Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1152

#251 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 3:52:58 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
The_Djoker posted...
Kirby will win tomorrow unfortunately. Love Kirby but for the good of the contest. Seph needs to progress. Kirby/Mewtwo/Draven would be terrible. Basiclaly SFF and Draven crushing harder than Round 2. If seph was there. You'd have two legit strong characters in MEwtwo.Seph with distinct fanbases trying to take down the Troll.

That's to Draven's advantage. You want someone very strong and someone who can/will fold so all those votes go to the other character. Not two strong independent characters.

It's half the reason Link was the best chance. Shepard was clearly going to be a non-factor so he could mostly get out of the way and let Link be Link. Honestly, he held up better than I thought he would!


Link would have won if say Luigi was in the poll instead of Shepard. Though I wouldn't wish that on Luigi.

Sheaprd still got 12k votes...of those that would have been neutral. The difference between Link/Draven was 700 odd votes. If we just use Gfaqs statistics and strength of Draven/Link on Gamefaqs alone. Those Shepard votes would give Link a hugely comfortable victory by several thousands. A mid tier Nintendo character would have just bowed down and given everything to Link.

And the problem with Kirby/Mewtwo is...they aren't far off each other in terms of strength.
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#252 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2013 3:53:59 PM | message detail
I think it's more just Pokemon being joke characters with non-transitive trends than major LFF, at this point.
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#253 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 3:55:50 PM | message detail
How the hell does Bowser leech more off Sonic than friggin Mewtwo?
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#254 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 3:57:36 PM | message detail
I think Cloud and Sephiroth may do a lot better than last round. After Draven R2, this site was thrown into a frenzy. Upsets became the order of the day- the site thirsted after upsets and chaos, anything. Yesterday, the site threw everything it had at Draven, and came up short in the most demoralizing way.

Now, I think the bandwagoning and upset surges are going to fade- because the site is too demoralized to continue. And we know that none of it is going to beat Draven anyway. This is good for FFVII, which has never participated in any of the activity.
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#255 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:00:07 PM | message detail | (edited)
Cloud from a few years ago has a shot. The guy is pathetic now. The rivalry thing really put FFVII as question mark to 2nd strongest game on this site.

However I do agree he will be boosted by this draven nonsense. The problem he nad everyone has against draven is the further you go the stronger characters you face.
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#256 | xp1337 | Posted 9/3/2013 3:59:30 PM | message detail
All I'm saying is that I'm looking at this as "If you have two strong independent characters out there, they'll be splitting the 'GameFAQs' vote. That's true anywhere, but if you make it the same fanbase you can at least pray that they abandon ship on one for the greater good."

I don't actually believe they'd do this, but I can't even pretend it as well if it's two different fanbases. I don't know, I guess think of it as "not-Draven" being a collective "GameFAQs" fanbase so everything is LFF'd.

But maybe I'm wrong, that's just my gut feeling, I can be talked down by arguments/examples/stats!
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#257 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/3/2013 3:59:41 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I think Cloud and Sephiroth may do a lot better than last round. After Draven R2, this site was thrown into a frenzy. Upsets became the order of the day- the site thirsted after upsets and chaos, anything. Yesterday, the site threw everything it had at Draven, and came up short in the most demoralizing way.

Now, I think the bandwagoning and upset surges are going to fade- because the site is too demoralized to continue. And we know that none of it is going to beat Draven anyway. This is good for FFVII, which has never participated in any of the activity.


I honestly want the opposite: more chaos. Mewtwo killing Sonic is the first sign.
#258 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:01:14 PM | message detail
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How the hell does Bowser leech more off Sonic than friggin Mewtwo?

...because Sonic functions like a Nintendo character and Pokemon is almost LFF immune?

This isn't even worthy of discussion. Of course Bowser leeches more from Sonic than Mewtwo.

I mean if you want to believe Phoenix would run through Bowser though, go ahead. Good luck with that.
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#259 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2013 4:01:28 PM | message detail
I don't think the upset fever has diminished one iota - I mean, look at what's happening today. Even with all the crap I threw at Sonic, this is still just an embarrassing beating.

Cloud and Seph I think have to rely on something much more tangible - that a significant portion of Link's legions just said "screw it" and left. Which isn't that far out of left field, but I guess we'll see.
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#260 | armitage999 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:01:50 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I think Cloud and Sephiroth may do a lot better than last round. After Draven R2, this site was thrown into a frenzy. Upsets became the order of the day- the site thirsted after upsets and chaos, anything. Yesterday, the site threw everything it had at Draven, and came up short in the most demoralizing way.

Now, I think the bandwagoning and upset surges are going to fade- because the site is too demoralized to continue. And we know that none of it is going to beat Draven anyway. This is good for FFVII, which has never participated in any of the activity.


reddit and 4chan could very well be seeing this whole Draven run to the top through. Mewtwo's gonna get stomped hard in R4
#261 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:01:53 PM | message detail
you can at least pray that they abandon ship on one for the greater good."

This DOES work. As i've said. Replace Shepard with Luigi and Link wins yesterday no question.

But it has to be bewtween 2 characters with vastly different strength and SFF ability. There's no way in hell you're going to split Kirby/Mewtwo anymore than 60/40. If it Jigglypuff vs Kirby then sure.
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#262 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/3/2013 4:02:38 PM | message detail
Where are dem pics?
#263 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:03:20 PM | message detail
Today is more expected than chaotic. It's LFF plus Sonic being weak.

And yeah, there's a good chance a fair part of the Nintendo horde will stop caring.
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#264 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:04:47 PM | message detail
reddit and 4chan could very well be seeing this whole Draven run to the top through. Mewtwo's gonna get stomped hard in R4

I meant the GameFAQs bandwagoning and rallying. Not Draven. Draven is almost a lock to win the contest. I have some slight hope for L-Block > Draven in the finals (because how do you rally against a tetris piece?).
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#265 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:04:59 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
The_Djoker posted...
How the hell does Bowser leech more off Sonic than friggin Mewtwo?

...because Sonic functions like a Nintendo character and Pokemon is almost LFF immune?

This isn't even worthy of discussion. Of course Bowser leeches more from Sonic than Mewtwo.

I mean if you want to believe Phoenix would run through Bowser though, go ahead. Good luck with that.


You're underestimating Phoenix Wright here. the guy beat Vincent Valentine who got got 48% on Sonic /trollface.
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#266 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/3/2013 4:05:23 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
The_Djoker posted...
How the hell does Bowser leech more off Sonic than friggin Mewtwo?

...because Sonic functions like a Nintendo character and Pokemon is almost LFF immune?

This isn't even worthy of discussion. Of course Bowser leeches more from Sonic than Mewtwo.

I mean if you want to believe Phoenix would run through Bowser though, go ahead. Good luck with that.


Considering Phoenix ran through Vincent, it's not inplausible!

Also, Mewtwo's chances of beating Draven come down to who wins here. If it's Sephiroth, I say his chances are good. If Big Boss, chances are mediocre. If Kirby, Mewtwo's f***ed. Of course, I could see Big Boss or Kirby also standing up to Draven if he completely loses his rally strength.

Anyway, I think Big Boss has first locked up next match. I think Kirby vs Sephiroth will be close, though, and maybe Sephiroth might pull out a victory against the pink puffball like he did against Missingno. Or maybe Kirby will beat him again for a good laugh.
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#267 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:06:04 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I think Cloud and Sephiroth may do a lot better than last round. After Draven R2, this site was thrown into a frenzy. Upsets became the order of the day- the site thirsted after upsets and chaos, anything. Yesterday, the site threw everything it had at Draven, and came up short in the most demoralizing way.

Now, I think the bandwagoning and upset surges are going to fade- because the site is too demoralized to continue. And we know that none of it is going to beat Draven anyway. This is good for FFVII, which has never participated in any of the activity.

Snake has a better chance than Cloud.

Snake is not only likely stronger 1v1 than Cloud now, he's also rallyable, and has already shown huge bandwagon powers in the past. Cloud is the complete opposite of rallyable/bandwagonable.

The problem for Snake is of course the GameFAQs LFF of the 3rd character. Unless the Draven rallies really die off due to the subreddit actually enforcing it's rules, and the stuffing stops. Then Snake has a chance.

Honestly the best chance though is probably L-Block. And if he gets past Samus/Tifa (which he has a great shot at due to non-joke LFF and Tifa being strong), he's going to the finals.
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#268 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:08:17 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
reddit and 4chan could very well be seeing this whole Draven run to the top through. Mewtwo's gonna get stomped hard in R4

I meant the GameFAQs bandwagoning and rallying. Not Draven. Draven is almost a lock to win the contest. I have some slight hope for L-Block > Draven in the finals (because how do you rally against a tetris piece?).


lol because Reddit? Seriously L block joke got old. His rallies are just weak enough to beat midcarders like Auron. The LoL community don't care about who the battle is against.

And There is a chance his rallies weak every round. IF that's the case A snake or Cloud could take him down. WE saw yesterday Draven isn't all that strong and relied on site downtime to win. Even a souped up Mario would have given Draven a run for his money yesterday(though probably wouldn't win)
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#269 | xp1337 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:09:21 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
you can at least pray that they abandon ship on one for the greater good."

This DOES work. As i've said. Replace Shepard with Luigi and Link wins yesterday no question.

But it has to be bewtween 2 characters with vastly different strength and SFF ability. There's no way in hell you're going to split Kirby/Mewtwo anymore than 60/40. If it Jigglypuff vs Kirby then sure.

I know it works. I'm saying that Draven doesn't work like your usual character. It's basically GameFAQs v Everyone else. So everyone you can put together is on the "same side" and is splitting the vote we most need if you want Draven to lose.

I don't think Mewtwo/Kirby splits all that well. But I also sure don't think Mewtwo/Seph does and as far as I'm concerned that's just as bad if you want to beat Draven. For Mewtwo to rise up to beat Draven there he'd need to just somehow power Sephiroth into the ground, and I think that's less likely than Kirby just rolling over even though he really shouldn't! I don't expect either to happen, but if you made me pick the more likely one I'll take Kirby collapsing.

And honestly, as a pure intangible, I wouldn't want Seph (or Cloud) in the poll. FFVII still has the reputation of being "the guys who always win" for whatever silly reason so I wouldn't be shocked if they just antagonize more people to Draven to "upset us."
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#270 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:09:55 PM | message detail
None of the non-joke characters have any real chance. If I'm right about upset fever dying off, Cloud and Seph may impress, Cloud might even have a chance to beat Snake. But there are just not enough natural GameFAQs votes to beat Draven. Even with a weakened rally. I suspect a fair amount of it is stuffing anyway- that part where Draven was 60/40ing Link for 2 hours in the afternoon while his reddit rallies seemed to be dying seemed really off.

L-Block has the best chance, because he can take away the most rallied voters.
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#271 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:10:45 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Today is more expected than chaotic. It's LFF plus Sonic being weak.

And yeah, there's a good chance a fair part of the Nintendo horde will stop caring.

I think the large majority of the site has stopped caring.

People will vote, but IMO it will be more automaton voting than "I actually care who wins" voting. The only people who still really care are probably the Pokefreaks.

red sox 777 posted...
reddit and 4chan could very well be seeing this whole Draven run to the top through. Mewtwo's gonna get stomped hard in R4

I meant the GameFAQs bandwagoning and rallying. Not Draven. Draven is almost a lock to win the contest. I have some slight hope for L-Block > Draven in the finals (because how do you rally against a tetris piece?).

Yes I agree, L-Block is our best potential savior.

...oh god. The depths we've been reduced to.
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#272 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/3/2013 4:11:25 PM | message detail
There seems little reason to discuss Draven much. He'll win, and there's nothing anyone can do. The most popular game wins.
#273 | xp1337 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:12:11 PM | message detail
Yeah, L-Block is by far the "best chance" left but man I just don't have it in me to be that hypocritical.

It's taken this long but I'm on the Snake bandwagon!
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#274 | Zylothewolf | Posted 9/3/2013 4:13:11 PM | message detail
What about Draven/Snake/L-Block?

Lulz rally VS It's freaking Solid Snake VS Lulz rally?
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#275 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:13:16 PM | message detail
L-Block is the champion this site deserves. A joke. But a cute joke.
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#276 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:18:03 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
None of the non-joke characters have any real chance. If I'm right about upset fever dying off, Cloud and Seph may impress, Cloud might even have a chance to beat Snake.

Cloud has zero chance if Sora is there.

I think people are underestimating Pikachu though...everyone seems to assume the LFF will kill the Pokemon. I don't know about that. Sora is well off his peak strength, and I think Pikachu will SFF Blue significantly.

Also I think the Pokemon fanbase is among the broadest on the site.

But even with Pikachu there, Cloud is still the underdog to Snake IMO. I just think Snake is stronger.

But there are just not enough natural GameFAQs votes to beat Draven. Even with a weakened rally. I suspect a fair amount of it is stuffing anyway- that part where Draven was 60/40ing Link for 2 hours in the afternoon while his reddit rallies seemed to be dying seemed really off.

Yeah the time when Draven went from going even with Shepard to suddenly getting 280-300 vote updates, despite the rally topic being buried further back on the Reddit pages, makes it pretty hard to argue major stuffing wasn't going on.
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#277 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:19:14 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
L-Block is the champion this site deserves. A joke. But a cute joke.

Plus he'd be a two-time champion, and we can have "L-Block Always Wins"!

In other words...technically speaking, the "LAW" wouldn't be broken!
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#278 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:20:57 PM | message detail | (edited)
I'd vote Draven over L block. Seriously. L block isn't even a character and I'll be voting for Samus so she can get rid of him. I'm all for Draven losing but not to a Joke like L block. If it has to be a joke then Squirtle or Charizard. 2007 was great. But the joke got old now. And I'm still not convinced he wins even if he makes Final..not in a 3 way. Sure he could take down Draen 1v1 but so could a lot of characters with rallies.

And if Draven does win the Contest. we need him in a 1v1 match against Link. Hell why not just do 1v1 with the runner up and the winner? So a Snake/Draven.
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#279 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:21:16 PM | message detail
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.
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#280 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/3/2013 4:22:11 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


This is LoL you're talking about.
#281 | tgs2 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:23:34 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


reddit rallied almost 1.3k votes for Draven in a b8 poll thread.
#282 | xp1337 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:24:15 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.

On one hand, it would be absolutely amazing to see Link/Snake/L-Block just obliterate Draven in the bonus poll.

On the other, I absolutely do expect rallying in that poll. At a minimum the rally topics from the finals will be up, although if that's all Draven is running on it should be quite weak.

I'm kind of more interested in how the "Did you like the contest/should we have more?" poll goes! That one shouldn't be rallied for!
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#283 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:25:53 PM | message detail | (edited)
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


Exactly. Link to Crush Draven harder than Snake did to Tanner.

But seriously he'd still get ralllied, but I don't think it would be enough against Link on his own and the Rally for a bonus match wouldn't be as strong since Draven already won. And links rallying of his own has proven to be ridiculous too. He would get MASSIVE rallies for a bonus match. Not to mention Gamefaqs' entire userbase would be helping him.
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#284 | tennisboy213 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:24:59 PM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


reddit rallied almost 1.3k votes for Draven in a b8 poll thread.


link?
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#285 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:25:22 PM | message detail
Draven is going to need to be stuffing on all cylinders to beat Link in a 1v1 poll. He couldn't even beat Link in a 24 hour poll with Shepard taking up 13,000 votes.
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#286 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2013 4:27:23 PM | message detail
I'm pretty much expecting Pikachu to beat Sora at this point. That's more on Sora than Pikachu - I don't trust that guy.
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#287 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:27:53 PM | message detail
Also expecting Pikachu to win that match. I think the strength gap is too large for the LFF to overcome.
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#288 | xp1337 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:28:17 PM | message detail
It's really hard to believe Draven could beat Link in a bonus poll 1v1 given what we saw.

Plus, Board 8 obviously figured how to ensure Link never loses any match ever again if necessary.

it was just discovered too late
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#289 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:30:28 PM | message detail
Pikachu, you'd better win that match. You can't beat Crono and then lose to Sora. That just makes Crono's loss even more of an LFF travesty than it already is.
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#290 | im317 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:30:37 PM | message detail
am i the only one who thinks that with both in the same poll Blue finishes ahead of Pickachu?
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#291 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2013 4:33:46 PM | message detail
Also....

L-Block (2007 R6) 65462
Link (2007 R6) 58100
Draven (2013 R2) 56397
Draven (2013 R3) 54468
Link (2013 R3) 53703

And just because MWC would want to post it:

Link (2008 R7) 152763

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#292 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 9/3/2013 4:45:06 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
red sox 777 posted...
L-Block is the champion this site deserves. A joke. But a cute joke.

Plus he'd be a two-time champion, and we can have "L-Block Always Wins"!

In other words...technically speaking, the "LAW" wouldn't be broken!


It won't be broken if Draven wins either. LAW can stand for League Always Wins too.
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#293 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 4:58:14 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
tgs2 posted...
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


reddit rallied almost 1.3k votes for Draven in a b8 poll thread.


link?


I see what you did there.
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#294 | creativename | Posted 9/3/2013 4:59:22 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
tennisboy213 posted...
tgs2 posted...
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


reddit rallied almost 1.3k votes for Draven in a b8 poll thread.


link?


I see what you did there.

But seriously...what poll was that?
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#295 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 5:02:07 PM | message detail | (edited)
im317 posted...
am i the only one who thinks that with both in the same poll Blue finishes ahead of Pickachu?


Blue is crap. Barely beat Fox FFS. Red is on another tier compared to Blue and so is Pikachu
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#296 | The_Djoker | Posted 9/3/2013 5:01:21 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
The_Djoker posted...
tennisboy213 posted...
tgs2 posted...
creativename posted...
Draven gets killed in a bonus poll because who the hell is gonna rally for that.


reddit rallied almost 1.3k votes for Draven in a b8 poll thread.


link?


I see what you did there.

But seriously...what poll was that?


I think i saw it yesterday. Can't find link.
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#297 | im317 | Posted 9/3/2013 5:02:45 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
im317 posted...
am i the only one who thinks that with both in the same poll Blue finishes ahead of Pickachu?


Blue is crap. Barely beat Fox FFS. Red is on another tier compared to Blue and so is Pikachu


not denying that, just saying i think Blue>Pikachu
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#298 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/3/2013 5:03:27 PM | message detail
I never saw any rally linking to that thread, unless I missed something it was pretty definitive evidence of stuffing.
#299 | Averia | Posted 9/3/2013 5:04:26 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67143186
That's the poll with a ridiculous amount of votes
#300 | armitage999 | Posted 9/3/2013 5:05:58 PM | message detail
L-Block winning this round at least would be wonderful if people get mad about it.