Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1151

#401 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/2/2013 9:35:25 PM | message detail
In the end, it's just a contest. I'm disappointed Link lost and that LoL will dominate, but there are matches in the contests for everyone. It's silly to let any part of it put you down.
#402 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/2/2013 9:36:48 PM | message detail
Sonic ****ing sucks.
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#403 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 9/2/2013 9:37:39 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman posted...
Been out all day... can I get a quick rundown on what happened in that last match? Something happened to the site for 90 mins? r/lol rallied Draven ... was that all day? What other sites rallied for whom?


A FEW HOURS PRIOR TO THE MATCH: /r/leagueoflegends begins their rally.
POWER HOUR: Draven rally already has a ton of upvotes. He's winning right out of the gate... but Link ends up standing up to him better than most expected.
OVERNIGHT: Draven takes advantage of Link's weakened overnight vote. Gets a hefty lead.
MORNING: Link starts making some of the most massive cuts in site history. The main rally thread on /r/leagueoflegends is removed. The man in green is looking poised to swing a huge comeback.
AROUND 11:30 A.M.: GameFAQs mysteriously goes down for quite some time; approximately 90 minutes. As this is happening during the peak of Link's comeback, it reeks of DDoS to many.
AROUND 1:00 P.M.: Site is back up. All holy hell breaks loose. Many begin calling for Draven's head, believing this is grounds for disqualification. Draven supporters from the rally spam outdated terms like "butthurt" and "QQ moar" as if it was their God-given duty. Others whine about the overreactions on both sides, blissfully unaware that their whining is somehow even more obnoxious than anyone else's.
2:07 P.M.: SBAllen releases an official statement: basically, that everything is likely peachy keen, though he cannot entirely rule out the possibility of a DDoS.
REMAINDER OF THE AFTERNOON: Board 8 continues to be a whirlwind of hilarity, venom and possibly real tears. The board is split: many are vehemently dissing Allen, while many others are defending him. Throughout this time, the Link and Draven rallies kind of take turns shining.
FINAL FEW HOURS: The golden stuff. SephirothG gets Trent Barretta to rally on Twitter for Link. The board looks for every possible rally source they can think of. In the final moments of desperation, the B8 regulars cry out to the likes of Robin Williams, Sally Field and Kreayshawn for help. Nirvana is achieved.
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#404 | tgs2 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:37:51 PM | message detail
If there is any consolation, r/lol is now cracking down on blatant rally threads now so Draven in theory should be weaker round 4 and the final assuming Riot doesn't bow down to everyone literally begging them to give out Draven related prizes for him winning the contest like that other reddit thread.
#405 | creativename | Posted 9/2/2013 9:39:24 PM | message detail | (edited)
At least the Hyrule Screwjob will be added to contest lore.

Allen saying the downtime didn't affect anything because people could have voted at other times. Literally having no concept of how such things work. Wow.

MegatokyoEd posted...
Sonic ****ing sucks.

In his defense, Bowser is likely killing him.

If you take this at face value Sonic struggles with Phoenix Wright.
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#406 | elitewarrior500 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:39:15 PM | message detail
i actually dont mind if sonic bowser or mewtwo won this one.. no real bias this time
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#407 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:39:21 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67148515

Can someone who is good in math calculate it? Lopen?
This is a strong case in Link favor's
Let it be known and reposted for years to come and in Allen face
#408 | creativename | Posted 9/2/2013 9:41:33 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67148515

Can someone who is good in math calculate it? Lopen?
This is a strong case in Link favor's
Let it be known and reposted for years to come and in Allen face

Allen will never care.

Leave it be.

Be happy Link put force a heroic performance, the greatest of all time, and only lost because he got cheated. That's the best you can do.
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#409 | ZFS | Posted 9/2/2013 9:43:05 PM | message detail
The only thing I found disagreeable about Allen's response was the 'they could have voted later' remark. All the momentum Link had going for him hit a complete wall when the site went down, which is a huge part of these comebacks. Taking that away from him, and letting Draven come back equipped to start over and rebuild the lead, really did cost Link the match. It's not so much about trying to favor Link over Draven but to make it a fair match in general. Why not cut out 90 minutes of Draven's night vote!
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#410 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:43:16 PM | message detail
I'm declaring Link champion for life because I say so.

Well, still got a long drive to finish, good night.
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#411 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 9:44:05 PM | message detail
Allen, I don't know if you're lurking this topic right now (<_<), but despite my personal views I'd still be much obliged if you were willing to run these in the future, warts and all.

...if they're 1v1 from at least R2 on.
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#412 | tennisboy213 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:46:49 PM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
IngmarBirdman posted...
Been out all day... can I get a quick rundown on what happened in that last match? Something happened to the site for 90 mins? r/lol rallied Draven ... was that all day? What other sites rallied for whom?


A FEW HOURS PRIOR TO THE MATCH: /r/leagueoflegends begins their rally.
POWER HOUR: Draven rally already has a ton of upvotes. He's winning right out of the gate... but Link ends up standing up to him better than most expected.
OVERNIGHT: Draven takes advantage of Link's weakened overnight vote. Gets a hefty lead.
MORNING: Link starts making some of the most massive cuts in site history. The main rally thread on /r/leagueoflegends is removed. The man in green is looking poised to swing a huge comeback.
AROUND 11:30 A.M.: GameFAQs mysteriously goes down for quite some time; approximately 90 minutes. As this is happening during the peak of Link's comeback, it reeks of DDoS to many.
AROUND 1:00 P.M.: Site is back up. All holy hell breaks loose. Many begin calling for Draven's head, believing this is grounds for disqualification. Draven supporters from the rally spam outdated terms like "butthurt" and "QQ moar" as if it was their God-given duty. Others whine about the overreactions on both sides, blissfully unaware that their whining is somehow even more obnoxious than anyone else's.
2:07 P.M.: SBAllen releases an official statement: basically, that everything is likely peachy keen, though he cannot entirely rule out the possibility of a DDoS.
REMAINDER OF THE AFTERNOON: Board 8 continues to be a whirlwind of hilarity, venom and possibly real tears. The board is split: many are vehemently dissing Allen, while many others are defending him. Throughout this time, the Link and Draven rallies kind of take turns shining.
FINAL FEW HOURS: The golden stuff. SephirothG gets Trent Barretta to rally on Twitter for Link. The board looks for every possible rally source they can think of. In the final moments of desperation, the B8 regulars cry out to the likes of Robin Williams, Sally Field and Kreayshawn for help. Nirvana is achieved.


I lol'd
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#413 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/2/2013 9:47:07 PM | message detail
By the way, the site wasn't completely down. It was slow as f*** for almost 90 minutes and there were people voting during that time, but vote totals were significantly lower during that time.
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#414 | Axl_Rose_85 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:47:16 PM | message detail
I could have sworn I picked Mewtwo to win the division but then I checked my bracket and I realized I picked Sonic to win, all that when I picked Mewtwo over Vincent without a moment's hesitation.

I don't know what I was smoking when I made by bracket.
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#415 | SuperNiceDog | Posted 9/2/2013 9:48:08 PM | message detail
Link VS Draven.VS Shepard

Contender for best Gamefaqs contest match ever now?

Agree/Disagree?

I think its top 5 for sure, probably top 3.
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#416 | tgs2 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:50:52 PM | message detail
I'd put it in the top 5, but those missing 90 minutes prevent it from being #1
#417 | tennisboy213 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:51:09 PM | message detail
SuperNiceDog posted...
Link VS Draven.VS Shepard

Contender for best Gamefaqs contest match ever now?

Agree/Disagree?

I think its top 5 for sure, probably top 3.


Hard to say at the moment, but when we look back on it 10 years from now, probably the best ever.
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#418 | backinblack167 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:52:14 PM | message detail
SuperNiceDog posted...
Link VS Draven.VS Shepard

Contender for best Gamefaqs contest match ever now?

Agree/Disagree?

I think its top 5 for sure, probably top 3.


Without the downtime, we probably would have had a ridiculously close finish and it surely would be a contender, if not the best.

The downtime kind of leaves a sour taste though.
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#419 | ArtosRC | Posted 9/2/2013 9:52:30 PM | message detail
#420 | swordz9 | Posted 9/2/2013 9:53:16 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
By the way, the site wasn't completely down. It was slow as f*** for almost 90 minutes and there were people voting during that time, but vote totals were significantly lower during that time.

It was for me. It would spend forever trying to load a page and I'd just end up with a "no data" or "the site is offline" response from Chrome.
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#421 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2013 9:55:27 PM | message detail | (edited)
It has to be a top 20 match because of the s***-storm alone.

But it's also so gross, so poorly handled that it cannot be #1. Even if Link had finished his comeback, Allen's attitude was so bad I'm not sure the biggest comeback ever could make up for it. It's a great match, but Draven won it based on, very possibly, three layers of cheating - stuffing (more for Draven than Link), a DDoS, and the lack of an extension to make up for the DDoS. One of these 3 certainly happened. If the other two did those are just nails in the coffin.

I'll also add that Link made two of the biggest comebacks of all time, maybe the two biggest.
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#422 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2013 9:54:19 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
By the way, the site wasn't completely down. It was slow as f*** for almost 90 minutes and there were people voting during that time, but vote totals were significantly lower during that time.

It was for me. It would spend forever trying to load a page and I'd just end up with a "no data" or "the site is offline" response from Chrome.

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#423 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 9/2/2013 9:56:40 PM | message detail
I can't remember the last time I was so interested in a Link match. You could say 2007, but we all knew L-Block had that s***, it was all over by the shouting. I guess '04 when he came back from his loss ot Cloud in '03. I actually found myself rooting for Link, of all the f***in' characters, and that hasn't happen in a decade.
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#424 | wakeuptogashi | Posted 9/2/2013 9:59:03 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
Sonic ****ing sucks.
#425 | MegamanX | Posted 9/2/2013 9:59:53 PM | message detail
Happy shepherd put down some serious votes
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#426 | SnoicFactor | Posted 9/2/2013 10:00:12 PM | message detail
suck sonic geez
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#427 | pjbasis | Posted 9/2/2013 10:02:03 PM | message detail
Hard to care about this match lol
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#428 | pjbasis | Posted 9/2/2013 10:02:41 PM | message detail
Noble Nine count: 5 remaining (if Sonic loses)
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#429 | Axl_Rose_85 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:03:10 PM | message detail
I've said it before I'm gonna say it again. I find Link's 50k+ votes suspicious unless every match from now on breaks atleast 80k votes.
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#430 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/2/2013 10:03:22 PM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
If there is any consolation, r/lol is now cracking down on blatant rally threads now so Draven in theory should be weaker round 4 and the final assuming Riot doesn't bow down to everyone literally begging them to give out Draven related prizes for him winning the contest like that other reddit thread.


i'll believe it when i see it. >_>;
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#431 | jacko_vdz | Posted 9/2/2013 10:04:18 PM | message detail
I feel like I called Sonic/Bowser splitting a fanbase...! Except I'm getting -54 on my expert challenge.

Anyway, good stuff Link. Even when you lose you look like an absolute MONSTER.
#432 | VeryInsane | Posted 9/2/2013 10:07:45 PM | message detail
It's a shame, up until this I was thinking Sonic actually had a pretty good contest, he seemed to retain most of his strength, and I thought he could 6th or 7th on the Noble Nine totem pole (Spot with Mega Man's debatable, but Mega Man's looked beast this contest. I'd easily take Sonic over Crono, and Sonic vs. Sephiroth would have been a battle that Sonic might win in a 24 hour match) he just ran into pokemon, which has been on roids lately.

Also makes me wonder how much Vincent would have done on Mewtwo even if he had a different picture.
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#433 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:09:48 PM | message detail
OK,here is the data
http://i.imgur.com/IWGCYry.png
(Values in red are when the site was down)

Using the 60 minutes before the downtime (and using an extra update because Draven spiked there,so let's give an advantage)
From 11:11 to 12:16,Draven got 1500 votes (23.076 per minute)
From 11:11 to 12:16,Link got 2537 votes (39.03 per minute)

Site went down after the 12:16 update,but some people still were able to submit votes
Even after it went back up,there was a weak update and we calculcate it as part of the downtime

From 12:16 to 13:51,Draven got 463 votes (5.1444 votes per minute)
From 12:16 to 13:51,Link got 938 votes (10.422 per minute)

Using the votes per minute before the downtime,and considering the downtime was 90 minutes (Allen says 85,but clearly those 5 minutes got less votes than before)
Draven - 90*23.076 = 2077
Link - 90*39.03=3513

Using the downtime data
Draven - 2077-463=1614
Link - 3513-938=2575

If the match continued like normal,we are looking for 1614 missing Draven votes during 90 minutes of downtime and 2575 missing votes from Link
This gap of 961 votes in Link favor and the final lead of 765 clearly suggests Link could win this

Adding the 3 updates post downtime are actually increasing the gap to 999 in favor of Link,so let's not go there - we already have a solid case
#434 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/2/2013 10:10:10 PM | message detail
Pokemon is just too non-transitive at this point. It's why Charizard will roll over Mega Man despite having no business to.
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#435 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 9/2/2013 10:10:45 PM | message detail
Thanks for the sum-up guys. Also reading through those stats topics. So some people on Reddit actually said "yeah we DDoS'd the site and here's how?"
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#436 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:11:48 PM | message detail
So what's y'all's plan to deal with Allen? Boycott the next contest?
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#437 | wedgeskywalker9 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:16:21 PM | message detail
I'm not buying the downtime argument here. Sure, maybe not everyone who would have voted then did, but I'm pretty sure at least 200 of them got to, which is enough to let the ruling stand.
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#438 | GloriousSweater | Posted 9/2/2013 10:16:37 PM | message detail
My "plan" is to hope that we actually get another big contest within the next 12 months, preferably a 1-on-1 Games Contest. The worst fallout from all of this would be another two-year wait between contests.
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#439 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/2/2013 10:18:50 PM | message detail
i stand by that if you dont' like his decision then the best thing you can do is simply not to help him. no pictures, no bios, no anything. let him find it elsewhere if he wants it. he'll already have help from the data provided by B8 on matches, he can figure the rest out on his own.
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#440 | WhiteLens | Posted 9/2/2013 10:21:20 PM | message detail
Dammit, I had Mewtwo earlier today, but then I was thinking, "Well, Zelda almost beat Charizard, and Sonic has to be stronger than Zelda, right?" .....nope.

Might as well keep Squirtle beating Cloud now.
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#441 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 9/2/2013 10:22:08 PM | message detail
Even if people don't like the contests anymore, I promised that I would rally Hat Kid nominations if A Hat In Time comes out before the next character battle, so I have to continue to participate.
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#442 | backinblack167 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:22:45 PM | message detail
wedgeskywalker9 posted...
I'm not buying the downtime argument here. Sure, maybe not everyone who would have voted then did, but I'm pretty sure at least 200 of them got to, which is enough to let the ruling stand.


Even if Link doesn't win, it still denies us a potentially amazing finish.
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#443 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:22:47 PM | message detail
(I like how instead of submitting hard-cold evidence against Allen and his "downtime didn't matter" like I did everyone just cry)

Where are you Lopen
#444 | GloryChaos | Posted 9/2/2013 10:25:01 PM | message detail
How is Bowser affecting Sonic more than Mewtwo?
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#445 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/2/2013 10:26:14 PM | message detail
Pokemon resists Mario SFF. saw it last year with 'zard and Bowser as well as 'zard and Mario.
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#446 | backinblack167 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:26:42 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
How is Bowser affecting Sonic more than Mewtwo?


Mario/Sonic, two classic platforming series and gaming icons probably overlap more than Bowser does with Mewtwo just because they're both Nintendo.
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#447 | Greyfeld | Posted 9/2/2013 10:26:56 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
How is Bowser affecting Sonic more than Mewtwo?


Pokemon is all but immune to Nintendo SFF/LFF.
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#448 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 9/2/2013 10:27:25 PM | message detail
I just read Allen's piece. It was well-thought-out and logically sound. He isn't screwing anyone. He was stuck with 2 options and took one, then stood up for himself. I appreciate that. I really do.

Here's my problem. Allen plainly laid out that he had two options, one of which was unfair to Draven and the other of which was unfair to Link. No win. So basically, he could legitimately decide (with entirely fair logic) to side with reddit or with his own web site. He chose reddit.

His decision wasn't unfair. But it feels like a betrayal.
#449 | VeryInsane | Posted 9/2/2013 10:27:46 PM | message detail
I think Pokemon just resists SFF in general. Pokemon fanboys are more rabid than Zelda fanboys.

Rerun the best series contest, and I think Pokemon might actually take it. Unless, well, League of Legends counts as a series.
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#450 | tgs2 | Posted 9/2/2013 10:28:51 PM | message detail
VeryInsane posted...
I think Pokemon just resists SFF in general. Pokemon fanboys are more rabid than Zelda fanboys.

Rerun the best series contest, and I think Pokemon might actually take it. Unless, well, League of Legends counts as a series.


one game isn't really a series. Need at least two games so DOTA will make that one.