Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1152

#51 | armitage999 | Posted 9/3/2013 5:12:42 AM | message detail
Why are people concerned about Mewtwo? He's going to get his teeth kicked in in R4
#52 | ffmasterjose | Posted 9/3/2013 5:12:53 AM | message detail
Janus5000 posted...
xp1337 posted...
So, how many Stats Topics was that match? The very end of 1142 to about halfway through 1151?

impressive


any match that gets professional wrestlers to rally on twitter probably merits that many, honestly


WHAT. Who was rallying, Zack Ryder?
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#53 | snoocete | Posted 9/3/2013 5:13:50 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Hell, neither would Tifa somehow getting a win, since nobody seems to hate Tifa, probably for a couple of reasons.


Tetris seems to be mostly played on handheld consoles, and Nintendo has majority market share for handhelds right? So maybe L Block would keep Samus down and Tifa advances. >_>
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#54 | Lopen | Posted 9/3/2013 5:14:01 AM | message detail
Trent Baretta.

Yes the Trent Baretta.
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#55 | snoocete | Posted 9/3/2013 5:16:30 AM | message detail
Also wow Mewtwo's doing good so far.

Any idea if he ought to perform even better if he was included in Brawl?
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#56 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/3/2013 5:41:45 AM | message detail
Is the Pokemon hate here is really that high that people prefer Draven over a Mewtwo/Squirtle as a champion?
A character with base power that is not enough to beat Chie and the only reason he beat Link was because the site died is a better champion from the most likeable character in the most popular video game franchise currently?
#57 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 9/3/2013 5:48:23 AM | message detail
People here hate a lot on pokémon for some reason.
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#58 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 9/3/2013 6:01:18 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Is the Pokemon hate here is really that high that people prefer Draven over a Mewtwo/Squirtle as a champion?
A character with base power that is not enough to beat Chie and the only reason he beat Link was because the site died is a better champion from the most likeable character in the most popular video game franchise currently?


There are just too many of them. We have like four or five Noble Nine Tier pokemon right now.
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#59 | Lopen | Posted 9/3/2013 6:06:30 AM | message detail
Most people around here love Pokemon.

But the few of us that aren't that big on it, well, given that there are like 10 elite level Poke entries their dominance becomes frankly more annoying than Link's or Draven's. At least Draven has the decency to stick to one area of a bracket and dismantle it as an isolated force-- Pokemon swarm everywhere.
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#60 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/3/2013 6:12:00 AM | message detail
How can someone not love Pokemon?There are 649 Pokemon out there.Are you telling me you don't like even 1 of them?
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#61 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 9/3/2013 6:14:38 AM | message detail
There is also more than double the number of FF entrants, most of which get into the contests literally every time and are at least midcarders, whereas at least three of the pokémon entrants only got in thanks to the broader field and rallies.

And let's be honest here, besides Mewtwo (who's beasting for some reason), all the others still were/are either in very favorable positions or just untested (or both).

So, let's say you just dislike pokémon instead.
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#62 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/3/2013 6:30:06 AM | message detail
Maybe that isn't Sonic, but it is Sanic. So him losing makes sense.
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#63 | Lopen | Posted 9/3/2013 6:36:53 AM | message detail
FF entrants are more diverse and have a much larger range of strength. Not to mention they're drawn from 12 games rather than for the most part 1 (yeah there is the rare Lucario or N but the majority, particularly the strong ones, are from RBY)

And I don't dislike all Pokemon entries as characters-- in fact I've probably voted for Pokemon in like 1/4 of their appearances so far. It just gets kinda old seeing them wreck so many matches. Our top 9 is likely going to have 3 Pokemon entries in it. Not even FF is likely to do that despite having more entrants from more games.
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#64 | raytan7585 | Posted 9/3/2013 6:36:58 AM | message detail
Mewtwo must' had summoned the barrel of doom to slow down Sonic. Now Sonic has to find a way to pass that barrel before contest time runs out.
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#65 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/3/2013 6:39:25 AM | message detail
Am I crazy for thinking tomorrow ends Kirby > Boss > Seph?

Of course it seems silly, but this contest refuses to make any sense...
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#66 | Lopen | Posted 9/3/2013 6:39:59 AM | message detail
I'm thinking Kirby > Seph > Boss but I could see that happening too
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#67 | Pram_the_Oracle | Posted 9/3/2013 6:41:06 AM | message detail
Snaic you WEAKLING!

Mah points...

Also, am I alone in liking these pics more than the Link/Shepard/Draven ones?
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#68 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/3/2013 6:55:19 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
How can someone not love Pokemon?There are 649 Pokemon out there.Are you telling me you don't like even 1 of them?


Pokemon are a species not a character, debatable if they should even be eligible for this. The 6 pokemon characters who are doing well and have made the 3rd round all owe their popularity to a childrens anime from the 90's.
Anything related solely to the games like N just bombs horribly. There's plenty of reasons to love Pokemon games and not love whats happening with these particular "characters" in the contest.
#69 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/3/2013 7:00:12 AM | message detail
I just realized it's inpossible to predict any round 3 match (in fact,Draven match was the easiest)
Seph can either win or finish 3d place
Snake is lock to first but Kefka GlaDOS debateable
Leon is lock for last place but Squirtle over cloud is not impossible
Sora first,no idea if Pojefans favor Pika or Blue more
Tifa last,Samus and L Block...well..
Red won't finish first
Charizard might flop

Im honestly considering all the following might happen-
Squirtle beat Cloud,Sora finish last,Red gets last place and Charizard finishing second
#70 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2013 7:02:01 AM | message detail
Pokemon would be a lot less annoying this year if they weren't given insanely favorable bracket placements. Mewtwo/Sonic/Bowser, Pikachu/Crono/Magus, Blue/Wolf/Fox, Vivi/Squall/Red, Charizard/MM/Zero - it's absolutely ridiculous.
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#71 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/3/2013 7:05:31 AM | message detail
I hope people rally behind Cloud instead of just picking a new joke character to try and beat Draven with. Maybe try to supplement a character that has traditionally always been #2 or #1 at times (ignoring Mario's cheating) with extra strength and rallying. It would be something else to see Cloud win again.
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#72 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2013 7:06:13 AM | message detail
Oh, and Cloud/Squirtle/Big Boss is pretty favorable too. Squirtle sticks out like a sore thumb there.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
#73 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/3/2013 7:08:55 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
Safer_777 posted...
How can someone not love Pokemon?There are 649 Pokemon out there.Are you telling me you don't like even 1 of them?


Pokemon are a species not a character, debatable if they should even be eligible for this. The 6 pokemon characters who are doing well and have made the 3rd round all owe their popularity to a childrens anime from the 90's.
Anything related solely to the games like N just bombs horribly. There's plenty of reasons to love Pokemon games and not love whats happening with these particular "characters" in the contest.


Yoshi is a species too

As for Pokemon having favorable spots-what?
I can only agree with Blue Pikachu and Charizard,but then Blue and Pikachu screw each other

Vivi Squall Red was not planned,it was actually disadvantage for Missingno and Red
Mewtwo over Vincent wasn't planned as well
#74 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 9/3/2013 7:16:08 AM | message detail
I am 50ish points off the Expert leaderboard and I'm seriously wondering if I could return there tomorrow, since I called this match correctly. If the Expert hivemind is strong enough in Sonic's favor, I could honestly see it happening. First place alone is a 54 points swing.
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#75 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2013 7:31:42 AM | message detail | (edited)
The species argument doesn't even work too well. There is only 1 legendary in a game and they can't breed so they are effectively a single entity. Starters are the closest things to legendaries, while they can breed they are not caught in the wild and besides being a starter for you or your rival they are only seen with one other trainer just so that your Pokedex can be filled.

Add in Super Smash Bros. and effectively the only Pokemon entrant you should have a problem with is Magikarp. Missingno too, but there are other reasons why it should or should not be here.
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#76 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/3/2013 7:29:15 AM | message detail
What do people think about the situation SBAllen is presenting that there were 97 votes stuffed for Guybrush and a couple of thousand for touhou characters but Draven has been clean all contest? Not a vote out of place
#77 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2013 7:34:07 AM | message detail
What do people think about the situation SBAllen is presenting that there were 97 votes stuffed for Guybrush and a couple of thousand for touhou characters but Draven has been clean all contest? Not a vote out of place

You can't punish something you do not see. If he punished Draven without proof he'd effectively would have said, Draven cheated because I do not like this result.

Considering GameFAQs' anti-vote stuffing measures anyone stuffing would likely be able to know what they are doing and would easily be able to hide it.
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#78 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2013 7:43:09 AM | message detail
Now that we have moved to 24 hour matches, most of the top 10 will not be applicable until we get enough matches for me to do a top 5.

Updated Top 10

Top 10 Least Predictable Matches
1. Draven vs. Link vs. Commander Shepard – Round 3 – 1.19%
2. Vivi vs. Mario vs. Ganondorf – Round 2 – 4.61%
3. Draven vs. Mega Man X vs. Ryu – Round 2 – 9.20%
4. Pokemon Trainer Blue vs. Nathan Drake vs. Mr. Game & Watch – Round 2 – 14.27%
5. Yuna vs. Master Chief vs. Claire Redfield – Round 1 – 15.40%
6. Tifa Lockheart vs. Dragonborn vs. Yuna – Round 2 – 19.97%
7. Kefka vs. Altair vs. Lara Croft – Round 2 – 22.13%
8. Squirtle vs. Dante vs. Zidane Tribal – Round 2 – 22.27%
9. Charizard vs. Zelda vs. Donkey Kong – Round 2 – 23.70%
10. Urdnot Wrex vs. Cecil Harvey vs. Pit – Round 1 – 23.71%
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#79 | BleedingRed | Posted 9/3/2013 7:46:05 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
What do people think about the situation SBAllen is presenting that there were 97 votes stuffed for Guybrush and a couple of thousand for touhou characters but Draven has been clean all contest? Not a vote out of place


Do you really think that Link didn't have stuffers?
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#80 | Averia | Posted 9/3/2013 7:47:14 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
lightning-02 posted...
What do people think about the situation SBAllen is presenting that there were 97 votes stuffed for Guybrush and a couple of thousand for touhou characters but Draven has been clean all contest? Not a vote out of place


Do you really think that Link didn't have stuffers?


Obviously not, all Link and Draven votes were legit.
Shepard was totally stuffing though.
#81 | Squirrelgate | Posted 9/3/2013 7:53:36 AM | message detail
Where do you even get anti-stuffing software? His posts imply he's using some sort of commercial use thing...
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#82 | ZFS | Posted 9/3/2013 8:11:10 AM | message detail
Pokemon are pretty bad, yeah. I've voted for a couple of them here and there, but I don't like any of them. Them running rampant through a contest, backed by rallies, though considerably smaller scale than Draven, just makes them worse than they are. I don't care about Pokemon in general, really don't like them in contests! But then, you have people who hate Zelda or Finl Fantasy or Mario - so there's nothing unusual happening here.
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#83 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/3/2013 8:15:57 AM | message detail
Mewtwo's earning this one, though. He dominated hard enough last match that he would've beat Vincent even without the bad pic, and he's cleanly beating Sonic here. And let's not forget he's scored the highest percentage on a character in contest history and then broke 80% on the other guy.

Here's a crazy theory: Mewtwo has gotten strong as f***.
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#84 | Averia | Posted 9/3/2013 8:18:37 AM | message detail
So is Mewtwo > Charizard now ? It would seems so but I'm not sure where that would be coming from.
I doubt it could be from Mega Mewtwo.
#85 | swordz9 | Posted 9/3/2013 8:19:17 AM | message detail
BleedingRed posted...
I hope people rally behind Cloud

This is something that definitely won't happen. He's already anti-voted enough so it's pretty unlikely you'll find anybody rallying for him.
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#86 | SubDeity | Posted 9/3/2013 8:23:31 AM | message detail
Randomly going back to the last match here, but Australia's vote breakdown looks incredibly suspicious on a province level. Based on the percentages in each province it appears to have had hundreds of votes, yet nobody voted from Northern Australia. Then, all the other provinces adhered extremely closely to a roughly 55-35-10 split. But then, randomly, Queensland had hundreds of votes and essentially no Draven support. He gets .41%...that seems like an incredibly implausible vote % when compared to the rest of the country.
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#87 | WellThoughtName | Posted 9/3/2013 8:24:44 AM | message detail
Averia posted...
So is Mewtwo > Charizard now ? It would seems so but I'm not sure where that would be coming from.
I doubt it could be from Mega Mewtwo.


He had a movie in which he was a freaking badass.
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#88 | Pram_the_Oracle | Posted 9/3/2013 8:25:29 AM | message detail
The movie came out already?
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#89 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/3/2013 8:28:51 AM | message detail
Pram_the_Oracle posted...
The movie came out already?


Maybe they're referring to Pokémon: The First Movie? (I don't know that many of the other Pokémon movies)
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#90 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2013 8:33:18 AM | message detail
Northern Australia rarely gets any votes, it's like when Nunavut in Canada fails to get any votes.

Queensland is pretty weird, but if there was stuffing then it went both to Link and Shepard?

The same thing happened in Draven/MMX/Ryu, maybe no one plays LoL in that province.
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#91 | WellThoughtName | Posted 9/3/2013 8:35:47 AM | message detail
Pram_the_Oracle posted...
The movie came out already?


I'm talking about the first movie.
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#92 | superange128 | Posted 9/3/2013 8:36:32 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Pram_the_Oracle posted...
The movie came out already?


Maybe they're referring to Pokémon: The First Movie? (I don't know that many of the other Pokémon movies)


There's a new one where he'll appear again, assuming to show off Mega Mewtwo
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#93 | SubDeity | Posted 9/3/2013 8:39:12 AM | message detail
Why would nobody play LOL in Queensland but they play it in all the other provinces? It's a big province with millions of people and several large cities. It doesn't make sense for Draven to absolutely not exist. I'm guessing it also doesn't make sense for Queensland to produce hundreds of votes.

It absolutely reeks of shenanigans, unless our location tracker for votes is just wacky.
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#94 | jtwo22 | Posted 9/3/2013 8:42:39 AM | message detail
Nice to see Mewtwo winning over Sonic. It's like Frieza beating super Goku
Didn't expect him to win by this much ,but the bigger the lead ,the better. Kinda sucks Bowser is last ,though. I wonder who will end up as the strongest Pokemon in the contest.
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#95 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/3/2013 9:02:30 AM | message detail
So...
1)That redeems Vincent right? With a good picture he would beat Phoenix too.
2)Is there an explanation why Mewtwo dominates? I thought Sonic would dominate!
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#96 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/3/2013 9:07:22 AM | message detail | (edited)
It's funny how Wylvane "rally for Mewtwo" topic was basically a joke he made but I totally believed in it and with every match that "joke post" looks more and more legit

Too bad there is not going to be any obscure character next round...it will make it impossible
#97 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/3/2013 9:22:31 AM | message detail
Why would nobody play LOL in Queensland but they play it in all the other provinces? It's a big province with millions of people and several large cities. It doesn't make sense for Draven to absolutely not exist. I'm guessing it also doesn't make sense for Queensland to produce hundreds of votes.

It absolutely reeks of shenanigans, unless our location tracker for votes is just wacky.


Location tracker sometimes screws up the province/territory you are from.

I just think it's weird that Link and Shepard stuffed so much in the same area.
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#98 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/3/2013 9:42:38 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Queensland is pretty weird, but if there was stuffing then it went both to Link and Shepard?

The same thing happened in Draven/MMX/Ryu, maybe no one plays LoL in that province.


Though, back in round 1, Draven got over 50% om Queensland.
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#99 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/3/2013 9:46:49 AM | message detail
Besides the Draven matches, this match has more votes than all of the other night matches after 12 hours. So it seems like some of the extra traffic we got is voting in today's match. We probably won't get 60000 votes today, but it should come close to that.
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#100 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/3/2013 9:56:16 AM | message detail
The ONLY real blip Pokemon has had this contest was Charizard's 50/50 with Zelda, and as Link has just demonstrated, that can very likely be attributed to LoZ's grittiness and unwillingness to lose to damn near anything. Mewtwo is cleaning Bowser's clock here and there is very little reason to presume Charizard or Blastoise wouldn't be doing the same in his place. It's unreasonable to think that "Mewtwo's boosted" and close the book there. All of Pokemon has boosted - in terms of both intrinsic strength and the Nintendo SFF ladder.
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