Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1154

#1 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/4/2013 4:15:50 AM | message detail
This is a thing now, people: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67031765

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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/4/2013 4:17:54 AM | message detail
But if Pokemon wins they might not be the scrappy underdogs anymore
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#3 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 4:23:14 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
But if Pokemon wins they might not be the scrappy underdogs anymore


Mewtwo can lose in the finals for all I care
Just stop that ugly face as soon as possible
He didn't deserve to beat Link,it was pure travesty and he doesn't deserve to win another round
#4 | ninkendo | Posted 9/4/2013 4:30:12 AM | message detail
just woke up to read the Pokemon stuff and check the Poll

Kirby's on his way back now, right?
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#5 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/4/2013 4:44:54 AM | message detail
I don't think I can support the Mewtwo rally. One, there may be a Kirby in the next round, and I can't vote against him. Two, I can win the Guru if Charizard makes the finals and the champion is someone nobody picked (also Cloud can't make the Finals, but that's practically a given right now; if Squirtle doesn't beat him, Snake certainly will). A Mewtwo vs. Snake vs. Charizard finals sucks for me!
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#6 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/4/2013 5:51:48 AM | message detail
#7 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 5:52:49 AM | message detail
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5254-01.jpg
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5254-02.jpg
Mewtwo got THOSE pictures and still won
I don't think it matters so much with rotating pictures
#8 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 5:54:00 AM | message detail
It matters for percentages! How is Snake supposed to crack 70% on Kefka and solidify his place over Link with sprites holding him back I ask you
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#9 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/4/2013 5:54:31 AM | message detail
We're going to need to do market research on our celebrity endorsements. I've just been reading my new Entertainment Weekly, and apparently had we actually managed to land a Bieber endorsement we probably would've gotten a lot of anti-votes from One Direction fans. Or something like that, I don't know.
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#10 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/4/2013 5:55:30 AM | message detail
I really hope somebody submits, like, lettuce kefka vs. Solid s*** vs. Uhh a picture of Caroline

Not sure how you'd get them all on thematically but still
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#11 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/4/2013 5:57:46 AM | message detail
I was going to do the Portal spoiler in this one, but got talked out of it in the picsmith topic. Found some really bad Christmas piece to do as my "sabotage" picture instead.

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#12 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/4/2013 6:00:17 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5254-01.jpg
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5254-02.jpg
Mewtwo got THOSE pictures and still won
I don't think it matters so much with rotating pictures


Wait, you mean you don't think Mega Mewtwo helped?

I think that Mega Mewtwo might be responsible for why Mewtwo looks so beastly this year. Really hoping that this morning's Nintendo Direct gives Charizard a mid-contest boost.
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#13 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 6:00:47 AM | message detail
Googled Lettuce Kefka
Hahaha what match he had this crap as a match picture?
#14 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:01:51 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Googled Lettuce Kefka
Hahaha what match he had this crap as a match picture?


His first two contests, actually.
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#15 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/4/2013 6:02:08 AM | message detail
Lettuce Kefka used to be the only full-body picture of Kefka, so when Ceej was in charge of picsmithing he would ONLY use Lettuce Kefka for round 1 because he was very strict about making it full-body only. This also lead to Kane being put in a TV set as he had no full body pics.
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#16 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/4/2013 6:02:23 AM | message detail
Lettuce Kefka is the greatest
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#17 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 6:03:29 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Nanis23 posted...
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5254-01.jpg
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5254-02.jpg
Mewtwo got THOSE pictures and still won
I don't think it matters so much with rotating pictures


Wait, you mean you don't think Mega Mewtwo helped?

I think that Mega Mewtwo might be responsible for why Mewtwo looks so beastly this year. Really hoping that this morning's Nintendo Direct gives Charizard a mid-contest boost.


I don't know
From what I remember it was mostly hated (not that badly,more like 55% said they hate this design)
Too busy reading old stat topics so I can't check in /vp/ what they think about Mega Charizard but personally I liked it
A Charizard XY boost is very likely and I don't underestimate it...
Mewtwo "Mega Mewtwo boost" is a little more debateable
#18 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 6:07:00 AM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
Lettuce Kefka used to be the only full-body picture of Kefka, so when Ceej was in charge of picsmithing he would ONLY use Lettuce Kefka for round 1 because he was very strict about making it full-body only. This also lead to Kane being put in a TV set as he had no full body pics.


Oh wow
I must share this masterpiece you reminded me of
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#19 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:08:08 AM | message detail
Nothing can beat Duke Milkem.
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#20 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/4/2013 6:08:39 AM | message detail
XD I dont remember that Kane picture
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#21 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:09:09 AM | message detail
Charizard's path is a lock now that he's gotten past Zelda. Skate by a sabotaged Mega Man, get blown out by Samus (even more of a lock since we know Red will be there). Gauging a boost will only be for posterity if anything.

Mewtwo will get a shot at Draven assuming Sephiroth holds on today, but you're liable to see just how more favorable Link's matchup was when that time comes. But by all means, prepare the rallies!
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#22 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/4/2013 6:10:08 AM | message detail
"LITERALLY A TV" was the "LITERALLY A HORSE" of 2002

Horses have more contest powers than TVs, apparently
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#23 | Jeal | Posted 9/4/2013 6:11:34 AM | message detail
so snake replaces big boss.. what are the percentages here?
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#24 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:11:46 AM | message detail
Shaped like a TV to turn off voters.
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#25 | creativename | Posted 9/4/2013 6:13:42 AM | message detail
I am reading the last topic and I couldn't believe people were counting out Seph just because he didn't gain much overnight.

It's unreal how bad most people misunderstand FF7's trends. Did Seph vs Missingno teach people nothing??!

Against most things not Zelda, SMB or Pokemon FF7 will tear it up during the day.
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#26 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:14:20 AM | message detail
Snake 40/Kirby 31/Sephiroth 29 is my instinct.
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#27 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/4/2013 6:16:50 AM | message detail
OK Seph. Love seeing huge gains like that.
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#28 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/4/2013 6:25:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
Charizard's path is a lock now that he's gotten past Zelda. Skate by a sabotaged Mega Man, get blown out by Samus (even more of a lock since we know Red will be there). Gauging a boost will only be for posterity if anything.

Mewtwo will get a shot at Draven assuming Sephiroth holds on today, but you're liable to see just how more favorable Link's matchup was when that time comes. But by all means, prepare the rallies!


I think it's very debateable if Link's matchup was the favorable or not
1.They already beat Link,the legendary champion of GameFAQs contests. Beating the whole contest is a secondary goal
2.Revenge votes.Revenge votes and again revenge votes. this is going to be so huge many people here don't grasp how much
Draven is now considered as the "final boss" of this contest and whoever supported Link will now support everyone that faces Draven (unless they really hate Pokemon or something)
There is also going to be some Draven support not going for him because the travesty in the last match. Unless someone is blind like Vlado,most people admit Link won this match
3.Rallying Pokemon is going to be easier than rallying Link and this time im going to make sure of it...now that Mewtwo vs Draven is really a thing and not "there is Sonic in the way"
4.EDIT (how did I forget this) Rally topics were deleted last time from the LoL subreddit
Of course a certain one stayed but it was a soft rally..who knows,maybe next time they will fight harder against the rally?

...Of course,in order for this to work Sephiroth must win this,I don't think I can rally against Kirby
#29 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:23:21 AM | message detail
Kirby cut 3, gg Sephiroth Kirby's gonna win by 8000 now.
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#30 | Jeal | Posted 9/4/2013 6:24:59 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Snake 40/Kirby 31/Sephiroth 29 is my instinct.


wow i have a hard time believing snake is 12% stronger here... i mean how many people who WOULD vote snake wouldn't vote big boss here... hrm.
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#31 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:25:19 AM | message detail
Random variance, the hallmark of all successful comebacks.
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#32 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/4/2013 6:25:55 AM | message detail
Against most things not Zelda, SMB or Pokemon FF7 will tear it up during the day.

Kirby is pretty good too, I guess we'll see over the next few hours and ASV.
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#33 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:25:57 AM | message detail
Jeal posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Snake 40/Kirby 31/Sephiroth 29 is my instinct.


wow i have a hard time believing snake is 12% stronger here... i mean how many people who WOULD vote snake wouldn't vote big boss here... hrm.


Well, for reference, Big Boss last contest got 36% (I think?) on Mario, while Snake got 48% on Cloud.
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#34 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:26:30 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Random variance, the hallmark of all successful comebacks.


KH knows what's up.
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#35 | Jeal | Posted 9/4/2013 6:31:49 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Jeal posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Snake 40/Kirby 31/Sephiroth 29 is my instinct.


wow i have a hard time believing snake is 12% stronger here... i mean how many people who WOULD vote snake wouldn't vote big boss here... hrm.


Well, for reference, Big Boss last contest got 36% (I think?) on Mario, while Snake got 48% on Cloud.


I would imagine Cloud and Snake's fan bases overlap a bit more. thus a smaller split. When has Snake gone against Mario in a fairly good stat fight?
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#36 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:34:35 AM | message detail
Snake fought Mario once back eight years ago when Snake was way weaker (and, from what we can tell now, when Mario was probably stronger). He got 43% of the vote.
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#37 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:43:08 AM | message detail
Man, this makes me remember that Snake getting 54% on Zelda was once considered a great performance.

Whereas now if Snake only got 54% on Zelda I think KH would be in tears and calling for Snake to lose to uh...Mega Blastoise.
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#38 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:45:46 AM | message detail
Snake probably doubles Zelda and still loses to Mega Blastoise
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#39 | The Mana Sword | Posted 9/4/2013 6:46:54 AM | message detail
You know, for whatever reason I'm really impressed with Sephiroth here. I was 100% convinced he was going to botch this and he hasn't.

I mean, there's 14 hours left for him to blow it, but still.
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#40 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:47:26 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Snake probably doubles Zelda and still loses to Mega Blastoise


ok fine

Snake getting 54% on Zelda means he loses to MegaKangaskhan.
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#41 | creativename | Posted 9/4/2013 6:47:44 AM | message detail
Wait wait. Pokemon is getting another hype release soon?

WHY ARE THESE POKEMON SO LUCKY!!!

Anyway, I'm astonished at how well Big Boss is holding up to the day vote. Most of Seph's gains are coming at Kirby's expense.

Also, who's stronger - Mewtwo or Kirby?

charmander6000 posted...
Against most things not Zelda, SMB or Pokemon FF7 will tear it up during the day.

Kirby is pretty good too, I guess we'll see over the next few hours and ASV.

What I mean is that due to their poor starts, FF7 never stops rising. You need a god tier ASV to stop that rise.

Thus, it will always look like FF7 tears it up during the day. This is what happened in Seph vs Misno, and why Cloud didn't slow down from his overnight vote vs Samus.

And at best Kirby will slow Seph's %age gains down here. Kirby needs a massive rally to have a shot at this.
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#42 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:47:58 AM | message detail
this makes me wonder if Kangaskhan's Baby considered a separate character
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#43 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:50:22 AM | message detail
i do hope so because i have a terrible idea and since it only takes like 5 nominations to make the bracket kangaskhan's baby would be a lock
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#44 | creativename | Posted 9/4/2013 6:52:38 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
You know, for whatever reason I'm really impressed with Sephiroth here. I was 100% convinced he was going to botch this and he hasn't.

I mean, there's 14 hours left for him to blow it, but still.

>>> Sephiroth is actually strong

>>> Stats topic is shocked

I'll freely admit I had huge doubts here too!
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#45 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/4/2013 6:53:10 AM | message detail
This is why the contest gods have sent Draven to punish us you realize.
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#46 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:54:02 AM | message detail
that's so draven
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#47 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:54:34 AM | message detail
azarath metrion zinthos
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#48 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 9/4/2013 6:55:12 AM | message detail
Yeah I found it pretty baffling earlier when people were talking about Kirby trouncing Seph with the morning vote. It's like they have never seen a VII char in a match before.

Unless you're dominating a VII char from the get go then they're going to be the favourite to win purely because of just how woeful their starts are.
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#49 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:55:24 AM | message detail
my favorite yoshi's island boss is draphael the draven
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#50 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 9/4/2013 6:56:08 AM | message detail
i hate the baltimore dravens

both of their key matches had outages

COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT
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