boost? When MegaMewtwo's design was first revealed, most people on the board absolutely hated it (and it's hard to believe we're that much of an anomaly in that regard). Granted, the Mega starters look decent enough.


It's the same theory as Brawl announcements. I mean, yeah, eventually you can import your old Pokémon from earlier generations, but these Mega announcements are pretty much like announcing that the Pokémon will actually be in the game (except for Mega Blaziken, where it's already been announced that you need to get the necessary ingredients via wi-fi). At least, that's my theory.
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#119 | swordz9 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:25:39 AM | message detail
Yeah, Kirby needs more help. It would be great to see him win this match. What's the furthest he's ever gotten in a contest?
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#120 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:27:02 AM | message detail
Semi-finals
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#121 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/4/2013 9:31:19 AM | message detail
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I still think the answer is L-Block. He has the rallying potential and the joke factor necessary to beat someone like Draven. And I think GameFAQs would rather unite behind the block than behind a pokemon or a FF character. There's simply no way to hate something like L-Block. Specially when he's not the one who is killing Link this time, but rather avenging him.


Yeah, I think it would be harder to get GameFAQs united behind a Pokemon, an FF character, or Solid Snake. Not everyone is a fan of Pokemon, FF, or MGS.
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#122 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/4/2013 9:34:20 AM | message detail
Wait...people think that Snake is stronger than Cloud? Come on.
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#123 | CP724 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:35:51 AM | message detail
Wait...people think that Snake is stronger than Cloud? Come on.

he got 48% on Cloud in 2010, and has looked much stronger this year while Cloud is a bit weaker. Hes almost certainly stronger.
#124 | swordz9 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:36:06 AM | message detail
L-Block probably could unite the most people. I want nothing to do with it myself though so if the final is Draven/L-Block/whatever I'll be taking that 3rd option.
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#125 | abdou | Posted 9/4/2013 9:36:13 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
Wait...people think that Snake is stronger than Cloud? Come on.


It's very possible...3 years ago he was very very close to Cloud, with the FF7 drop that we have seen throughout this contest Snake has a very good chance at being stronger.
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#126 | KrisIsLyra | Posted 9/4/2013 9:37:36 AM | message detail
Plus Snake himself is looking very good this year. He looked like he was going to triple Alucard for a while there.
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#127 | special_sauce | Posted 9/4/2013 9:38:35 AM | message detail
Let's rally L-block
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#128 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:43:11 AM | message detail
I feel Snake has the best shot to get the internet behind us again.

Problem is we don't have anyone to play the role of Shepard
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#129 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 9/4/2013 9:44:23 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Welp. So much for Mega Man > Charizard! Brawl + Nostalgia for a screwed Mega Man + Overrated Charizard would've given even a handicapped Mega Man a win, I felt, but I don't know if Mega Man can beat Mega Charizard.


Counterpoint: Mega SFF might now be a thing for Zard. Do you think there's anybody else who can monopolize the votes of fans of the word Mega as much as MM?
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#130 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/4/2013 9:46:22 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Yeah, Kirby needs more help. It would be great to see him win this match. What's the furthest he's ever gotten in a contest?


2008 Semi-finals, and hilariously enough, he beat Sephiroth there (albeit one SFFed to oblivion by a Cloud going toe-to-toe against Snake).
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#131 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/4/2013 9:47:08 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Welp. So much for Mega Man > Charizard! Brawl + Nostalgia for a screwed Mega Man + Overrated Charizard would've given even a handicapped Mega Man a win, I felt, but I don't know if Mega Man can beat Mega Charizard.


Counterpoint: Mega SFF might now be a thing for Zard. Do you think there's anybody else who can monopolize the votes of fans of the word Mega as much as MM?


yesssss This is so a thing now.
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#132 | swordz9 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:48:43 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Welp. So much for Mega Man > Charizard! Brawl + Nostalgia for a screwed Mega Man + Overrated Charizard would've given even a handicapped Mega Man a win, I felt, but I don't know if Mega Man can beat Mega Charizard.


Counterpoint: Mega SFF might now be a thing for Zard. Do you think there's anybody else who can monopolize the votes of fans of the word Mega as much as MM?

The Megazord...if it was eligible >_>
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#133 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/4/2013 9:49:01 AM | message detail
CP724 posted...
Wait...people think that Snake is stronger than Cloud? Come on.

he got 48% on Cloud in 2010, and has looked much stronger this year while Cloud is a bit weaker. Hes almost certainly stronger.


Cloud has looked weaker and Snake has looked stronger based on what? This whole contest is unreadable pretty much. Cloud is not weaker than Snake, and never will be.
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#134 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2013 9:52:13 AM | message detail
Cloud has looked weaker and Snake has looked stronger based on what?

This contest, Cloud barely outdid Bowser against Frog last round, heck Sephiroth is currently performing worse than Sonic did against Kirby.
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#135 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/4/2013 9:54:33 AM | message detail
Cloud didn't impress against Frog, while Snake impressed against Alucard. Of course, Alucard probably dropped since his opponents, Smash-based Falcon and Old Square Rydia, both ended up having most other characters under those umbrellas looking like crap.
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#136 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/4/2013 10:02:47 AM | message detail
Everybody knows that a few of the NNers get anti-voted against fodder. Link and Cloud are two of the most heavily anti-voted NNers in these contests, yet they always manage to ramp up the intensity once they're facing strong opponents.

Considering Cloud was sapping his percentage from Lugia all round, I think it's safe to say that the Pokemon was the lightning rod for Cloud's anti-votes that match. And if it had been a 1v1 between Cloud and Frog, I have no doubt that he would have looked a lot more impressive.
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#137 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/4/2013 10:11:43 AM | message detail | (edited)
I have to say, this is Sephiroth's first 'good match' since... uhh, 2008... maybe? It may be true he's beating Kirby with less % than Sonic did but the circumstances are very different here. No one in the analysis crew picked him to win (!) but he's taking on a MGSV hyped Big Boss and Kirby who has all sorts of reasons to overperform, and just rolling through it. Sephiroth was not favoured to win this match. After 5 years of beatdowns and 'this guy has fallen off a cliff', I think we can say - Good show Seph!
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#138 | TheOceIot | Posted 9/4/2013 10:11:27 AM | message detail
1000 vote lead for Sephy
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#139 | CP724 | Posted 9/4/2013 10:19:59 AM | message detail
Everybody knows that a few of the NNers get anti-voted against fodder. Link and Cloud are two of the most heavily anti-voted NNers in these contests, yet they always manage to ramp up the intensity once they're facing strong opponents.

Considering Cloud was sapping his percentage from Lugia all round, I think it's safe to say that the Pokemon was the lightning rod for Cloud's anti-votes that match. And if it had been a 1v1 between Cloud and Frog, I have no doubt that he would have looked a lot more impressive.


Look, Cloud got about 64% on Frog, that is pretty bad no matter how you look at it considering he got 66% on Ryu in 2010, Theres a 95% chance hes dropped again, meanwhile the entire mgs crew has looked great, especially Snake who blasted alucard into outer space by outperforming Links percentage on him.
#140 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2013 10:20:19 AM | message detail
ASV can't come quick enough for Kirby, all the percent Sephiroth is gaining is at his expense while Big Boss has stayed more or less constant.
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#141 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 10:50:32 AM | message detail
Sephiroth is only a half percent away from Kirby in the USA now (and he may have already seized the lead, considering the map lags the poll). If Kirby can simply limit Seph to the tune of what some of his better night vote hours were during the ASV I'll be impressed.

Because make no mistake, this would be in excess of 55/45 right now if it weren't for the big sustained night rally.
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#142 | Qwaar | Posted 9/4/2013 10:51:38 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
ASV can't come quick enough for Kirby, all the percent Sephiroth is gaining is at his expense while Big Boss has stayed more or less constant.


Yeah, he's been cutting the last few updates. Surely Kirby can't win this now though?
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#143 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/4/2013 10:54:12 AM | message detail
CP724 posted...
Look, Cloud got about 64% on Frog, that is pretty bad no matter how you look at it considering he got 66% on Ryu in 2010, Theres a 95% chance hes dropped again, meanwhile the entire mgs crew has looked great, especially Snake who blasted alucard into outer space by outperforming Links percentage on him.


Yes, let's just compare 3-way polls directly to 2-way polls and call it even. That makes total sense.
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#144 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 10:54:51 AM | message detail
Kirby hasn't cut Sephiroth in almost an hour.

...Big Boss has been cutting Kirby.
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#145 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/4/2013 10:59:06 AM | message detail | (edited)
I guess it was the rallies that kept Kirby in the match. Kirby doing better in the night and then crashing in the day(even dropping more than Big Boss) doesn't make any sense.

And I'm not sure where this FF7 has a better day vote than night vote stuff comes from. Show me a match against a day character where they didn't do better in the night. They don't have a bad day vote of course but I'm pretty sure their night is better
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#146 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 11:00:13 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
I guess it was the rallies that kept Kirby in the match. Kirby doing better in the night and then crashing in the day(even dropping more than Big Boss) doesn't make any sense.

And I'm not sure where this FF7 has a better day vote than night vote stuff comes from. Show me a match against a day character where they didn't do better in the night. They don't have a bad day vote of course but I'm pretty sure their night is better


...are you going to exclude me using this match <_<
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#147 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/4/2013 11:01:12 AM | message detail
Yeah first time I see that nobody of the crew picked a N9 to win against 2 non N9 members. Even Link had one of the crew for him(a guest member but still).
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#148 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/4/2013 11:01:45 AM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
...are you going to exclude me using this match <_<


Yes! This match is the reason I'm bringing it up! This is weird, yo!
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#149 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/4/2013 11:04:50 AM | message detail
It's not that FFVII is better at day than night, it's that both are way better than the power hour. And the day gets many more votes than the deep night, so FFVII gains more in absolute votes during the day than the deep night when the percentages are not close. As they are not here (without rallying). If rallying just adds a constant number of votes to Kirby's vote intake, it's possible he can keep pace during the night but not during the day.
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#150 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 11:06:50 AM | message detail
Well I was talking about it all night, but I think I'm ready for the formation of my hypothesis: FF7 will have a better day vote than night vote in close matches - all other things (especially our votal level) staying equal.

Close matches mean rallies. Rallies invariably go against FF7. Assuming they start up in the night and are sustained, even though FF7's natural night trends are perhaps the best in the business, we don't get a lot of votes overnight. Therefore even if you can manage a piddly 10 net rallied votes (after backfire percentage) an update, that will have a HUGE impact on our dead zone times when we sometimes struggle to pull in 100 votes at all.

But after we hit the day, it's not enough. Rallies have to step up their game, and this one didn't. Those same 10 votes aren't enough to be the same factor on updates when we're raking in closer to 200 votes from 100. Factoring out the rallied votes, yeah, FF7 will be doing better in the night than the day. But in today's contests, that will be a rare sight indeed.
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