Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1147

#201 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 9/2/2013 1:11:00 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Rally topic 6th place
This is supposed to be decreasing,I don't get it


Link please?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lkzob/riot_if_draven_wins_gamefaqs_character_battle/


Weird, it's not showing up in the main page for me. Maybe it's because I reported it?
#202 | LiBe____BCNOFNe | Posted 9/2/2013 1:13:15 PM | message detail
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Nanis23 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Rally topic 6th place
This is supposed to be decreasing,I don't get it


Link please?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lkzob/riot_if_draven_wins_gamefaqs_character_battle/


Weird, it's not showing up in the main page for me. Maybe it's because I reported it?



... why did you report it?

and yes when you report a topic it gets hidden for you.
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#203 | ZFS | Posted 9/2/2013 1:14:14 PM | message detail
Well, regardless, this is still the most impressive show there's ever been in a contest match, I think. Without the over the top stuff from Reddit, and likely vote stuffing, Link probably still crushes a 6,000 vote lead. Standing up to those rallies was also crazy. Draven might win, but Link too good. Don't think anyone challenges him for a good while.
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#204 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:14:30 PM | message detail
And the google thing was me thinking it meant they used it to literally get to the poll result page.

Homepage is a lot more understandable!
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#205 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 9/2/2013 1:14:39 PM | message detail
LiBe____BCNOFNe posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Nanis23 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Rally topic 6th place
This is supposed to be decreasing,I don't get it


Link please?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lkzob/riot_if_draven_wins_gamefaqs_character_battle/


Weird, it's not showing up in the main page for me. Maybe it's because I reported it?



... why did you report it?

and yes when you report a topic it gets hidden for you.


I was just reporting every single rally thread I found, to help mods find and close them. But apparently this one is not against the subreddit rules...
#206 | Ex-Kefiroth | Posted 9/2/2013 1:15:10 PM | message detail
#207 | 2Dover3D | Posted 9/2/2013 1:16:15 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Don't think anyone challenges him for a good while.


Except for whatever LoL character they decide to get in next contest
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#208 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:16:31 PM | message detail
For people that know. Is Reddit that big? I haven't even heard of this site before the first Draven rally. And now I see that over 40% of the site traffic comes from that. I mean what is that site exactly? How many users it has?
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#209 | 2Dover3D | Posted 9/2/2013 1:16:56 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
For people that know. Is Reddit that big? I haven't even heard of this site before the first Draven rally. And now I see that over 40% of the site traffic comes from that. I mean what is that site exactly? How many users it has?


http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/reddit.com
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#210 | swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2013 1:17:29 PM | message detail
2Dover3D posted...
ZFS posted...
Don't think anyone challenges him for a good while.


Except for whatever LoL character they decide to get in next contest


Link vs Lux in Round 1 next time.
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#211 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 1:18:14 PM | message detail
It's exploiting a rules loophole to keep a rally topic alive, but if the original rally had been left up Link would have never had a chance in the first place.

This will make it a bit harder to push Draven through in future rounds because this was kind of an improvised desperation move after Link started slashing through Draven like no one's business, but against the weaker competition he should be alright.
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#212 | armitage999 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:20:41 PM | message detail | (edited)
Safer_777 posted...
For people that know. Is Reddit that big? I haven't even heard of this site before the first Draven rally. And now I see that over 40% of the site traffic comes from that. I mean what is that site exactly? How many users it has?


Reddit's probably one of the top 10 websites in the world right now. Makes me wish I had come up with the idea. Islands in the South Pacific for everybody!

EDIT: 36th in the US/111th worldwide according to that handy alexa.com link. I thought it was much, much bigger than that to be honest, because that's all anyone's been talking about since the whole jailbat thing came to light. Why that didn't take the site down a few notches is beyond me.
#213 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 9/2/2013 1:19:42 PM | message detail
I don't care who wins but those numbers in the pic make me more suspect rather than less.

45% of poll traffic is via Draven rallies. Draven is pulling 60% updates. So even if he got 100% of votes from that rallied traffic, unrallied he'd only be getting doubled by roided up Link and would be 60/40'ing Shepard? I find that hard to believe after seeing his unrallied performance in R1.
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#214 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 1:20:37 PM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
I don't care who wins but those numbers in the pic make me more suspect rather than less.

45% of poll traffic is via Draven rallies. Draven is pulling 60% updates. So even if he got 100% of votes from that rallied traffic, unrallied he'd only be getting doubled by roided up Link and would be 60/40'ing Shepard? I find that hard to believe after seeing his unrallied performance in R1.


Anti-Link bandwagoning.
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#215 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:21:04 PM | message detail
There are 2 more rounds though. If Draven wins, next round it is versus Sonic and Sephiroth probably. Now all FF fans will vote for Sephiroth and the rest for Sonic. So Draven can win there even with less rallied votes.
As for the final if it is Draven-Snake-Samus, people will vote equally for Snake and Samus so he doesn't need that many rallied votes to do it.
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#216 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/2/2013 1:21:33 PM | message detail
Wasn't reddit created as a response to Digg selling out?
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#217 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/2/2013 1:21:42 PM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
I don't care who wins but those numbers in the pic make me more suspect rather than less.

45% of poll traffic is via Draven rallies. Draven is pulling 60% updates. So even if he got 100% of votes from that rallied traffic, unrallied he'd only be getting doubled by roided up Link and would be 60/40'ing Shepard? I find that hard to believe after seeing his unrallied performance in R1.


Yeah, I think a good portion, if not close to a majority, of Gamefaqs wants Link to lose. So maybe this result is actually best for the site.
#218 | ZFS | Posted 9/2/2013 1:23:31 PM | message detail
Unless Reddit just completely quits rallying, he would coast through the rest of the bracket. He only needs a fraction of this to best anyone else. Link was always the one shot at stopping him.
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#219 | raytan7585 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:23:41 PM | message detail
#220 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 1:28:10 PM | message detail | (edited)
If next round was something like, Draven/Samus/Scorpion (2002 all over again!), I'd be really high on Samus's chances because Scorpion wouldn't hold her back very much and Draven's reddit strength is neutered outside of another stealth topic cropping up, which isn't a guarantee.

But the remaining players that can go up against Draven are just too strong relative to one another. Link/Shepard/Draven was about the best setup we could have hoped for. If the stealth topic dropped off and the match was rerun, I could see Link winning comfortably...
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#221 | Scarlettail | Posted 9/2/2013 1:30:51 PM | message detail
Kind of anxious to see the next match pics. Hopefully they get up soon.
#222 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:35:02 PM | message detail
It took 16 and a half hours, but votals have finally surpassed the X/Ryu match. It just feels weird it took this long.

Anyway, Link's a real monster. He had everything going against him, and he's still ahead of Jak in the x-stats. And even if he drops, he'll still be above Chie no matter what.
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#223 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 9/2/2013 1:40:43 PM | message detail | (edited)
Just goes to show if Link got round 2 Draven in this match, he'd have no hope from the get go.

Not that he had much hope in this match. Looks like he just got a miraculous 3-4 hours with minimal rallying. Once that was up it was back to business as usual
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#224 | ZFS | Posted 9/2/2013 1:40:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, Link's a beast. Didn't think he was getting enough credit before the match, but it's nice to see him holding up to even the questionable rally. Shame that Reddit got that desperate, though. Link making the comeback would have been the best ever.
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#225 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:43:07 PM | message detail
Oh, and props to Shepard for keeping it constantly around 12% for the duration of the match. Pretty solid. Refused to completely give in to the rallies, and went up in percentage alongside Link's rampage.
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#226 | armitage999 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:44:45 PM | message detail | (edited)
Dang Link, you suck.

Well, not really. Kind of lame the downtime won't change anything. We'd have a 22 hour poll instead of a 24 hour poll, and if Allen says it's not a problem at all, then it is what it is.

Is it safe to call this contest right now?
#227 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 1:44:02 PM | message detail
Yeah this doesn't say anything about Link's strength, he's hypercharged right now (and still can't really stand up to the actual rallies, if you've noticed). This isn't the guy who struggled to put up 60% on Raiden and SFFed Yoshi.
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#228 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 1:44:59 PM | message detail
Although Link *might* have been able to do this if - all together now - this was 1v1.

Multiway contests are just inferior. Always have been, always will be.
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#229 | kinsho3 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:45:50 PM | message detail
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Dang Link, you suck.

Well, not really. Kind of lame the downtime won't change anything. We'd have a 22 hour poll instead of a 24 hour poll, and if Allen says it's not a problem at all, then it is what it is.

Is it safe to call this contest right now?


It's safe now to call this contest, grasshopper.
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#230 | SnowZangoose | Posted 9/2/2013 1:45:55 PM | message detail
So, legit question here.

http://i.imgur.com/wUulr26.png
Apparently some 40% of the poll's pageviews come from reddit. But the reddit rallies have been getting deleted consistently by the mods for a while now. The LoL official forum rally only represents 5% of the pageviews.

So what's going on? How is Draven beasting, with traffic coming from reddit, without a rally topic up at all? I'm not pro-Link or saying there's stuffing, I'm just interested in knowing how it's possible.
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#231 | RRtexasranger13 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:46:39 PM | message detail
I'm not really liking the precedent all of this sets...Soon (if SBAllen decides to do this again) people from places like Reddit are going to vote stuff to get a completely irrelevant character to win.

I mean, what's the point of a character contest if there's just a big outside group collectively deciding who wins in order to troll people? And what's the point if it's just a vote stuffing contest?

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying: "Link always won, so what's the point?" Yeah, he did like always win, but as least we knew his wins were legitimate...
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#232 | ZFS | Posted 9/2/2013 1:47:34 PM | message detail
Well, that's a given, but that was always going to be the case. I mentioned right after the MMX match that the Link we saw today would crush the Link in round 2. It's the same way with Shepard - he's way above his normal level here, too. Still, after so many people were putting him in the mid-20s and him erasing 3,000 votes off the lead, that's just beastly! Obviously, this isn't the new Link going forward, but I still wouldn't take anyone over him. And if he had won here, he'd probably cruise to another win.
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#233 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:48:27 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Although Link *might* have been able to do this if - all together now - this was 1v1.

Multiway contests are just inferior. Always have been, always will be.

I will, however, take credit for being on this bandwagon from day 1!

i'm even petty enough to ignore non-1v1 contests in my sig >_>
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#234 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 9/2/2013 1:48:47 PM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Wait, LoL is going down now? Just as a rally on the official LoL forums is taking off?

I honestly believe this is simply the worst set of coincidences we've seen. Poor Bacon, nobody's going to believe him, even though he's likely right.


Again? That happened last time, too!

It's clear by now that Riot is interfering.
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#235 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:49:26 PM | message detail
Looks like I missed some interesting stuff after the site crashed.

Honestly the results aren't believable, Link was cutting Draven with the original rally topic and now Draven is easily gaining. Unless there is another rally somewhere else it just doesn't seem right.
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#236 | tgs2 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:50:17 PM | message detail
It's really a testament to LoL's popularity in Europe when almost every single eastern European country has Draven effectively 85-15ing Link. That might be the reason why Draven is pulling away right now.

Wouldn't be surprised if Link manages a couple of stalls and cuts in the SNV when Europe goes back to sleep.
#237 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/2/2013 1:50:25 PM | message detail
SnowZangoose posted...
So, legit question here.

http://i.imgur.com/wUulr26.png
Apparently some 40% of the poll's pageviews come from reddit. But the reddit rallies have been getting deleted consistently by the mods for a while now. The LoL official forum rally only represents 5% of the pageviews.

So what's going on? How is Draven beasting, with traffic coming from reddit, without a rally topic up at all? I'm not pro-Link or saying there's stuffing, I'm just interested in knowing how it's possible.


The #7 topic on the LoL reddit is basically a rally topic in everything but name.
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#238 | Dark Silvergun | Posted 9/2/2013 1:51:30 PM | message detail
Draven +5,175
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#239 | kinsho3 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:51:32 PM | message detail
RRtexasranger13 posted...
I mean, what's the point of a character contest if there's just a big outside group collectively deciding who wins in order to troll people? And what's the point if it's just a vote stuffing contest?


No point, unfortunately. Gone are the days where the major battles in this contest were decided by us.
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#240 | tennisboy213 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:51:56 PM | message detail
SnowZangoose posted...
So, legit question here.

http://i.imgur.com/wUulr26.png
Apparently some 40% of the poll's pageviews come from reddit. But the reddit rallies have been getting deleted consistently by the mods for a while now. The LoL official forum rally only represents 5% of the pageviews.

So what's going on? How is Draven beasting, with traffic coming from reddit, without a rally topic up at all? I'm not pro-Link or saying there's stuffing, I'm just interested in knowing how it's possible.


There's a "stealth" rally topic here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lkzob/riot_if_draven_wins_gamefaqs_character_battle/
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#241 | SnowZangoose | Posted 9/2/2013 1:53:51 PM | message detail
Ah, I see. That is actually really clever of them. Kudos.
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#242 | SubDeity | Posted 9/2/2013 1:54:04 PM | message detail
Soon (if SBAllen decides to do this again) people from places like Reddit are going to vote stuff to get a completely irrelevant character to win.

Why would they do that?

Seriously, people aren't thinking rationally about all of this. Reddit won't produce a huge rally for somebody that nobody cares about from a random game, unless there's a bizarre trigger to it (being Reddit, it'd probably be something rape-related that allows the fedora-wearers to white knight).

This happened because there was a strong confluence of 1. An extremely popular game having a huge presence on a single site, 2. Said site being extremely conducive to rallying tactics, and 3. Votals being low enough that a half-decent rally could just completely take over.
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#243 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:56:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, we've tried getting rallies for other characters, literally only LoL cares enough.

Heck they care more than GameFAQs
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#244 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:56:27 PM | message detail
So if I'm doing my math right, going off this current result, Link breaks 72% on X before SFF

Total beast
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#245 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2013 1:56:36 PM | message detail
The funniest thing about that thread is that it nominally violates that subreddit's rules anyway, begging for free/discounted Draven and all.
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#246 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 9/2/2013 1:57:52 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
The funniest thing about that thread is that it nominally violates that subreddit's rules anyway, begging for free/discounted Draven and all.

Can't we report it with that explanation then?
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#247 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:00:44 PM | message detail | (edited)
Votes per update graph
http://i.imgur.com/fKWthEH.png
(or http://i.imgur.com/kEynSfB.png for left-to-right)
Red line indicate last update before site went down,followed by updates after site went back up (updates during downtime not included)
Link was in a crazy momentum there,and spiked after the site returned,but then started losing strength with Draven getting so strong out of nowhere

Might not be the most detaild graph because I suck at excel and math and english and whatever but hopefully it will encourage other people to create better graphes for this..match
#248 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:01:43 PM | message detail
70 vote cut?
What?
#249 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:01:57 PM | message detail
MASSIVE LINK SPIKE
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#250 | SubDeity | Posted 9/2/2013 2:02:07 PM | message detail
...reversal?
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